Who will win? Batman vs. Superman vs ?

[Fatpanda]

Which Batman movie do you like the most? People rave about The Dark Knight, which was great, but I like Batman Begins a lot more, cause it focused on the character a lot more than TDK, where he didn't have the same amount of screen time.

I think both of those are far superior to Tim Burton's Batman, cause Michael Keaton just wasn't physically impressive enough.

batman begins for me too.

too many batman movies have focused on villians, and not enough on the true batman character. although dark knight's joker was perfect.

i want to see more about why he is the way he is - mentality, drive, fighting ability, intellect, etc bb did exactly that. imo

 What evidence do you have that Hulk has infinite strength? In the 2004 movie he was getting tossed around by tank cannons and things like that. If he had infinite strength, the tanks' weapons wouldn't move him back even an inch when they hit him. And your remark here doesn't even make any sense. You cannot have infinite strength because the very concept of infinite is abstract. Infinite means without limits, and there are limits to everything. Hulk is a being made of matter and energy, so the laws of physics apply to him. He is not a god. Could Hulk move around all the mass in the Universe? Someone with infinite strength could do it. And FYI, Superman can punch through a planet and some versions of him have him tossing around galaxies. Hulk has never shown to be even remotely this powerful.

  Superman is ridiculously powerful and Hulk is just strong. Superman >>>>. Hulk

  Yeah, Superman laughs at nukes whilst Hulk gets tossed around by tank cannons. You don't need healing when you are this tough. Could Hulk survive let alone heal from a 20 megaton nuke?

SUCKMYMUSCLE

what do you mean what evidence   ever read a hulk comic.

it is without question, his strength has no limits, it rises with his anger, as does his healing ability.

the movies are nonsense when it comes to true portrayal of powers. look at superman returns.  

the first we have truly seen hulk at anywhere near full rage was in wwh - where he basically took on the entire marvel line and beat them all, including the sentry, silver surfer, and black bolt. the only other with a slight chance was thor. who conveniently was dead at the time - lucky for him.

yes once a long time ago in a galaxy far far away he got so mad he reverted back to banner ( pussy writing imo), but it doesn't matter as it was an old story, like most characters he has evolved. superman couldn't fly at one point, he struggled to bend the barrel of guns etc - should we go there too ?  

the fact is for years the fans of hulk have seen where his powers are going, even if it was a standard thing him changing back when he got too angry ( which has happened once a long time ago) perhaps planet hulk made him stronger at his base level, and he learned to channel his anger better ( there is a scene in planet hulk when the warbound are heading to earth hulk is seen meditating and focussing his rage, i don't know for sure, but what i do know is hulk beat everyone with ease when sufficiently pissed during that arc.

do you really believe superman could beat everyone in dc ? i doubt it.

regarding moving planets, hulk held a planet together in ph, while severely weakened.

hulk also cannot fly or I'm sure moving planets would be fairly straight forward for a guy with no strength limit.

nuclear bombs ? make hulk stronger chief ! you should read more about him before you pass judgement.

as i said doomsday has a strength limit, and no healing factor. hulk has infinite both.

if supes died at the hands of doomsday, hulk would kill him and still be smashing twinks after.

[Fatpanda]

 Kiwi, let's end this debatr right here, ok? Let's break down both heroes:

  - The Hulk is ape-shit strong and has a limited ability to heal from damage to his body - not even close to unlimited.

  - Superman is much, much stronger and has heat vision, and can move close to light speed and is so tough that multi-megaton nukes don't even burn his cape.

  In the weak version of Superman he can punch through a planet. In some version, he can toss galaxies around. Imagine the strength to move the mass of billions of stars and all the planets that orbit them.

  But let's assume that the version of Superman where he moves galaxies is overwanked and not canon. It doesen't matter, because the weak version of Superman is so much stronger that it's like comparing a gorilla to a Human toddler.

  Superman lifted an entire continent into space and then threw it out of Earth's orbit like Pete Sampras hitting a serve in the "Superman Returns" film. Apparently, the continent had the size and mass of Australia.

  The Hulk gets clearly strained from lifting a 70 ton Sherman tank and throwing it a mile away. Lol, what a ridiculous mismatch.

  The evidence of the Hulk's strength is that he can lift and throw a few miles away objects weighting less than 100 tons. His punches can also destroy an avenue. Lol, big fucking deal! Superman lifts objects(a continent) with literrally quadrillions if not quintillions of times the mass of the objects the Hulk lifts and he does not throw them a few miles away, but throws them with such strength that the object in question escapes Earth's gravitational pull. Imagine the strength you need to throw it to make a continent with the mass of Australia escape Earth's graviational pull. It is fucking nuts!!!

  - Superman's punch goes through a planet; the Hulk's punch barely destroys the armor of a tank and destroys a medium avenue.

  - Superman lifts an object with the mass of Australia and throws it with such strength that it escapes Earth's gravitational pull; the Hulk lifts an object weighting less than 100 tons and throws it a mile away.

  - Superman takes a 20 megaton nuke and it doesen't even burn his cape; the Hulk is tossed back and thrown around by tank canon's fire.

  - Superman takes minutes to exit the solar system meaning that he moves close to C; Hulk runs at a speed that is far inferior to commercial airplanes and even far surpassed by many earth vehicles.

  What a ridiculous mismatch.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

should the hulk be impressed with that weak shit ?

heat vision useless ( hulk adapts), strength useless ( hulk gets stronger) stamina useless ( again hulk's muscles do not get tired), injury - again hulk heals faster.

he has healed from a broken neck, being half eaten alive, etc etc

superman couldn't beat doomsday at the first attempt before it/he adapted, in fact he died trying, if he somehow even beat hulk/killed hulk and did or did not die himself, 2 mins later hulk would regenerate and go at it again stronger again, with a faster healing speed. while superman ( if still alive) would be grasping for beams of sunlight like an asthmatic grasps for his inhaler. untill hulk rips him in two like he did with wolverines unbreakable adamantium spine 

lets be real here regarding the god like claims - how did superman move galaxies ? did he grow super big hands ? is this a new power ? hahahaha fantasy pure fantasy !

[chaos]

Nerds

[Fatpanda]

from an interview with wwh writer greg pak:

http://www.brokenfrontier.com/columns/details.php?id=792



AGdAV: Second, in the last moments, when Hulk released his real fury, causing massive destruction and blowing energy from his body, who could stop it? I meant, what heroes could stop it? Superman, maybe?

Greg Pak: With all due respect to the Distinguished Competition, I don't think even Superman would stand a chance. In the end, only the Hulk himself could provide the opening that Iron Man needed to end the madness.


Some days ago:


http://www.brokenfrontier.com/columns/details.php?id=782

MZ: Since Thor has the Odinforce and is more powerful than his father, is he stronger than the Green Scar?

GP: All I can say is that if I were Thor, I wouldn’t have wanted to be in the Sentry’s place during the climactic battle in “World War Hulk” #5

says it all really.

hulk is the strongest one there is.

regarding thor   this blonde haired pussy has been ducking and diving the hulk for years.

he needs to stop running.

[DK II]

 Yes, he could. But the problems that arise are significant. You are assuming that Superman wouldn't know beforehand that Batman is building such bomb and stop him before he builds it, and then detonating such a bomb would create significant risk for people, and Batman wouldn't endanger other people. All the plans that anyone could come up with to defeat Superman involve kryptonite in some way and Superman has developed several strategies to deal with people wanting to destroy him with kryptonite. If Superman gets even the slightest hint that Batman is trying to use kryptonite in some way against him, he will just throw a basketball sized rock at over half the speed of light at Batman from miles away and that's it.

SUCKMYMUSLE

You're still arguing with reason, this is a fictional story.

So i have batman invent a super-drug before that makes him focus and stronger, but it kills his empathy towards people, which he isn't aware of... 

[DK II]

Which Batman movie do you like the most? People rave about The Dark Knight, which was great, but I like Batman Begins a lot more, cause it focused on the character a lot more than TDK, where he didn't have the same amount of screen time.

I think both of those are far superior to Tim Burton's Batman, cause Michael Keaton just wasn't physically impressive enough.

Same here, Batman begins was a lot better than Dark Knight, which was all hyped just because the f@ggot Junkie overdosed.

Keaton's Batman sucked big time.

[kiwiol]

Same here, Batman begins was a lot better than Dark Knight, which was all hyped just because the f@ggot Junkie overdosed.

Keaton's Batman sucked big time.

 

[suckmymuscle]

  I am still waiting for Fatpanda to provide any evidence that Hulk has "infinite" strength and regenerative abilities. A being with infinite strength is infinitely stronger than what is required to move all of the mass of the Universe(billions of galaxies). I am going with what I have seen Hulk doing in canon. That is, being able to throw a military tank a few miles away and throwing punches that have difficulty smashing the armor of a tank. As for regenerative abilities, the tanks' cannons seemed to mangle Hulk pretty badly: he took damage and seemed to have difficulty to fully heal from them. Until we see the Hulk doing things like throwing planets around as if they were basketballs and taking high-megaton nukes without any damage whatsoever, I am going with Superman winning the fight.

SUCKMYMUSLE

[clued-up]

Nerds

x2

[LatsMcGee]

If you were a fat fuck you would like Hulk better than Batman.

[Fatpanda]

 I am still waiting for Fatpanda to provide any evidence that Hulk has "infinite" strength and regenerative abilities. A being with infinite strength is infinitely stronger than what is required to move all of the mass of the Universe(billions of galaxies). I am going with what I have seen Hulk doing in canon. That is, being able to throw a military tank a few miles away and throwing punches that have difficulty smashing the armor of a tank. As for regenerative abilities, the tanks' cannons seemed to mangle Hulk pretty badly: he took damage and seemed to have difficulty to fully heal from them. Until we see the Hulk doing things like throwing planets around as if they were basketballs and taking high-megaton nukes without any damage whatsoever, I am going with Superman winning the fight.

SUCKMYMUSLE

your hulk canon seems to be based around the movies and old tv series  

hulk has punched an asteroid twice the size of earth to pieces, he has held together a planet falling apart, he has healed from a broken neck, a half eaten body, his mere footsteps were destroying the earth at the end of wwh.

now back to supertights - please explain ( you ignored this before) how superman managed to move galaxies using pure strength ? did he grow giant hands ?

i've seen him move the moon once using flight

now you want proof hulk his limitless strength - from the pages of marvel itself:

The Hulk possesses an incredible level of superhuman physical ability. His capacity for physical strength is potentially limitless due to the fact that the Hulk's strength increases proportionally with his level of great emotional stress, anger in particular.
The Hulk uses his superhumanly strong leg muscles to leap great distances. The Hulk has been known to cover hundreds of miles in a single bound and once leaped almost into orbit around the Earth. The Hulk can also use his superhumanly leg muscles to run at super speeds, although his legs have limitless strength he does not have limitless speed and once he reaches a certain speed his legs are too strong and destroy the ground giving him no friction to run on, therefore he jumps to travel.

more from wiki ( all referenced ):

After probing, the entity Beyonder once claimed that the Hulk's potential strength had "  no finite element inside. His durability, regeneration, and endurance also increase in proportion to his temper. The Hulk is resistant to most forms of injury or damage. The extent varies between interpretations, but   he has withstood the equivalent of core solar temperatures,[44] nuclear explosions,[45] and planet-splitting impacts.[46] He has been shown to have both regenerative and adaptive healing abilities, including growing tissues to allow him to breathe underwater,[47] surviving unprotected in space for extended periods,[48][49] and when injured, healing from most wounds within seconds.[50]
His powerful legs allow him to leap into lower Earth orbit or across continents,[51] and he has displayed sufficient superhuman speed to match Thor,[52] or the Sentry.[53] He also has less commonly described powers, including abilities allowing him to "home in" to his place of origin in New Mexico,[54] resist psychic control,[55] grow stronger from radiation[56] or dark magic,[57] and to see and interact with astral forms.[58]

hulk smash puny suckmymuscle !

[DK II]

your hulk canon seems to be based around the movies and old tv series 

hulk has punched an asteroid twice the size of earth to pieces, he has held together a planet falling apart, he has healed from a broken neck, a half eaten body, his mere footsteps were destroying the earth at the end of wwh.

now back to supertights - please explain ( you ignored this before) how superman managed to move galaxies using pure strength ? did he grow giant hands ?

i've seen him move the moon once using flight

now you want proof hulk his limitless strength - from the pages of marvel itself:

The Hulk possesses an incredible level of superhuman physical ability. His capacity for physical strength is potentially limitless due to the fact that the Hulk's strength increases proportionally with his level of great emotional stress, anger in particular.
The Hulk uses his superhumanly strong leg muscles to leap great distances. The Hulk has been known to cover hundreds of miles in a single bound and once leaped almost into orbit around the Earth. The Hulk can also use his superhumanly leg muscles to run at super speeds, although his legs have limitless strength he does not have limitless speed and once he reaches a certain speed his legs are too strong and destroy the ground giving him no friction to run on, therefore he jumps to travel.

But you know that Superman can fly and breathe in space and shit?

Sorryu to break it to you, but SMM is right, Superman is way stronger than the Hulk.

[Fatpanda]

But you know that Superman can fly and breathe in space and shit?

Sorryu to break it to you, but SMM is right, Superman is way stronger than the Hulk.

superman cannot breath is space.

please leave this debate for those that know what they are talking about.

he holds his breath in space as the hulk can also do.

[Man of Steel]

 But Batman has never been shown to have any super powers or gadgets  that could take Superman to a red sun, or to involve the planet with kryptonite radiation or something like that.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Oh, but Batman does.  The tech is from Apocalypse and is called the Mother Box that opens "boom tubes" (wormholes) to allow travel both through time and space.  Darkseid's former head of security (Big Barda) who is now a convert from evil to good and works to support the Justice League has provided use of her mother box.  Also, the JL has had their own mother box at other times as well via the New Gods.   The impossibility of turning the sun red.....sorry, but Luthor has already used tech to turn the earth's yellow sun to red to make Superman mortal.  Occurred at the end of the War of Worlds series (around 2003) when Luthor and Zod attempted to destroy Superman.   Batman is easily Luthor's rival in terms of brilliance (I'd give Luthor the edge), but Batman uses his brilliance for good while Luthor uses his brilliance for evil and power.  

[Man of Steel]

lex luthor has beaten superman on numerous occasions.

when everyone is at their best with no handicaps

hulk is the strongest one there is.

Tony Stark has beaten Hulk.
The Thing has beaten Hulk.
Namor has beaten Hulk.
Hulk has beaten Tony Stark
Hulk has beaten The Thing.
Hulk has beaten Namor.

This can go on and on.  

We also talk about infinite strength in Hulk because the madder Hulk gets the stronger Hulk gets.  The point everyone glosses over is that Hulk's rage isn't infinite.  Betty Ross has been able to contain the Savage Hulk's rage at its peak.   It is true that the madder Hulk gets the stronger he gets, but the idea his strength is infinite is contingent on his rage being infinite.  Hulk's rage has been shown to be able to be contained with the right emotional trigger.

[Man of Steel]

x2 the strongest one there is.

the only one who would give him a true fight is superman.

however, given doomsday killed superman, and unlike hulk, has a strength limit and no advanced healing factor that also increases in step with his rage, like his strength.

hulk would also kill superman if it came down to it.

When Superman has plunged himself into the heart of yellow Sun his power was immeasurable.  Superman most definitely has an advanced healing factor.  Every facet of his anatomy is superpowered because of yellow sun exposure. 

Yes, Superman would kill and has killed when it came down to it.  He has killed Doomsday, Imperiex, the three kryptonian villians and the remaining spirit of Darkseid.

[Man of Steel]

and yet doomsday killed him with a few punches 

AHAAHAHAHAHAH!!!!  "a few punches"

[Man of Steel]

superman cannot breath is space.

please leave this debate for those that know what they are talking about.

he holds his breath in space as the hulk can also do.

Actually before venturing into space Superman breathes in enough to fully saturate his blood with oxygen so neither has to breathe nor hold his breath.  Eventually he will have to go breathe oxygen again though LOL!

[Man of Steel]

So who is stronger?  Hulk or Superman?  It's very hard to say IMHO?  If Superman unleashed his own rage he'd destroy every hero and villian on Earth.  The Hulk has already taken on and beaten down the Marvel Universe after World War Hulk.  Both Hulk and Superman have taken on cosmic entities and won (and lost).  The only thing I can say is that Superman has clearly beaten Hulk in the Marvel v DC crossover.  He's also taken down Hulk in seperate Superman v Hulk special issue.  Still you can go back to my list of battles (which isn't exhaustive by any means) and see that wins and losses run the gamut.    Superman's power is contingent on yellow sun and he is essentially a solar battery so he will weaken in time if denied yellow sun (we saw this when he was banished from Earth and faced Mongul on Warworld).  Hulk's power is contingent on rage which isn't infinite (with right emotional trigger - like Betty Ross - his rage can be contained).  Now the pre-powered down Superman would easily take down the Hulk, but that's why Superman was powered down because his power level was ridiculous.

[Fatpanda]

When Superman has plunged himself into the heart of yellow Sun his power was immeasurable.  Superman most definitely has an advanced healing factor.  Every facet of his anatomy is superpowered because of yellow sun exposure. 

Yes, Superman would kill and has killed when it came down to it.  He has killed Doomsday, Imperiex, the three kryptonian villians and the remaining spirit of Darkseid.

you cannot seriously think that superman is stronger than the hulk ? his anger has no limit - check out the end of wwh he was about to destroy the planet with his rage after beating everyone in marvel ( including sentry - the marvel superman).

as i said hulk survived core of the sun temps, and regenerated from death itself.

at base there is no doubt superman is stronger, but if for instance superman killed betty or caiera, or his child  

its hammer time !

i also dont class the marvel/dc crossovers as real in any sense.

[Man of Steel]

you cannot seriously think that superman is stronger than the hulk ? his anger has no limit - check out the end of wwh he was about to destroy the planet with his rage after beating everyone in marvel ( including sentry - the marvel superman).

as i said hulk survived core of the sun temps, and regenerated from death itself.

at base there is no doubt superman is stronger, but if for instance superman killed betty or caiera, or his child 

its hammer time !

i also dont class the marvel/dc crossovers as real in any sense.

I address some of this in other posts above.  I look forward to any other replies.  I certainly don't know everything LOL and like reading other opinions and sources of info I haven't read.

[Fatpanda]

what emotional trigger ? hulk is over that dumb bitch betty.

his queen was caiera the oldstrong !

regardless - although i havn't spoken about it - superman has 1 big weakness - kryptonite  

wwh was both smart ( not banner smart, but clearly a strategist and very cunning) and immeasurably strong. i have no doubt wwh would somehow get kryptonite if/should he eventually need it ( which he wouldn't if doomsday vs superman is anything to go by.)

[Man of Steel]

what emotional trigger ? hulk is over that dumb bitch betty.

his queen was caiera the oldstrong !

regardless - although i havn't spoken about it - superman has 1 big weakness - kryptonite  

wwh was both smart ( not banner smart, but clearly a strategist and very cunning) and immeasurably strong. i have no doubt wwh would somehow get kryptonite if/should he eventually need it ( which he wouldn't if doomsday vs superman is anything to go by.)

Be that as it may, she still contained his rage on several occassions and shows his rage isn't infinite (therefore his strength isn't infinite).

Yes, I've read and own the Planet Hulk series.

Yes, Superman has a major weakness to Kryptonite and magic.  You could even suggest his emotional tie to Lois is a weakness.

Agreed, but that doesn't prove Hulk is stronger than Superman.



I'll be back later, gonna go watch the Cowboys lose again!!

[kiwiol]

What happens if someone douses the Hulk with laughing gas? Does he revert back to the 110lb Banner

[Mr Nobody]

Whats the maintenance levels on that new haircut X? Not bad if mine goes I'm doing the same thing.