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Re: Homeland Security Frees 27 Illegal Immigrants, Sends Them Back to Work
« Reply #25 on: April 02, 2009, 11:28:27 AM »
a lot of them commit crimes and do not pay taxes yet as time progresses they keep benefiting more and more from tax funded programs.

most of them do not commit crimes, and they all pay sales tax, property tax through their rent, and many pay income tax if they use a fake ss number (paying money into someone else's account).   for people making minimum wage, most of the tax they pay is through sales taxes.  yet without a real ss number, they don't get earned income credit or other tax refunds, nor will ever get retirement benefits.

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Re: Homeland Security Frees 27 Illegal Immigrants, Sends Them Back to Work
« Reply #26 on: April 02, 2009, 11:30:25 AM »
I know a women whos daughter works in a local box store where.....

A previously illegal was able obtain the correct documents to....

obtain an additional $20,000/year in government aid for his family of seven (five kids) on top of his....

$30,000/year salary there as a low level box cutter, stocker, shelf hand....

And... get all the tax breaks available.

Feel good guys.

oh, and qualify for section 8 housing.

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Re: Homeland Security Frees 27 Illegal Immigrants, Sends Them Back to Work
« Reply #27 on: April 02, 2009, 11:33:32 AM »
most of them do not commit crimes, and they all pay sales tax, property tax through their rent, and many pay income tax if they use a fake ss number (paying money into someone else's account).   for people making minimum wage, most of the tax they pay is through sales taxes.  yet without a real ss number, they don't get earned income credit or other tax refunds, nor will ever get retirement benefits.

Please, they are looting this nation dry in the ER's accross the nation, welfare offices, insurance fraud, crime, prison costs, etc..

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Re: Homeland Security Frees 27 Illegal Immigrants, Sends Them Back to Work
« Reply #28 on: April 02, 2009, 11:42:45 AM »
I'd also like to add:

This idea that, "who else is gonna pick our lettuce and till the fields"?!

I love that one.  Agriculture in CA is an enormous industry where the guys at the top (where I am, a collection of a few families that own and operate the farming outfits) are makings MILLIONS a year. Hundereds of thousands a month off crops like broccoli/strawberries, (much of it govt subsidies)  Meanwhile, the seasonal pickers get paid minimum wage ($8.25) plus get a piece of the action if they pick more, hence their running back and forth to the truck and crop. 

So let me just toss this out there: what would happen if say, "no one really wanted to go out and pick the fields" (which i seriously doubt, people would fill the void) and the world had less broccoli, spinach, strawberries?! oh and iceberg fcking lettuce!  :o  Its not like we really need those fruity variations to sustain life. Its not like a lack of broccoli would lead to massive dismay and famine would overtake! The restaurants might not of some crunchy iceberg to throw on your burger, but we'd get by ok i think... 

This BELIEF that they do all the jobs no one else will do is complete f'ing BS.  They're just here becasue there is nothing in mexico for them.  And that OK! but wtf?! fall in line, pay taxes, raise your kids off the money you earned, not mine.  Take care of your health and dont get diabetes from eating like shit and be on Medical for your entire life and get all your free visits and meds compt! 

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Re: Homeland Security Frees 27 Illegal Immigrants, Sends Them Back to Work
« Reply #29 on: April 02, 2009, 11:55:56 AM »
These analyses have already been done.  Illegal immigrants cost the nation money.  We can argue about specific cases one side or the other but as a whole, illegals are a drain on the economy.  Many employers aren't reporting their work and thus avoid taxation.  Some states don't have sales tax and even so sales tax is 7-8%.  Income tax, state, local, RITA, federal, SS, etc amounts to 5 times that.

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Re: Homeland Security Frees 27 Illegal Immigrants, Sends Them Back to Work
« Reply #30 on: April 02, 2009, 12:06:52 PM »
These analyses have already been done.  Illegal immigrants cost the nation money.  We can argue about specific cases one side or the other but as a whole, illegals are a drain on the economy.  Many employers aren't reporting their work and thus avoid taxation.  Some states don't have sales tax and even so sales tax is 7-8%.  Income tax, state, local, RITA, federal, SS, etc amounts to 5 times that.

Yeah, by the time its all said and done anyone and everyone is paying an additional 15-20% in taxes on top of their income taxes. 

On topic of business not claiming workers. payroll taxes are robbery.

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Re: Homeland Security Frees 27 Illegal Immigrants, Sends Them Back to Work
« Reply #31 on: April 02, 2009, 12:08:00 PM »
Some states don't have sales tax and even so sales tax is 7-8%.  Income tax, state, local, RITA, federal, SS, etc amounts to 5 times that.

no it is not for people making minimum wage.  they get all their state and fed tax back, and if they have kids they get the earned income tax credit, which is often more than what they put in for ss.

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Re: Homeland Security Frees 27 Illegal Immigrants, Sends Them Back to Work
« Reply #32 on: April 02, 2009, 01:04:10 PM »
dont even bother timfogarty, right wingers are convinced that ALL mexicans are Tony Montana like characters whose sole mission in life is to 'commit crimes', stay dirty and steal away good white people's money and daughters.

you cannot change their 'minds' on this.

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Re: Homeland Security Frees 27 Illegal Immigrants, Sends Them Back to Work
« Reply #34 on: April 02, 2009, 01:06:57 PM »
dont even bother timfogarty, right wingers are convinced that ALL mexicans are Tony Montana like characters whose sole mission in life is to 'commit crimes', stay dirty and steal away good white people's money and daughters.

you cannot change their 'minds' on this.

No, just go to the ER and stick the bill to the taxpayer, work off the books, drive DWI, etc

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Re: Homeland Security Frees 27 Illegal Immigrants, Sends Them Back to Work
« Reply #35 on: April 02, 2009, 01:07:41 PM »
If they get caught committing a crime, deport them. Commonsense 101.


This, I agree with.
HAHA, RON.....

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Re: Homeland Security Frees 27 Illegal Immigrants, Sends Them Back to Work
« Reply #36 on: April 02, 2009, 01:10:33 PM »
No, just go to the ER and stick the bill to the taxpayer, work off the books, drive DWI, etc

is your bunker fully prepared, stocked, and Mexican-proofed yet?

April is upon us ;D

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Re: Homeland Security Frees 27 Illegal Immigrants, Sends Them Back to Work
« Reply #37 on: April 02, 2009, 01:13:41 PM »
dont even bother timfogarty, right wingers are convinced that ALL mexicans are Tony Montana like characters whose sole mission in life is to 'commit crimes', stay dirty and steal away good white people's money and daughters.

you cannot change their 'minds' on this.

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Here are the statistics on welfare recipients:
Traits of families on AFDC (1)

Race
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White    38.8%
Black    37.2
Hispanic 17.8
Asian     2.8
Other     3.4




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Re: Homeland Security Frees 27 Illegal Immigrants, Sends Them Back to Work
« Reply #38 on: April 02, 2009, 01:16:38 PM »
QFT

Here are the statistics on welfare recipients:
Traits of families on AFDC (1)

Race
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White    38.8%
Black    37.2
Hispanic 17.8
Asian     2.8
Other     3.4





Which means that blacks and hispanics are very over-represented on the welfare roles.

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Re: Homeland Security Frees 27 Illegal Immigrants, Sends Them Back to Work
« Reply #39 on: April 02, 2009, 01:42:24 PM »
Please, they are looting this nation dry in the ER's accross the nation,
How do you know this ?  by law, hospitals are not allowed to ask about immigration status.

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Re: Homeland Security Frees 27 Illegal Immigrants, Sends Them Back to Work
« Reply #40 on: April 02, 2009, 01:49:09 PM »
How do you know this ?  by law, hospitals are not allowed to ask about immigration status.

Where to begin with your nonsense?????


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Re: Homeland Security Frees 27 Illegal Immigrants, Sends Them Back to Work
« Reply #41 on: April 02, 2009, 01:55:33 PM »
Where to begin with your nonsense?????


What happened ,you don't know what to say ?

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Re: Homeland Security Frees 27 Illegal Immigrants, Sends Them Back to Work
« Reply #42 on: April 02, 2009, 02:00:58 PM »
What happened ,you don't know what to say ?

When these fools speak no english and have no insurance, do you think the odds are they are illegal or legal citizens?

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Re: Homeland Security Frees 27 Illegal Immigrants, Sends Them Back to Work
« Reply #43 on: April 02, 2009, 02:07:05 PM »
When these fools speak no english and have no insurance, do you think the odds are they are illegal or legal citizens?
Hhahaa   Oh brother .

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Re: Homeland Security Frees 27 Illegal Immigrants, Sends Them Back to Work
« Reply #44 on: April 02, 2009, 02:13:56 PM »
SEATTLE —  The Department of Homeland Security freed 27 illegal immigrants arrested during a workplace raid in February and offered them legal work permits, signaling a major departure from the immigration enforcement policy of the Bush administration.

The Feb. 24 raid of an auto parts plant in Bellingham, Wash., netted 28 illegal immigrants. While one was deported, the remaining workers were released from custody and given employment authorization documents, or EADs, in exchange for cooperating with an ongoing investigation of their employer, Yamato Engine Specialists.

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The EAD is a temporary work permit most commonly given to people applying for green cards or citizenship. It usually lasts for one year, but Immigration and Customs Enforcement sources tell FOX News that these work permits will expire when the case against Yamato is closed.

Immigrant rights activists support the move and the new direction Secretary Janet Napolitano is taking the Homeland Security Department with her focus on penalizing employers rather than the immigrants themselves.

"She is crafting and the people in her department are crafting a strategy that could target some people who are abusive and manipulative as employers," said Pramila Jayapal, executive director of the Seattle-based immigrant aid group OneAmerica.

But critics say the softened policy will increase the number of illegal immigrants entering the country.

"The signal that it sends to illegal immigrants is that if you can get here, you're pretty much home free," said Ira Mehlman, a spokesman for the Federation for American Immigration Reform.

The Bellingham raid was the first and only mass arrest of immigrants since President Obama took office and came as a shock to Napolitano, who ordered a review of the incident the day after.

"I didn't know about it beforehand," she told the House Homeland Security Committee the morning following the raid. "I want to get to the bottom of this as well."

The response from the Department of Homeland Security marks a major shift from the last years of the Bush administration, when workplace arrests of illegals were commonplace.

Criminal arrests of employers who hired illegal immigrants skyrocketed from 25 in 2002 to 1,103 in 2008. The number of deportations jumped from 485 to 5,184 over that same time period. The Obama administration has sought a freeze on immigrant arrests.

Enforcement advocates say Americans should be outraged by the government giving illegal immigrants a right to work when unemployment is so high for documented workers.

Unemployment in Whatcom County, home to the Yamato plant, has risen to 8.1 percent, and in the days after the Yamato raid, more than 150 people applied for the jobs made open by the arrests.

Immigrant groups say the release was a humane act that is keeping families together and allowing them to earn a decent living.

Secretary Napolitano is expected to soon formally announce new guidelines for workplace immigration enforcement.



this is very good!,,as long as yuore not criminal ,,and you want to be american you shoudl be allowed to!,,and will be allowed to by both democrat and republican,,you all are bunch of immigrants yourself ,,america doesnt belong to any one its a bunch of immigrants that came to america and started something and obviously sank it to the grounds,,,time for new blood as long as this new blood learn english and participate ,,

they should all get amnesty and will get it as long as they  dont commit fellonies,,enough of the buhs disaster,,he brought no good to america and sinked you into catastrophy and now this obama is even worse and will bring you to your worst point ever true! ,,but! anyone should be allowed to be american ANY ONE! usa belong to the indians you took it from them ,,and now you should and will accept any one who is usa,,always been this way and will always be this way ,,
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Re: Homeland Security Frees 27 Illegal Immigrants, Sends Them Back to Work
« Reply #45 on: April 02, 2009, 02:18:39 PM »
this is very good!,,as long as yuore not criminal ,,and you want to be american you shoudl be allowed to!,,and will be allowed to by both democrat and republican,,you all are bunch of immigrants yourself ,,america doesnt belong to any one its a bunch of immigrants that came to america and started something and obviously sank it to the grounds,,,time for new blood as long as this new blood learn english and participate ,,

they should all get amnesty and will get it as long as they  dont commit fellonies,,enough of the buhs disaster,,he brought no good to america and sinked you into catastrophy and now this obama is even worse and will bring you to your worst point ever true! ,,but! anyone should be allowed to be american ANY ONE! usa belong to the indians you took it from them ,,and now you should and will accept any one who is usa,,always been this way and will always be this way ,,

gh, serious question.  What constitutes a double comma sentence separation vs a triple comma sentence separation?

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Re: Homeland Security Frees 27 Illegal Immigrants, Sends Them Back to Work
« Reply #46 on: April 02, 2009, 02:30:09 PM »
is your bunker fully prepared, stocked, and Mexican-proofed yet?

April is upon us ;D

still waiting for an answer 333386. i thought the riots were supposed to start this month. how many 'mexicans' have you had to fight off your property so far?

 :)

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Re: Homeland Security Frees 27 Illegal Immigrants, Sends Them Back to Work
« Reply #47 on: April 02, 2009, 02:33:03 PM »
still waiting for an answer 333386. i thought the riots were supposed to start this month. how many 'mexicans' have you had to fight off your property so far?

 :)

Lets see, Yonkers Ave this morning had about 750 mexicans lining the streets and my friend whose house is on there had to threaten them off the property with a shovel. 

Does that count?

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Re: Homeland Security Frees 27 Illegal Immigrants, Sends Them Back to Work
« Reply #48 on: April 02, 2009, 03:35:22 PM »
So what? A lot of American citizens commit crimes, useless argument.  Obviously if they get caught committing crimes send them off.  For everyone of them who commits a crime there are hundreds who are making your lives a little easier.  Maybe you'll get your wish though, since Bush destroyed our economy maybe they'll start going back home because things are sucking so bad here.

When you say 'back home' you must be talking about California and Arizona, right? because those are the areas  the United States STOLE from Mexico originally..

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Re: Homeland Security Frees 27 Illegal Immigrants, Sends Them Back to Work
« Reply #49 on: April 02, 2009, 03:38:02 PM »
When you say 'back home' you must be talking about California and Arizona, right? because those are the areas  the United States STOLE from Mexico originally..


And who did they steal it from????