Once you take test or gear, will you always need it...

[EwaBeachBoy]

This nurse I know was telling me that once anyone starts juicing, that their body will always rely on it.

She was telling me that your body will never produce any on its own and people who juice will always need to have injections to make up for it.

Is this true?

[R.A.M.]

No that nurse doesn't want you to juice. With a proper PCT your body will be back to normal and you will be producing test once again.....So I hope.

[Rimbaud]

Wrong...Wrong...Wrong... 

Of course a health professional is going to tell you that.

[4thAD]

Not true. If your healthy, and run your cycles correctly you will be fine. Has there ever been anybody that was shut down permanently? Probably, but not likely what so ever.

[shrek]

Not true. If your healthy, and run your cycles correctly you will be fine. Has there ever been anybody that was shut down permanently? Probably, but not likely what so ever.

the only case i have seen in main stream is Jose cansaco he is now clean and the docs said they have never encountered a subject that has been on for 20 years so time will tell what happens and we will all learn alot from him good or bad

[muscle19]

i think being on consistantly can hurt your chances from recoverybut our bodies are very complex smart pieces of work, im sure with time expecially, you can always recover

[elite_lifter]

homeostasis. nuff said.

[Rimbaud]

It's kind of like asking a doctor: "Is it ok if I shoot smack on weekends? I like to party a little." 

[MuscleMcMannus]

Come on guys let's be honest.  Most people have a very limited background in steroids, including doctors and healthcare professionals.  However, obvioulsy a scare tactic, this nurse wasn't too far off in her opinion.  One thing I find very ignorant on these forums and among steroid using bodybuilders is their constant downplaying of the side effects.  Every other post on the forums is about getting it up, sex drive, post cycle depression, yadda yadda.  To say you can run a little pct and you'll be fine is wishful thinking.  Yes pct can help and everyone is different but steroids will shut you down and for many will shut you down hard.  Most guys never come off long enough to find out in my opinion.  Steroid use is a perpetual cycle for most guys.  You do one cycle yes you'll get big and you may even keep most of your gains.  But eventually you'll lose most of if not all of those gains.  It may take weeks or it may take months.  But they will go away.  Steroids are only temporary.  Most guys, even some in this thread, can't admit that because it's a huge blow to their reality. 

I find this whole issue akin to women and their eating disorders.  Everyone knows there are problems but none of them like to talk about it.  Why do you think viagra is so fucking popular among sources.  I know guys that are yo yo steroid users and they can't function without their viagra.  No not all guys react to steroids but a lot do.  Post cycle depression is also very real.  Like one poster said......homeostasis nuff said!  Steroids are like everything else in bodybuilding you quit eating you'll shrink, you quit training you'll shrink, you quit taking drugs you'll shrink.  This is a lifestyle not a means to an end. 

[MuscleMcMannus]

Not true. If your healthy, and run your cycles correctly you will be fine. Has there ever been anybody that was shut down permanently? Probably, but not likely what so ever.

There are many guys that jump from cycle to cycle and when they finally come off and clean out have to end up going on HRT.  This isn't a scare tactic it's the truth.  It's rare among the guy that does one or two cycles here and there and takes significant time off between cycles but guys that cycle for years on end with very little time for their hormonal system to recover have long term and often permanent problems. 

[Luv2Hurt]

Come on guys let's be honest.  Most people have a very limited background in steroids, including doctors and healthcare professionals.  However, obvioulsy a scare tactic, this nurse wasn't too far off in her opinion.  One thing I find very ignorant on these forums and among steroid using bodybuilders is their constant downplaying of the side effects.  Every other post on the forums is about getting it up, sex drive, post cycle depression, yadda yadda.  To say you can run a little pct and you'll be fine is wishful thinking.  Yes pct can help and everyone is different but steroids will shut you down and for many will shut you down hard.  Most guys never come off long enough to find out in my opinion.  Steroid use is a perpetual cycle for most guys.  You do one cycle yes you'll get big and you may even keep most of your gains.  But eventually you'll lose most of if not all of those gains.  It may take weeks or it may take months.  But they will go away.  Steroids are only temporary.  Most guys, even some in this thread, can't admit that because it's a huge blow to their reality. 

I find this whole issue akin to women and their eating disorders.  Everyone knows there are problems but none of them like to talk about it.  Why do you think viagra is so fucking popular among sources.  I know guys that are yo yo steroid users and they can't function without their viagra.  No not all guys react to steroids but a lot do.  Post cycle depression is also very real.  Like one poster said......homeostasis nuff said!  Steroids are like everything else in bodybuilding you quit eating you'll shrink, you quit training you'll shrink, you quit taking drugs you'll shrink.  This is a lifestyle not a means to an end. 

Quoted for truth.

All very well written and great insight.  I have been saying this also for a while and most have told me Iam wacked and totally wrong.

[Overload]

i used for years with very few breaks in between, at one point i was on for almost 2 years straight. i quit using AAS 2 years ago this summer and it took my body 8 months to get test levels back within normal range. all i did for PCT was clomid/nolva and i was using HCG E5D 250iu the last 6 weeks of my final cycle.

i do know a few guys who are on HRT after using AAS for years, but they never gave their body that 8 months after AAS use to recover.

I think what Mc said is very true, these drugs are taken too lightly, but i think with careful use a person can prevent permanent shutdown. i know a few guys who juiced way harder and longer than i did and their natural test came back in about a year after they quit using.

[StackedDec]

Thank you for confirming all of our suspicions that nurses are fucking stupid.

[4thAD]

There are many guys that jump from cycle to cycle and when they finally come off and clean out have to end up going on HRT.  This isn't a scare tactic it's the truth.  It's rare among the guy that does one or two cycles here and there and takes significant time off between cycles but guys that cycle for years on end with very little time for their hormonal system to recover have long term and often permanent problems. 

Yes you are correct, but that's not proper cycling either as I mentioned above. Most guys are also not running HCG while on cycle which will aid in recovery during PCT. I was reading the OP as meaning the first cycle, or the first couple of cycles being dependent on steroids. very unlikely if that was the meaning of the post, but you speak truth.

 If someone would like to see a real life example of some one getting smaller and shrinking after gear use stops just look at Kevin Levrone. This is in no way a shot at Kevin, but its what happens when you come off.

[shrek]

Yes you are correct, but that's not proper cycling either as I mentioned above. Most guys are also not running HCG while on cycle which will aid in recovery during PCT. I was reading the OP as meaning the first cycle, or the first couple of cycles being dependent on steroids. very unlikely if that was the meaning of the post, but you speak truth.

 If someone would like to see a real life example of some one getting smaller and shrinking after gear use stops just look at Kevin Levrone. This is in no way a shot at Kevin, but its what happens when you come off.

hes in descent shape just small but flex wheeler wow how the juice made a difference with him but then you can look at guys like louie not sure if he he is off but he sure isnt juicing near half of wht he did before and he looks great......

[MuscleMcMannus]

Yes you are correct, but that's not proper cycling either as I mentioned above. Most guys are also not running HCG while on cycle which will aid in recovery during PCT. I was reading the OP as meaning the first cycle, or the first couple of cycles being dependent on steroids. very unlikely if that was the meaning of the post, but you speak truth.

 If someone would like to see a real life example of some one getting smaller and shrinking after gear use stops just look at Kevin Levrone. This is in no way a shot at Kevin, but its what happens when you come off.

  Guys that run HCG throughout their cycles end up with the same type of problems after a while.  The body adapts to the supraphysiological doses of HCG. 

[Exal]

Running 500-1000iu of HCG throughout a cycle will help more than it hurts, yes the body always adapts to any exogenous hormones, but your hpta is shut down anyways when you are using test, so the HCG won't cause any imminent problems..

The problem is when people use it the wrong way for PCT using huge dosages that cause spikes in test, and therefor also in estrogen, which regulates to hpta to keep being shut down.

HCG should be used as a measure to keep your leydig cells alive, and your balls big and functional during and right after the cycle, so that your recovery is as fast as possible.

No matter how you put it, it is easier for the body to deal with testicles that havn't atrophied than it is with ones that have. Also if you kept your balls alive during the cycle, they will be ready to produces hormones alot faster.

Just my 2c

[efanhowz]

+1 for mcmannus post. guys on boards do play down the side effects of coming off. coming off obviously sucks and post cycle depression is real. the whole bigorexia thing comes into play so once guys see themselves a certain size, they never want to become smaller than that so staying on permantly becomes a reality for these dudes. so i would say steroids arent physically addicting like hard drugs, but the resulting affects from them are (ie: getting big)

[elite_lifter]

"STEROIDS ARE THE FINISHING TOUCH" Bob Cicherillo   

[4thAD]

+1 for mcmannus post. guys on boards do play down the side effects of coming off. coming off obviously sucks and post cycle depression is real. the whole bigorexia thing comes into play so once guys see themselves a certain size, they never want to become smaller than that so staying on permantly becomes a reality for these dudes. so i would say steroids arent physically addicting like hard drugs, but the resulting affects from them are (ie: getting big)

Yes it is for some, but definitely not all. I don't even think the majority. I personally have never experienced one ounce of depression, off or on!

The original post IMO was not pointed at guys that juice and never come off. The OP's question was: "Once you take test or gear, will you always need it..." The answer is a simple very probably not. Not even very likely. If you stay on and destroy your body, obviously you can do damage. Cycle responsibly, and use the proper ancillaries and you will more than likely recover. Obviously there always risks in this game.

[dustin]

You won't NEED to stay on, but I guarantee that you'll WANT to stay on. I'm sure that just about everyone here has thoughts about it every now and again (or every day lol)

[4thAD]

You won't NEED to stay on, but I guarantee that you'll WANT to stay on. I'm sure that just about everyone here has thoughts about it every now and again (or every day lol)

Its def tempting.

[DIVISION]

This nurse I know was telling me that once anyone starts juicing, that their body will always rely on it.

She was telling me that your body will never produce any on its own and people who juice will always need to have injections to make up for it.

Is this true?

I think you need to do some reading on your own.

These questions could be answered by reading a few books.

Llewellyn's book is a good read for a newbie like you.

For someone who wants to know about AAS, you don't do alot of research on your own.


DIV

[shrek]

I think you need to do some reading on your own.

These questions could be answered by reading a few books.

Llewellyn's book is a good read for a newbie like you.

For someone who wants to know about AAS, you don't do alot of research on your own.


DIV

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[DIVISION]

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