Is there a 9/11 Conspriracy? YES!

[OzmO]

So it is then a conspiracy that goes beyond 19 guys?

That's a conspiracy theory, dude.

If they had state or pvt funding, then bad guys are sitll on the loose and it was certainly more than the 911 commish reports.

And if its the case, why not investigate or even question those with knowledge to invest heavily right before?  (A from 911 commission: Because we only looked at Al-Q).  WTF?

By definition its hard to see those 19 hijackers acted completely on their own and that there was not one the person or entity involved.


con⋅spir⋅a⋅cy
   /kənˈspɪrəsi/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [kuhn-spir-uh-see] Show IPA
–noun, plural -cies.
1.    the act of conspiring.
2.    an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot.
3.    a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose: He joined the conspiracy to overthrow the government.
4.    Law. an agreement by two or more persons to commit a crime, fraud, or other wrongful act.
5.    any concurrence in action; combination in bringing about a given result.

[240 is Back]

Yes, the definition of "conspiracy" is skewed in a major way.

It was a conspiracy by definition.

pakistan pays $100k to 15 saudis to blow stuff up.  We invade afghanistan.

[OzmO]

Yes, the definition of "conspiracy" is skewed in a major way.

It was a conspiracy by definition.

It might be, but it is what it is.

There was a 9/11 conspiracy.

[SAMSON123]

You need to watch the documentary Mohammed Atta and the Venice Flying Circus to answer all questions regarding Mohammed Atta and the INVISIBLE terrorist...

[OzmO]

You need to watch the documentary Mohammed Atta and the Venice Flying Circus to answer all questions regarding Mohammed Atta and the INVISIBLE terrorist...

huh?

[Howard]

By definition its hard to see those 19 hijackers acted completely on their own and that there was not one the person or entity involved.


con⋅spir⋅a⋅cy
   /kənˈspɪrəsi/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [kuhn-spir-uh-see] Show IPA
–noun, plural -cies.
1.    the act of conspiring.
2.    an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot.
3.    a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose: He joined the conspiracy to overthrow the government.
4.    Law. an agreement by two or more persons to commit a crime, fraud, or other wrongful act.
5.    any concurrence in action; combination in bringing about a given result.

It is not the kind of "conspiracy" that some like to think of, all neat and planned.
Please consider that 15 of the 19 hijackers were Sauid's, Bin Ladin is a Saudi.
Who has the largest oil export business ? Yup, the Saudi's
If the Saudi royal family sits back and lets some wackos do their dirty work, they can and did make a ton of cash from the oil $$. Simple idea here. Allow some terror attack to destabilize the US economy. Help the Iraq propoganda along as well and you get the US to squash your biggest threat in the region...Iraq.
The Sauid's got a big bennefit from 9/11 and I think were the cause.

[George Whorewell]

Howard's theory actually makes sense. 240 and Samson pay attention, you might learn something. 

[Hugo Chavez]

You need to watch the documentary Mohammed Atta and the Venice Flying Circus to answer all questions regarding Mohammed Atta and the INVISIBLE terrorist...

good documentry.

[Hugo Chavez]

what the hell is the argument in this thread?

[George Whorewell]

Hugo you girl- For the second time- Who is that hot slut in your avatar?  

[MB_722]

looks like her name is Katia

[Hugo Chavez]

Katia Corriveau

[240 is Back]

Howard's theory actually makes sense. 240 and Samson pay attention, you might learn something. 

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if the saudis were behind it, and bush didn't spank them, then he really didn't serve america well, now did he?

[IFBBwannaB]

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if the saudis were behind it, and bush didn't spank them, then he really didn't serve america well, now did he?

How do you relate this post to your loony toons theories , should Newton come and spank you?

[George Whorewell]

240- I don't think you need a PHD to figure out that at least some of the Saudi's were behind the attack. What was Bush supposed to do? Invade Saudi Arabia and shut down the worlds oil supply? There are hundreds of princes and other "royal" relations that are literally billionares- Which one helped Bin Laden, who the hell knows. No one there took responsibility and their government is cooperative with us behind the scenes.

Also- Dont be naive. Invading Saudi Arabia would not only alienate the entire rest of the worlds governments, but would 110% cause a massive backlash that would probably lead to WW3 and shut down our economy.

[240 is Back]

240- I don't think you need a PHD to figure out that at least some of the Saudi's were behind the attack. What was Bush supposed to do? Invade Saudi Arabia and shut down the worlds oil supply? There are hundreds of princes and other "royal" relations that are literally billionares- Which one helped Bin Laden, who the hell knows. No one there took responsibility and their government is cooperative with us behind the scenes.

Also- Dont be naive. Invading Saudi Arabia would not only alienate the entire rest of the worlds governments, but would 110% cause a massive backlash that would probably lead to WW3 and shut down our economy.

I see.

So, to be clear with your point...

Bush didn't let 911 happen... but he did let some of those responsible get away with it?

is that your position, George?

[OzmO]

Because Saudis were involved their government was behind it?

[Hugo Chavez]

ozmo, what the hell is the point of this thread?  I don't get it.  There's some issue with the term conspiracy?

[OzmO]

ozmo, what the hell is the point of this thread?  I don't get it.  There's some issue with the term conspiracy?

No, no issue with the term.  Although some have alluded to having an issue with it.  I don't.

What i find is that in discussing/debating with some people on 9/11 is that they refer to impossibility of 19 hijackers doing it by themselves.  Which is obvious.  And there fore 9/11 is a conspiracy based on the definition.  However that is far different from saying a missile hit the pentagon. 

In other words, i want to highlight the distinction between those to "theories" that both fall under the same definition. 

[George Whorewell]

240 obviously has a reading comprehension problem. Everyone knows the Saudi's fund terrorism. Who exactly in Saudi Arabia- with hundreds of billonaire relatives getting money from oil, is another question. Being that nobody took responsibility for the terrorist funding of 911- (No one ever would) we didn't invade Saudi Arabia and we went after the muscle instead of the money.

I dont think this constitutes a conspiracy- its just common sense. No missles, no fucking TNT wired in the building or any of this other garbage. A terrorist organization funded by someone in Saudi Arabia took the towers down.  Ozmo is 100% right.

[Decker]

Jesus Christ.

Of Course the attacks of 9/11 were a conspiracy.  Legally you need to show an agreement btn 2 or more people to break the law ( and sometimes, an affirmative step to that end).

There were 19 guys working in unison to hijack airplanes.  Doesn't get more conspiratorial than that.

End of story.

Now there's the speculation about 9/11 which is wrongly labeled 'conspiracy'.  That's another matter.

[Hugo Chavez]

Jesus Christ.

Of Course the attacks of 9/11 were a conspiracy.  Legally you need to show an agreement btn 2 or more people to break the law ( and sometimes, an affirmative step to that end).

There were 19 guys working in unison to hijack airplanes.  Doesn't get more conspiratorial than that.

End of story.

Now there's the speculation about 9/11 which is wrongly labeled 'conspiracy'.  That's another matter.

exactly, I still don't get what ozmo is getting at for sure.

but speculation on a suggested conspiracy like that which goes on with 9/11 is a conspiracy theory or open to conspiracy.

I think the term conspiracy theory gets a bad rap.  How many times does the prosecution have a conspiracy theory?  Anytime they're trying to make a case that 2 or more conspired to...  They build a theory and attempt to support that with testimony and evidence.  That's really all that a person with a CT is doing but they're not in a courtroom.  Even the media is into conspiracy theories.  I've watched a lot of investigative journalism over the years that suggested conspiracy which led to legit investigations and people facing conspiracy charges among other charges.  The only difference with 9/11 is that the major media won't touch that even though there is a pretty large public demand.

[OzmO]

exactly, I still don't get what ozmo is getting at for sure.

but speculation on a suggested conspiracy like that which goes on with 9/11 is a conspiracy theory or open to conspiracy.

I think the term conspiracy theory gets a bad rap.  How many times does the prosecution have a conspiracy theory?  Anytime they're trying to make a case that 2 or more conspired to...  They build a theory and attempt to support that with testimony and evidence.  That's really all that a person with a CT is doing but they're not in a courtroom. 

Exactly, but there's a distinction between CT's.  19 Hijackers had help versus the WTC wired with thermite

Even the media is into conspiracy theories.  I've watched a lot of investigative journalism over the years that suggested conspiracy which led to legit investigations and people facing conspiracy charges among other charges.

The media is into conspiracy theories because they sell advertising.  Americans love CT's.

The only difference with 9/11 is that the major media won't touch that even though there is a pretty large public demand.

Doesn't seem to be otherwise the movement would be much larger.  I think most people, as I've outlined, see it 2 different ways. 

1.  19 hijackers had help
2.  Missiles into the pentagon, WTC wired with thermite, etc...

I think most people dismiss the later as ridiculous.  Of course there's many that don't.  But it's a very small part of it.

Then there's the larger group pf people that have many unanswered questions, that perhaps see the official report as a cover up for massive intelligence failures, trails to other governments, etc... 

In time , there will be a "investigative journalism" piece on the 9/11 cover ups.  Bush and his boys just got out of office.   

[240 is Back]

2 different ways. 

1.  19 hijackers had help
2.  Missiles into the pentagon, WTC wired with thermite, etc...

Here's the problem.

How much "help" did they have from certain Americans?

Transportation Secretary Norman minetta testifying that Cheney was told the object was 40, 30, 20, 10 miles out by an aide, and screaming "Yes, of course the order still stands, did you hear anything different?"

What was that order? 

[OzmO]

Here's the problem.

How much "help" did they have from certain Americans?

Transportation Secretary Norman minetta testifying that Cheney was told the object was 40, 30, 20, 10 miles out by an aide, and screaming "Yes, of course the order still stands, did you hear anything different?"

What was that order? 

Or if they had any help at all.