BN HAS ADDRESSED THIS IN THE PM FORUM.. but, i am sure he would tell ya that he was doing very high dosages and high orals.. he takes full responsibility for abusing the gear.. he just pushed too hard.. he does tell of his dosages somewhere in that thread.. they are very high.. and it was not his first cycle.. bn is a great guy and , as i stated, he takes responsibility for his actions.. there is use.. and there is abuse.. like many, he crossed that line.. and learned from it..