Who will win? Batman vs. Superman vs ?

[Man of Steel]

pokemon or dragonball>>>>>>superman and co

Everyone complains that "Superman is too powerful, he's a ridiculous superhero as he's unbeatable".  Now from an uninformed perspective I get that, but it's simply not true.  The most ridiculous animated superpowered folks are those in Dragonball cast....the Super Saiyans are limitlessly powerful and can destroy worlds in a flash.....that what seems bizarre to me. 

That said, Dragonball v Superman & Co.......Dragonball

[Deicide]

Superman beat Hulk twice (Marvel v DC crossovers)Hulk beat Thor (twice I can remember)
Hulk beatdown the entire the Marvel Universe (after World War Hulk)
Red Hulk beat Hulk
Thor practically beat Red Hulk (before Hulk's interference)
Hulk beat Red Hulk
Thor beat Captain Marvel
Captain Marvel beat Superman
Superman beat Captain Marvel

Here's the kicker.....Batman beat Captain Marvel (during the castling play with Supes/Bats v Captain Marvel/Hawkman)

Superman should never have won.

[Man of Steel]

Superman should never have won.

Superman also beat two different versions of the Hulk....he beat the Savage Hulk and he beat the Professor/Smart Hulk.  In doing so we know Superman could also easily defeat the Joe Fixit Hulk.

Still with the beatdowns I listed above this stuff goes back and forth.

[suckmymuscle]

But Batman could build a kryptonite atom bomb because he's also a super scientist.

  Yes, he could. But the problems that arise are significant. You are assuming that Superman wouldn't know beforehand that Batman is building such bomb and stop him before he builds it, and then detonating such a bomb would create significant risk for people, and Batman wouldn't endanger other people. All the plans that anyone could come up with to defeat Superman involve kryptonite in some way and Superman has developed several strategies to deal with people wanting to destroy him with kryptonite. If Superman gets even the slightest hint that Batman is trying to use kryptonite in some way against him, he will just throw a basketball sized rock at over half the speed of light at Batman from miles away and that's it.

SUCKMYMUSLE

[Mussolini]

I agree with 90-98% of everything SUCKMYMUSCLE says but I think the Hulk would put up a better fight with Superman as someone said it is rage that fuels his strength so eventually he could overpower him. Not saying he would win but I think it would be close.

[Man of Steel]

It's obvious no one wants to take on the real nerd here LOL!!!   

[suckmymuscle]

It's obvious no one wants to take on the real nerd here LOL!!!   

  Well, your points involve extremely impossible things, like taking Superman next to a red sun or some shit like that which is completely unfeasible.

  You are also assuming that Superman wouldn't know that Batman is planning against him and just kill him before he can do anything. Big, big assumptions.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[kiwiol]

  Well, your points involve extremely impossible things, like taking Superman next to a red sun or some shit like that which is completely unfeasible.

Not in a fictional universe involving beings with super powers and exaggerated skills, impossible science and gadgets. You are arguing based on logic, which can be stretched to accommodate any possibility inside that universe.

Anyway, MOS, I've paged Fatpanda, who will give you a solid fight over the Superman vs Hulk topic

[suckmymuscle]

Not in a fictional universe involving beings with super powers and exaggerated skills, impossible science and gadgets. You are arguing based on logic, which can be stretched to accommodate any possibility inside that universe.

Anyway, MOS, I've paged Fatpanda, who will give you a solid fight over the Superman vs Hulk topic

  But Batman has never been shown to have any super powers or gadgets  that could take Superman to a red sun, or to involve the planet with kryptonite radiation or something like that.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Fatpanda]

this is a real unbeatable hero 

 just needs a little more upper chest

x2 the strongest one there is.

the only one who would give him a true fight is superman.

however, given doomsday killed superman, and unlike hulk, has a strength limit and no advanced healing factor that also increases in step with his rage, like his strength.

hulk would also kill superman if it came down to it.

[ironneck]

x2 the strongest one there is.

the only one who would give him a true fight is superman.

however, given doomsday killed superman, and unlike hulk, has a strength limit and no advanced healing factor that also increases in step with his rage, like his strength.

hulk would also kill superman if it came down to it.

sooo pathetic....sooo

[Fatpanda]

  The only area where Hulk is comparable to Superman is strength, and I think that even in this area Superman is superior. But let's assume they are equal in strength. In the case, the victor would be the one who can take more punishment. Superman's body >>>>>>>>>>> Hulk's body. I mean, Hulk gets fucked up by military cannons and missiles, and sustains significant bodily damage. Superman takes a multi-megaton warhead and survives without even a scratch. Superman wins by brutal ground-and-pound.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

explain to me how hulk ( with infinite strength) can be weaker or even equal to superman 

do not be fucking ridiculous

hulk also has a healing factor - while superman regularly has to fly back to get some 'sun'

[Fatpanda]

  Ok, for the people saying that, Batmann will "prepare" for a fight with Superman and thus win. Wtf??

  Ok, what preparation is Batman going to do? Superman can take a fucking 20 megaton warhead and his uniform is not even crisped!!!!! What kind of planning you can do to defeat that? Maybe open a fucking black hole next to him or detonate a Supernova or something? Because you would need some shit like that to beat the man. There is nothing that Batman can plan to destroy Superman lol. The only thing that could work would be for him to create some gun that shoots kryptonite radiation or something. - but the problem is that Superman will take the gun from his hand with his speed and that's the end of Batmen.Lol.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

and yet doomsday killed him with a few punches 

[Fatpanda]

Superman beat Hulk twice (Marvel v DC crossovers)
Hulk beat Thor (twice I can remember)
Hulk beatdown the entire the Marvel Universe (after World War Hulk)
Red Hulk beat Hulk
Thor practically beat Red Hulk (before Hulk's interference)
Hulk beat Red Hulk
Thor beat Captain Marvel
Captain Marvel beat Superman
Superman beat Captain Marvel

Here's the kicker.....Batman beat Captain Marvel (during the castling play with Supes/Bats v Captain Marvel/Hawkman)

lex luthor has beaten superman on numerous occasions.

when everyone is at their best with no handicaps

hulk is the strongest one there is.

[ironneck]

haha i can't believe it

[Fatpanda]

Superman also beat two different versions of the Hulk....he beat the Savage Hulk and he beat the Professor/Smart Hulk.  In doing so we know Superman could also easily defeat the Joe Fixit Hulk.

Still with the beatdowns I listed above this stuff goes back and forth.

he would not beat wwh.

in fact in a fair write he shouldn't have beaten savage hulk either.

[Fatpanda]

on the batman vs superman debate.

i like both characters very much.

however like others have pointed out batman can be a ruthless bastard at times. So batman everytime ( with preration)

if it came to it and superman took him down, he wouldn't kill batman, he would put him on a desert island or jail or somewhere, just like he did with lex every time.

batman would not make the same mistakes as luthor.

now an evil superman that would do what had to be done - thats a different matter.

[kiwiol]

  But Batman has never been shown to have any super powers or gadgets  that could take Superman to a red sun, or to involve the planet with kryptonite radiation or something like that.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Trust me, I thought the same thing, but realized I'm not nerdy qualified enough to pass an educated opinion on the topic

As to how he could do it, anything goes, I guess - the writers could just have him unveil a machine that he's built within a lead vault underground, unknown and non-visible to Superman, just to give you an example.

Like MOS and Fatpanda have said, Batman is 100% human, but he has a whole lot of resources at his disposal, including his mind, which he can use to come up with several strategies / devices to beat Superman. Superman has his limits and is not omniscient or omnipotent, which is why he can be defeated by Batman, who is a lot more capable and resourceful than Lex Luthor, who's beaten Superman before.

[kiwiol]

on the batman vs superman debate.

i like both characters very much.

however like others have pointed out batman can be a ruthless bastard at times. So batman everytime ( with preration)

if it came to it and superman took him down, he wouldn't kill batman, he would put him on a desert island or jail or somewhere, just like he did with lex every time.

batman would not make the same mistakes as luthor.

now an evil superman that would do what had to be done - thats a different matter.

Which Batman movie do you like the most? People rave about The Dark Knight, which was great, but I like Batman Begins a lot more, cause it focused on the character a lot more than TDK, where he didn't have the same amount of screen time.

I think both of those are far superior to Tim Burton's Batman, cause Michael Keaton just wasn't physically impressive enough.

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[suckmymuscle]

explain to me how hulk ( with infinite strength) can be weaker or even equal to superman  

  What evidence do you have that Hulk has infinite strength? In the 2004 movie he was getting tossed around by tank cannons and things like that. If he had infinite strength, the tanks' weapons wouldn't move him back even an inch when they hit him. And your remark here doesen't even make any sense. You cannot have infinite strength because the very concept of infinite is abstract. Infinite means without limits, and there are limits to everything. Hulk is a being made of matter and energy, so the laws of physics apply to him. He is not a god. Could Hulk move around all the mass in the Universe? Someone with infinite strength could do it. And FYI, Superman can punch through a planet and some versions of him have him tossing around galaxies. Hulk has never shown to be even remotely this powerful.

do not be fucking ridiculous.

  Superman is ridiculously powerful and Hulk is just strong. Superman >>>>. Hulk

hulk also has a healing factor - while superman regularly has to fly back to get some 'sun'

  Yeah, Superman laughs at nukes whilst Hulk gets tossed around by tank cannons. You don't need healing when you are this tough. Could Hulk survive let alone heal from a 20 megaton nuke?

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

and yet doomsday killed him with a few punches 

  First of all, it weren't a few punches, but a protracted battle that lasted for hours. Secondly, you can't possibly compare Apocalypse to Hulk. It's like comparing GSP to Fedor - using an MMA analogy since this is a fighting discussion. Trust me, buddy, Apocalypse would literally dismember Hulk without any effort.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[dr.chimps]

Hehe. 'Buncha armchair Kissingers in this thread. Let's now give a thought to Henry's travel plans.   

[kiwiol]

 What evidence do you have that Hulk has infinite strength? In the 2004 movie he was getting tossed around by tank cannons and things like that. If he had infinite strength, the tanks' weapons wouldn't move him back even an inch when they hit him. And your remark here doesen't even make any sense. You cannot have infinite strength because the very concept of infinite is abstract. Infinite means without limits, and there are limits to everything. Hulk is a being made of matter and energy, so the laws of physics apply to him. He is not a god. Could Hulk move around all the mass in the Universe? Someone with infinite strength could do it. And FYI, Superman can punch through a planet and some versions of him have him tossing around galaxies. Hulk has never shown to be even remotely this powerful.

  Superman is ridiculously powerful and Hulk is just strong. Superman >>>>. Hulk

  Yeah, Superman laughs at nukes whilst Hulk gets tossed around by tank cannons. You don't need healing when you are this tough. Could Hulk survive let alone heal from a 20 megaton nuke?

SUCKMYMUSCLE

There was a similar thread here a few months ago and mesmorph78 said that there was a time when the Hulk got so angry, he reverted back to Banner again (when Betty gets killed). Pretty sure FP knows about it.

Superman has moved planets, which the Hulk can't do. Strength-wise, Superman has to be greater than the Hulk.

Hehe. 'Buncha armchair Kissingers in this thread. Let's now give a thought to Henry's travel plans.   

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[suckmymuscle]

There was a similar thread here a few months ago and mesmorph78 said that there was a time when the Hulk got so angry, he reverted back to Banner again (when Betty gets killed). Pretty sure FP knows about it.

Superman has moved planets, which the Hulk can't do. Strength-wise, Superman has to be greater than the Hulk.


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  Kiwi, let's end this debatr right here, ok? Let's break down both heroes:

  - The Hulk is ape-shit strong and has a limited ability to heal from damage to his body - not even close to unlimited.

  - Superman is much, much stronger and has heat vision, and can move close to light speed and is so tough that multi-megaton nukes don't even burn his cape.

  In the weak version of Superman he can punch through a planet. In some version, he can toss galaxies around. Imagine the strength to move the mass of billions of stars and all the planets that orbit them.

  But let's assume that the version of Superman where he moves galaxies is overwanked and not canon. It doesen't matter, because the weak version of Superman is so much stronger that it's like comparing a gorilla to a Human toddler.

  Superman lifted an entire continent into space and then threw it out of Earth's orbit like Pete Sampras hitting a serve in the "Superman Returns" film. Apparently, the continent had the size and mass of Australia.

  The Hulk gets clearly strained from lifting a 70 ton Sherman tank and throwing it a mile away. Lol, what a ridiculous mismatch.

  The evidence of the Hulk's strength is that he can lift and throw a few miles away objects weighting less than 100 tons. His punches can also destroy an avenue. Lol, big fucking deal! Superman lifts objects(a continent) with literrally quadrillions if not quintillions of times the mass of the objects the Hulk lifts and he does not throw them a few miles away, but throws them with such strength that the object in question escapes Earth's gravitational pull. Imagine the strength you need to throw it to make a continent with the mass of Australia escape Earth's graviational pull. It is fucking nuts!!!

  - Superman's punch goes through a planet; the Hulk's punch barely destroys the armor of a tank and destroys a medium avenue.

  - Superman lifts an object with the mass of Australia and throws it with such strength that it escapes Earth's gravitational pull; the Hulk lifts an object weighting less than 100 tons and throws it a mile away.

  - Superman takes a 20 megaton nuke and it doesen't even burn his cape; the Hulk is tossed back and thrown around by tank canon's fire.

  - Superman takes minutes to exit the solar system meaning that he moves close to C; Hulk runs at a speed that is far inferior to commercial airplanes and even far surpassed by many earth vehicles.

  What a ridiculous mismatch.

SUCKMYMUSCLE