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Is atheism a mental disorder?
« on: April 08, 2009, 11:36:00 AM »
Organizing, meeting, and protesting something they don't believe in.  Sounds a little crazy to me. 

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Re: Is atheism a mental disorder?
« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2009, 11:36:57 AM »
how original..you bored?
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« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2009, 11:45:03 AM »


those are just a few reasons of the many.
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Re: Is atheism a mental disorder?
« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2009, 11:46:00 AM »
Organizing, meeting, and protesting something they don't believe in.  Sounds a little crazy to me. 

Good point!

Some of the ones on this board consider themselves intelligent and perfectly sane, yet they constantly argue with people that they consider to be seriously insane, arguing about a being they do not believe even exists.    :)

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« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2009, 11:49:17 AM »
big L dawg,

I don't know if you are aware of this, but many of us mostly access getbig from work, where videos are blocked.  If you don't care that we never get to see your many posted videos, then disregard this!

Instead, you could be original and post your own thoughts, or at least write a summary of the video and your thoughts on it.

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« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2009, 11:53:49 AM »
big L dawg,

I don't know if you are aware of this, but many of us mostly access getbig from work, where videos are blocked.  If you don't care that we never get to see your many posted videos, then disregard this!

Instead, you could be original and post your own thoughts, or at least write a summary of the video and your thoughts on it.

are you just assuming I have nothing to do with the research or production of some of these video's?..secondly it's not very Christian like to spend all that time on GB on the company's dime...You can't access GB at home on your own time to watch the video's?
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Re: Is atheism a mental disorder?
« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2009, 12:03:38 PM »
Good point!

Some of the ones on this board consider themselves intelligent and perfectly sane, yet they constantly argue with people that they consider to be seriously insane, arguing about a being they do not believe even exists.    :)


True.  I think it's funny.  :)

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Re: Is atheism a mental disorder?
« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2009, 12:09:17 PM »
are you just assuming I have nothing to do with the research or production of some of these video's?

I'm assuming nothing, but either way I and others still don't get to watch your many posted videos.

If you have anything to do with the research or production of some of these videos, then it shouldn't be a problem to write a summary of the video and your thoughts on it, would it?

..secondly it's not very Christian like to spend all that time on GB on the company's dime...

Not in my case.

Ever heard of those companies where computer programmers, engineers and graphic designers work together in a room with a pool table, a dart board and a flat panel TV?  You know, the type of job where the boss orders pizza for his employees every Friday?

Well, that's not like my job, though that would be nice!   :)

But at least they do allow me to surf the net on the company's time as long as my work gets done and as long as it gets done well.  Plus they already block all the stuff on the Internet that they don't want me to access from work.
  
Besides, part of my job requires surfing the net anyway.  And my company is aware of the study which found that employees who surf the net in moderation on the company's time are more efficient at work.   :)

Otherwise, I would not surf the net on the company's time.

You can't access GB at home on your own time to watch the video's?

I do sometimes, though the last thing I want to do after work is get on a computer, even if I had the time to do it.  I do have a life outside of work, and outside of getbig.

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Re: Is atheism a mental disorder?
« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2009, 12:18:28 PM »
I think it can be seen as hopeful too.  I think it means they really are searching for or do have a genuine interest in God.  ...but maybe are angry at Him.

You don't see us frequenting leprochaun boards arguing against their existence.



Seems like many people want God to be how they want Him to be. 

Since we as humans are not omniscient, we simply can't understand why certain things are allowed to happen...like child abuse, etc. if there is an all-powerful God that could stop it.   

We can't understand all things and so become angry and reject the fact that He could be real...because in our minds, if He were real, these things would not take place. 

But the thing is, He gave us free-will.    And there are jag offs that do stupid and evil things.  And there are people that do things w/o intending to hurt others but it still can result in something terrible.  The first time you use the heroin, all you want is to get high, but later you hang yourself in a jail and your family and friends and your children are destroyed. 
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« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2009, 12:24:07 PM »
I think it can be seen as hopeful too.  I think it means they really are searching for or do have a genuine interest in God.  ...but maybe are angry at Him.

You don't see us frequenting leprochaun boards arguing against their existence.



Seems like many people want God to be how they want Him to be. 

Since we as humans are not omniscient, we simply can't understand why certain things are allowed to happen...like child abuse, etc. if there is an all-powerful God that could stop it.   

We can't understand all things and so become angry and reject the fact that He could be real...because in our minds, if He were real, these things would not take place. 

But the thing is, He gave us free-will.    And there are jag offs that do stupid and evil things.  And there are people that do things w/o intending to hurt others but it still can result in something terrible.  The first time you use the heroin, all you want is to get high, but later you hang yourself in a jail and your family and friends and your children are destroyed. 

That's a good point too!   :)

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Re: Is atheism a mental disorder?
« Reply #10 on: April 08, 2009, 12:33:57 PM »
Organizing, meeting, and protesting something they don't believe in.  Sounds a little crazy to me. 

I agree.  It is a little weird.  I can see debating on forums.  But all the other stuff?

I can see why some of you here compare it to a religion. 

I wonder if they sing hymns. 

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Re: Is atheism a mental disorder?
« Reply #11 on: April 08, 2009, 12:37:04 PM »
I think it can be seen as hopeful too.  I think it means they really are searching for or do have a genuine interest in God.  ...but maybe are angry at Him.

You don't see us frequenting leprochaun boards arguing against their existence.



Seems like many people want God to be how they want Him to be. 

Since we as humans are not omniscient, we simply can't understand why certain things are allowed to happen...like child abuse, etc. if there is an all-powerful God that could stop it.   

We can't understand all things and so become angry and reject the fact that He could be real...because in our minds, if He were real, these things would not take place. 

But the thing is, He gave us free-will.    And there are jag offs that do stupid and evil things.  And there are people that do things w/o intending to hurt others but it still can result in something terrible.  The first time you use the heroin, all you want is to get high, but later you hang yourself in a jail and your family and friends and your children are destroyed. 

So here I am poking fun at atheists and you have to inject truth, common sense, etc. into the thread.   :-\

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Seriously, I agree with you.  I do think that many atheists are searching.  Many that I have encountered are angry.  It's good for them to not completely shut the door.   

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« Reply #12 on: April 08, 2009, 12:41:40 PM »
I think it can be seen as hopeful too.  I think it means they really are searching for or do have a genuine interest in God.  ...but maybe are angry at Him.

You don't see us frequenting leprochaun boards arguing against their existence.

Seems like many people want God to be how they want Him to be. 

Since we as humans are not omniscient, we simply can't understand why certain things are allowed to happen...like child abuse, etc. if there is an all-powerful God that could stop it.   

We can't understand all things and so become angry and reject the fact that He could be real...because in our minds, if He were real, these things would not take place. 

But the thing is, He gave us free-will.    And there are jag offs that do stupid and evil things.  And there are people that do things w/o intending to hurt others but it still can result in something terrible.  The first time you use the heroin, all you want is to get high, but later you hang yourself in a jail and your family and friends and your children are destroyed. 

I don't think they are searching for God.  I think they can't understand why anyone would believe god exists with the lack of evidence indicating he exists.  

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Re: Is atheism a mental disorder?
« Reply #13 on: April 08, 2009, 12:45:29 PM »




Seriously, I agree with you.  I do think that many atheists are searching.  Many that I have encountered are angry.  It's good for them to not completely shut the door.  

Yeah, one guy I knew who was very angry was a state cop that had seen horrible things.  I can understand how there can be intense feelings of helplessness and anger.   
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« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2009, 12:54:17 PM »
I don't think they are searching for God.  I think they can understand why anyone would believe god exists with the lack of evidence indicating he exists.  

That is probably true too.  I know they don't but I find evidence for a God in nature, our bodies, animals etc. feelings, a sense of right and wrong, vision etc.





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« Reply #15 on: April 08, 2009, 06:50:57 PM »
I'm assuming nothing, but either way I and others still don't get to watch your many posted videos.

If you have anything to do with the research or production of some of these videos, then it shouldn't be a problem to write a summary of the video and your thoughts on it, would it?

Not in my case.

Ever heard of those companies where computer programmers, engineers and graphic designers work together in a room with a pool table, a dart board and a flat panel TV?  You know, the type of job where the boss orders pizza for his employees every Friday?

Well, that's not like my job, though that would be nice!   :)

But at least they do allow me to surf the net on the company's time as long as my work gets done and as long as it gets done well.  Plus they already block all the stuff on the Internet that they don't want me to access from work.
  
Besides, part of my job requires surfing the net anyway.  And my company is aware of the study which found that employees who surf the net in moderation on the company's time are more efficient at work.   :)

Otherwise, I would not surf the net on the company's time.

I do sometimes, though the last thing I want to do after work is get on a computer, even if I had the time to do it.  I do have a life outside of work, and outside of getbig.

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Re: Is atheism a mental disorder?
« Reply #16 on: April 09, 2009, 07:42:07 AM »
I agree.  It is a little weird.  I can see debating on forums.  But all the other stuff?

I can see why some of you here compare it to a religion. 

I wonder if they sing hymns. 


Actually, some of them do, at some of the “un-churches” (humanist centers) in California. Beach Bum and I talked about this on a thread several months ago, regarding a TIME magazine article, "Sunday School For Atheists".

The Palo Alto Sunday family program uses music, art and discussion to encourage personal expression, intellectual curiosity and collaboration. One Sunday this fall found a dozen children up to age 6 and several parents playing percussion instruments and singing empowering anthems like I'm Unique and Unrepeatable, set to the tune of Ten Little Indians, instead of traditional Sunday-school songs like Jesus Loves Me. Rather than listen to a Bible story, the class read Stone Soup, a secular parable of a traveler who feeds a village by making a stew using one ingredient from each home.




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Re: Is atheism a mental disorder?
« Reply #17 on: April 09, 2009, 08:05:37 AM »
Organizing, meeting, and protesting something they don't believe in.  Sounds a little crazy to me. 

Not if you have Christianity shoved down  your throat from day one.
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« Reply #18 on: April 09, 2009, 08:18:29 AM »
Not if you have Christianity shoved down  your throat from day one.

I must have missed the news bulletins, where atheists were dragged to church every Sunday or forced to pray over their food.

Unless, of course, you're referring to the epileptic fits that atheists have this time of year and during the month of December, when they see those "oppressive" Navtivity scenes.

This country was founded by people who believed in God. If that bugs you, you can always pack your Samsonite and head to Europe.

Of course, they won't be godless much longer, once they get overrun by the Muslims. But, that's another story for another time.

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« Reply #19 on: April 09, 2009, 08:37:03 AM »

Actually, some of them do, at some of the “un-churches” (humanist centers) in California. Beach Bum and I talked about this on a thread several months ago, regarding a TIME magazine article, "Sunday School For Atheists".

The Palo Alto Sunday family program uses music, art and discussion to encourage personal expression, intellectual curiosity and collaboration. One Sunday this fall found a dozen children up to age 6 and several parents playing percussion instruments and singing empowering anthems like I'm Unique and Unrepeatable, set to the tune of Ten Little Indians, instead of traditional Sunday-school songs like Jesus Loves Me. Rather than listen to a Bible story, the class read Stone Soup, a secular parable of a traveler who feeds a village by making a stew using one ingredient from each home.




http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1686828,00.html

Yeah i remember that now.   That's pretty interesting.  Gathering for a common cause that's good, is good.  But it does seem silly, these comparisons. 

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« Reply #20 on: April 09, 2009, 09:15:12 AM »
I think it can be seen as hopeful too.  I think it means they really are searching for or do have a genuine interest in God.  ...but maybe are angry at Him.

You don't see us frequenting leprochaun boards arguing against their existence.



Seems like many people want God to be how they want Him to be. 

Since we as humans are not omniscient, we simply can't understand why certain things are allowed to happen...like child abuse, etc. if there is an all-powerful God that could stop it.   

We can't understand all things and so become angry and reject the fact that He could be real...because in our minds, if He were real, these things would not take place. 

But the thing is, He gave us free-will.    And there are jag offs that do stupid and evil things.  And there are people that do things w/o intending to hurt others but it still can result in something terrible.  The first time you use the heroin, all you want is to get high, but later you hang yourself in a jail and your family and friends and your children are destroyed. 

I have to disagree with you on one aspect of this post, STella.

I do understand why certain things like child abuse are allowed to happen. In fact, it's the point of the rather spirited discussion that Ozmo and I have undertaken over the last month.

The wages of sin is DEATH. And, the worst part about sin is that the transgressors aren't the only ones who suffer for it. As you just mentioned, if you get strung out on dope, you can destroy your entire family. Things like child abuse happen, when people get hooked on drugs or alcohol. It also happens (far more often) when people shack up and fornicate.

How many times have we heard of a girl being sexually molested by her mother's boyfriend (especially if he ain't the girl's father)?

That is horrific, yet pointed, example of sin's effects being passed on to the next generation. She is suffering, paying the price for the sinful behavior of her mother and the boyfriend.

Just as our righteous behavior can bless us and others around us; our wicked behavior can curse us and others within our circle of influence.

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Re: Is atheism a mental disorder?
« Reply #21 on: April 09, 2009, 09:37:52 AM »
do you guys just not get the damage that religion does, the restrictions placed on non-beleiversand the impact you guys have on our lives? Look at the middle east, that is way i care about your ridiculous beliefs, unfounded in reason or logic and potentially dangerous.

we have no interest in god, but in the people that beleive in him. Also, the irraionality displayed by believers shocks me. For example intelligent design. It has been dismissed in court and proven to be nothing more then religion with no scientific backing, while evolution is the most accepted biological theory to date. Yet you guys continue to insist it is a religion and ID is a science or offers some form of answer. You guys are blind with faith and completely irrational, that is a dangerous combination. You wont listen to contradictory views or accept contrary evidence, you suggest you have all the answers and tell me im going to hell for not beleiving what you do.

Religion needs to end imo. Recent trends show it is decreasing, perhaps this is the first sign?

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Re: Is atheism a mental disorder?
« Reply #22 on: April 09, 2009, 10:08:47 AM »
do you guys just not get the damage that religion does, the restrictions placed on non-beleiversand the impact you guys have on our lives? Look at the middle east, that is way i care about your ridiculous beliefs, unfounded in reason or logic and potentially dangerous.

we have no interest in god, but in the people that beleive in him. Also, the irraionality displayed by believers shocks me. For example intelligent design. It has been dismissed in court and proven to be nothing more then religion with no scientific backing, while evolution is the most accepted biological theory to date. Yet you guys continue to insist it is a religion and ID is a science or offers some form of answer. You guys are blind with faith and completely irrational, that is a dangerous combination. You wont listen to contradictory views or accept contrary evidence, you suggest you have all the answers and tell me im going to hell for not beleiving what you do.

Religion needs to end imo. Recent trends show it is decreasing, perhaps this is the first sign?

Necrosis,

Not all Christians, not even all creationists, accept Intelligent Design as science. 

Not all Christians believe that evolution is a religion.  Actually, I have heard Christians say that some atheists live as if Atheism was a religion to them, but Christians saying that evolution is a religion?  I wasn't aware of that.

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Re: Is atheism a mental disorder?
« Reply #23 on: April 09, 2009, 10:36:54 AM »
do you guys just not get the damage that religion does, the restrictions placed on non-beleiversand the impact you guys have on our lives? Look at the middle east, that is way i care about your ridiculous beliefs, unfounded in reason or logic and potentially dangerous.

The people of the Middle East are no more dangerous than were those of ATHEISTIC Russia, under Joseph Stalin. Should atheism be cast away, based on the amount of bodies he racked up, under his regime?


we have no interest in god, but in the people that beleive in him. Also, the irraionality displayed by believers shocks me. For example intelligent design. It has been dismissed in court and proven to be nothing more then religion with no scientific backing, while evolution is the most accepted biological theory to date. Yet you guys continue to insist it is a religion and ID is a science or offers some form of answer. You guys are blind with faith and completely irrational, that is a dangerous combination. You wont listen to contradictory views or accept contrary evidence, you suggest you have all the answers and tell me im going to hell for not beleiving what you do.

This has nothing to do with Intelligent Design or evolution. But, since you want to bring it up, evolution is based on materialism/atheism, just as Creation has its Judeo-Christian roots. Both are based on philosophical/religious belief. From the earliest proponents to those of the 21st century, evolutionists have adhere to this for one simple underlying reason: It fits their philosophic mindset and end-goal, an explanation for life on earth WITHOUT any deference to a Supreme Being.

One evolutionist (and he is hardly alone) even stated, in no uncertain terms, that he believe in evolution (specifically a once-proported but now-dimissed tenet, spontaneous generation), because if he did not, the only option that remained was that of supernatural Creation, which had undesirable philosophic implications. Many of his colleagues felt the same way.

As for your blubbering about people not listening to contradictory views, I'm afraid that falls on a number of evolutionists, too, who among other things, got un-nerved when a certain organization opened its Creation Museum in Kentucky, some even resorting to filing frivolous lawsuits (bleating about "separation of church and state", despite the fact that PRIVATE FUNDS were used to build the place).

Or, take evolutionists like Eugenie Scott, who have gone so far as to suggest that scientists who believe in Creation be stripped of their Ph.Ds or not be given such in the first place. Left up to her, folks like Dr. Ben Carson (one of the greatest neuosurgeons on this planet, most recently celebrated during "Black History Month) wouldn't be able to practice medicine, not because he lacks competence or ability, but simply due to his belief that there is a God and that He created this world.

Then, there's the guy who fired in Massachusetts, Dr. Nathaniel Abraham, simply because he expressed his views on Creation, which didn't sit too well with his evolution-believing (and perhaps atheistic) boss.

Based on a number of your posts, YOU are every bit as "dangerous" as you purport people of faith to be. You ridicule and insult those who don't agree with your godless mindset. Who's to say that you wouldn't use force to impose your will onto others, should you and those of your ilk gain the might and the muscle to do so, having failed to make your case with all of your "logic" and "reason" (I refer you again to one Joseph Stalin)?


Religion needs to end imo. Recent trends show it is decreasing, perhaps this is the first sign?

Hardly!!! There are ebbs and flows to it. When/if the trend reverses, what's going to be your excuse for that?

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Re: Is atheism a mental disorder?
« Reply #24 on: April 09, 2009, 10:43:58 AM »
The people of the Middle East are no more dangerous than were those of ATHEISTIC Russia, under Joseph Stalin. Should atheism be cast away, based on the amount of bodies he racked up, under his regime?

WWI(1914 - 1918):  19,772,701 casualties
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I_casualties#References

WWII(1930s – 1945): 62,000,000 casualties
- World War II: Combatants and Casualties (1937 — 1945). Retrieved on 2007-04-20.
- Source List and Detailed Death Tolls for the Twentieth Century Hemoclysm. Retrieved on 2007-04-20.
- World War II Fatalities. Retrieved on 2007-04-20.

Joseph Stalin's Great Purge(1937 -1938): 1,200,000  casualties
- Soviet Repression Statistics: Some Comments by Historian Michael Ellman, 2002

Mao Zedong's Great Leap Forward(1958 - 1960):  43,000,000  casualties
- Peng Xizhe (彭希哲), "Demographic Consequences of the Great Leap Forward in China's Provinces," Population and Development Review 13, no. 4 (1987), 639-70.

Pol Pot's agrarian collectivization (1975 -1979): 1,700,000  casualties
- Sophal Ear (May 1995). The Khmer Rouge Canon 1975-1979: The Standard Total Academic View on Cambodia. Retrieved on 2007-11-02.In Chapter 1: Introduction
- The Cambodian Genocide Program. Retrieved on 2007-11-02.


These were not committed by ancient, primitive people and they were not inspired by religious beliefs.  These were committed by "modern civilized people" inspired by secular ideologies like Nationalism and Communism.
 
And the cause for the current, global economic crisis has nothing to do with faith in God, but it has a lot to do with greed, dishonesty, and materialism, all of which are condemned by God according to the Bible.