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Gay marriage in Iowa? Who knew?!
« on: April 03, 2009, 12:00:29 PM »
Let freedom ring, muthafuckers!!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090403/ap_on_re_us/iowa_gay_marriage

DES MOINES, Iowa – Iowa's Supreme Court legalized gay marriage Friday in a unanimous and emphatic decision that makes Iowa the third state — and first in the nation's heartland — to allow same-sex couples to wed.

Iowa joins only Massachusetts and Connecticut in permitting same-sex marriage. For six months last year, California's high court allowed gay marriage before voters banned it in November.

The Iowa justices upheld a lower-court ruling that rejected a state law restricting marriage to a union between a man and woman.

The county attorney who defended the law said he would not seek a rehearing. The only recourse for opponents appeared to be a constitutional amendment, which could take years to ratify.

"We are firmly convinced the exclusion of gay and lesbian people from the institution of civil marriage does not substantially further any important governmental objective," the Supreme Court wrote.

Iowa lawmakers have "excluded a historically disfavored class of persons from a supremely important civil institution without a constitutionally sufficient justification."

To issue any other decision, the justices said, "would be an abdication of our constitutional duty."

The Iowa attorney general's office said gay and lesbian couples can seek marriage licenses starting April 24, once the ruling is considered final.

Des Moines attorney Dennis Johnson, who represented gay and lesbian couples, said "this is a great day for civil rights in Iowa."

At a news conference announcing the decision, he thanked the plaintiffs and said, "Go get married, live happily ever after, live the American dream."

Plaintiff Kate Varnum, 34, introduced her partner, Trish Varnum, as "my fiance."

"I never thought I'd be able to say that," she said, fighting back tears.

Jason Morgan, 38, said he and his partner, Chuck Swaggerty, adopted two sons, confronted the death of Swaggerty's mother and endured a four-year legal battle as plaintiffs.

"If being together though all of that isn't love and commitment or isn't family or marriage, then I don't know what is," Morgan said. "We are very happy with the decision today and very proud to live in Iowa."

In its ruling, the Supreme Court upheld an August 2007 decision by a judge who found that a state law limiting marriage to a man and a woman violates the constitutional rights of equal protection.

The Polk County attorney's office claimed that Judge Robert Hanson's ruling violated the separation of powers and said the issue should be left to the Legislature.

The case had been working its way through the courts since 2005, when Lambda Legal, a New York-based gay rights organization, filed a lawsuit on behalf of six gay and lesbian couples in Iowa.

"Today, dreams become reality, families are protected and the Iowa Constitution's promise of equality and fairness has been fulfilled," Lambda Legal attorney Camilla Taylor said.

John Logan, a sociology professor at Brown University, said Iowa's status as a largely rural, Midwest state could enforce an argument that gay marriage is no longer a fringe issue.

"When it was only California and Massachusetts, it could be perceived as extremism on the coasts and not related to core American values.

"But as it extends to states like Iowa, and as attitudes toward gay marriage have evidently changed, then people will look at it as an example of broad acceptance," Logan said.

Polk County Attorney John Sarcone said his office will not ask for the case to be reconsidered.

"Our Supreme Court has decided it, and they make the decision as to what the law is, and we follow Supreme Court decisions," Sarcone said.

Gay marriage opponents have no other legal options to appeal the case to the state or federal level because they were not parties to the lawsuit, and there is no federal issue raised in the case, Sarcone said.

Bryan English, spokesman for the Iowa Family Policy Center, a conservative group that opposes same-sex marriage, said many Iowans are disappointed with the ruling and do not want courts to decide the issue.

"I would say the mood is one of mourning right now in a lot of ways," English said. He said the group immediately began lobbying legislators "to let the people of Iowa vote" on a constitutional amendment.

"This is an issue that will define (lawmakers') leadership. This is not a side issue."

Iowa has a history of being in the forefront on social issues. It was among the first states to legalize interracial marriage and to allow married women to own property. It was also the first state to admit a woman to the bar to practice law and was a leader in school desegregation.

Todd Pettys, a University of Iowa law professor, said the state's equal protection clause on which Friday's ruling was based is worded slightly differently than the U.S. Constitution. But Iowa's language means almost "exactly the same thing."

Still, he said, it's difficult to predict whether the U.S. Supreme Court would view the issue the same way as the Iowa justices.

Linda McClain, professor at Boston University School of Law, said she doubted Iowa's ruling would be "a realistic blueprint" for the U.S. Supreme Court," particularly considering the court's conservative leadership.

Senate Majority Leader Mike Gronstal, a Democrat, said state lawmakers were unlikely to consider gay marriage legislation in this legislative session, which is expected to end within weeks.

Gronstal also said he's "not inclined" to propose a constitutional amendment during next year's session.

Iowa's Democratic governor, Chet Culver, said he would review the decision before announcing his views.

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Re: Gay marriage in Iowa? Who knew?!
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2009, 12:23:21 PM »
Let freedom ring, muthafuckers!!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090403/ap_on_re_us/iowa_gay_marriage

Isn't the market bad for selling your house right now? :)

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Re: Gay marriage in Iowa? Who knew?!
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2009, 12:33:12 PM »
Isn't the market bad for selling your house right now? :)

L O L!!!!

Can't sell here, but I can still buy there! ;) 


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Re: Gay marriage in Iowa? Who knew?!
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2009, 12:34:54 PM »
This thread is fucking gay. ;D
I hate the State.

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Re: Gay marriage in Iowa? Who knew?!
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2009, 03:14:57 PM »
I hate gays now because you just included a link.  I don't want to fucking open a new page just to read this shit. 
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Re: Gay marriage in Iowa? Who knew?!
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2009, 03:50:27 PM »
I hate gays now because you just included a link.  I don't want to fucking open a new page just to read this shit. 

My bad.  I usually include the text of the story, but forgot to this time...I was just soooooo excited! 

lol

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Re: Gay marriage in Iowa? Who knew?!
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2009, 04:00:30 PM »
Pretty said that Iowa can be more progressive than Cali heh.

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« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2009, 04:17:41 PM »
My bad.  I usually include the text of the story, but forgot to this time...I was just soooooo excited! 

lol

And you just couldn't hide it!!

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Re: Gay marriage in Iowa? Who knew?!
« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2009, 04:56:57 PM »
finally, Chicago Cubs fans have a place where they can go marry each other!
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Re: Gay marriage in Iowa? Who knew?!
« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2009, 05:02:11 PM »
Let freedom ring, muthafuckers!!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090403/ap_on_re_us/iowa_gay_marriage

DES MOINES, Iowa – Iowa's Supreme Court legalized gay marriage Friday in a unanimous and emphatic decision that makes Iowa the third state — and first in the nation's heartland — to allow same-sex couples to wed.

Iowa joins only Massachusetts and Connecticut in permitting same-sex marriage. For six months last year, California's high court allowed gay marriage before voters banned it in November.

The Iowa justices upheld a lower-court ruling that rejected a state law restricting marriage to a union between a man and woman.

The county attorney who defended the law said he would not seek a rehearing. The only recourse for opponents appeared to be a constitutional amendment, which could take years to ratify.

"We are firmly convinced the exclusion of gay and lesbian people from the institution of civil marriage does not substantially further any important governmental objective," the Supreme Court wrote.

Iowa lawmakers have "excluded a historically disfavored class of persons from a supremely important civil institution without a constitutionally sufficient justification."

To issue any other decision, the justices said, "would be an abdication of our constitutional duty."

The Iowa attorney general's office said gay and lesbian couples can seek marriage licenses starting April 24, once the ruling is considered final.

Des Moines attorney Dennis Johnson, who represented gay and lesbian couples, said "this is a great day for civil rights in Iowa."

At a news conference announcing the decision, he thanked the plaintiffs and said, "Go get married, live happily ever after, live the American dream."

Plaintiff Kate Varnum, 34, introduced her partner, Trish Varnum, as "my fiance."

"I never thought I'd be able to say that," she said, fighting back tears.

Jason Morgan, 38, said he and his partner, Chuck Swaggerty, adopted two sons, confronted the death of Swaggerty's mother and endured a four-year legal battle as plaintiffs.

"If being together though all of that isn't love and commitment or isn't family or marriage, then I don't know what is," Morgan said. "We are very happy with the decision today and very proud to live in Iowa."

In its ruling, the Supreme Court upheld an August 2007 decision by a judge who found that a state law limiting marriage to a man and a woman violates the constitutional rights of equal protection.

The Polk County attorney's office claimed that Judge Robert Hanson's ruling violated the separation of powers and said the issue should be left to the Legislature.

The case had been working its way through the courts since 2005, when Lambda Legal, a New York-based gay rights organization, filed a lawsuit on behalf of six gay and lesbian couples in Iowa.

"Today, dreams become reality, families are protected and the Iowa Constitution's promise of equality and fairness has been fulfilled," Lambda Legal attorney Camilla Taylor said.

John Logan, a sociology professor at Brown University, said Iowa's status as a largely rural, Midwest state could enforce an argument that gay marriage is no longer a fringe issue.

"When it was only California and Massachusetts, it could be perceived as extremism on the coasts and not related to core American values.

"But as it extends to states like Iowa, and as attitudes toward gay marriage have evidently changed, then people will look at it as an example of broad acceptance," Logan said.

Polk County Attorney John Sarcone said his office will not ask for the case to be reconsidered.

"Our Supreme Court has decided it, and they make the decision as to what the law is, and we follow Supreme Court decisions," Sarcone said.

Gay marriage opponents have no other legal options to appeal the case to the state or federal level because they were not parties to the lawsuit, and there is no federal issue raised in the case, Sarcone said.

Bryan English, spokesman for the Iowa Family Policy Center, a conservative group that opposes same-sex marriage, said many Iowans are disappointed with the ruling and do not want courts to decide the issue.

"I would say the mood is one of mourning right now in a lot of ways," English said. He said the group immediately began lobbying legislators "to let the people of Iowa vote" on a constitutional amendment.

"This is an issue that will define (lawmakers') leadership. This is not a side issue."

Iowa has a history of being in the forefront on social issues. It was among the first states to legalize interracial marriage and to allow married women to own property. It was also the first state to admit a woman to the bar to practice law and was a leader in school desegregation.

Todd Pettys, a University of Iowa law professor, said the state's equal protection clause on which Friday's ruling was based is worded slightly differently than the U.S. Constitution. But Iowa's language means almost "exactly the same thing."

Still, he said, it's difficult to predict whether the U.S. Supreme Court would view the issue the same way as the Iowa justices.

Linda McClain, professor at Boston University School of Law, said she doubted Iowa's ruling would be "a realistic blueprint" for the U.S. Supreme Court," particularly considering the court's conservative leadership.

Senate Majority Leader Mike Gronstal, a Democrat, said state lawmakers were unlikely to consider gay marriage legislation in this legislative session, which is expected to end within weeks.

Gronstal also said he's "not inclined" to propose a constitutional amendment during next year's session.

Iowa's Democratic governor, Chet Culver, said he would review the decision before announcing his views.
good, seperate but equal wasn't right in 1954 and it isnt right today.

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Re: Gay marriage in Iowa? Who knew?!
« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2009, 09:44:56 PM »
good, seperate but equal wasn't right in 1954 and it isnt right today.

Kind of a silly comparison.

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Re: Gay marriage in Iowa? Who knew?!
« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2009, 09:51:15 PM »
Kind of a silly comparison.
maybe civil rights are silly 2 u

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Re: Gay marriage in Iowa? Who knew?!
« Reply #12 on: April 03, 2009, 10:08:30 PM »
maybe civil rights are silly 2 u

Gays aren't a separate race.

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Re: Gay marriage in Iowa? Who knew?!
« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2009, 02:33:10 AM »
Kind of a silly comparison.

Not really, considering that the language used to justify the discrimination is the same now as it was then.



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Re: Gay marriage in Iowa? Who knew?!
« Reply #14 on: April 04, 2009, 03:00:42 AM »
what a mess!

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Re: Gay marriage in Iowa? Who knew?!
« Reply #15 on: April 04, 2009, 03:07:30 AM »
does this mean if I go to iowa.. I can marry a tranny?

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Re: Gay marriage in Iowa? Who knew?!
« Reply #16 on: April 04, 2009, 03:09:53 AM »
there should come a new holocaust for gay people!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Gay marriage in Iowa? Who knew?!
« Reply #17 on: April 04, 2009, 03:14:31 AM »
The world laughs at the US more and more.......
No doubt about it...

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Re: Gay marriage in Iowa? Who knew?!
« Reply #18 on: April 04, 2009, 03:15:31 AM »
Not really, considering that the language used to justify the discrimination is the same now as it was then.




"Iowa has a history of being in the forefront on social issues. It was among the first states to legalize interracial marriage and to allow married women to own property. It was also the first state to admit a woman to the bar to practice law and was a leader in school desegregation."

the court determined the law banning minorities the right to marry unconstitutional because equality is a guaranteed constitutional right.


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Re: Gay marriage in Iowa? Who knew?!
« Reply #19 on: April 04, 2009, 03:16:37 AM »
The world laughs at the US more and more.......
from where, you're shithole country ?

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Re: Gay marriage in Iowa? Who knew?!
« Reply #20 on: April 04, 2009, 03:18:08 AM »
from where, you're shithole country ?

Well in this shithole (which is proud to proclaim some of the best quality of life anywhere in the world) we don't let gays marry.......
No doubt about it...

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Re: Gay marriage in Iowa? Who knew?!
« Reply #21 on: April 04, 2009, 03:20:09 AM »
Well in this shithole (which is proud to proclaim some of the best quality of life anywhere in the world) we don't let gays marry.......
it kills you because of our belief in law

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Re: Gay marriage in Iowa? Who knew?!
« Reply #22 on: April 04, 2009, 03:20:26 AM »
the country with the most double standards i know.

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Re: Gay marriage in Iowa? Who knew?!
« Reply #23 on: April 04, 2009, 03:21:14 AM »
it kills you because of our belief in law

Yes, your crime/murder rates are very impressive......... :)
No doubt about it...

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Re: Gay marriage in Iowa? Who knew?!
« Reply #24 on: April 04, 2009, 03:23:39 AM »
the country with the most double standards i know.
ha coming from a foreigner that sir speaks volumes   LOL