Palin's father: Levi not helping pay for baby care

[tu_holmes]

HOW DARE GOV. PALIN DEMAND THAT THIS "MAN" ACTUALLY TAKE CARE OF HIS OWN CHILD!!!

Levi should have thought about all that, before he decided to get some booty from Bristol.

It amazes me that some people participate in the reproductive process then ACTUALLY ACT SURPRISED, when it works and they end up with children.

Dude... Do you realize what child support entails?

Obviously not.

They take both parents income and then do some math... Take into account the living environment and all of the above, do some more math.

Because she lives with her mom, and neither of them have jobs... His percentage of child support won't be much.

I'd bet less than 100 bucks a month.

You think that's a big deal to a woman who lives with her mom in a Governors mansion?

Ok... Sure... let him pay the 50 bucks a month he'd owe... You don't really get it do you.

[LurkerNoMore]

Actually child support is a bit more complicated than that.

It doesn't matter how much you make.  It all depends on what is judged "fair" in terms of expenses for weekly support of the said child.  If weekly expenses are estimated at $85 per week, that is what you pay, no matter if you make that much or not.  If you can't afford it, you get a better job or another job until you can.

Because Bristol is living with her parents and not working is not a plus for him.  Only a negative.  Because now she will claim that she has to pay for day care while she finishes school.  She will most likely move out and hit him with an extra percentage to cover.  And so on...

When he complains she won't let him take the baby anywhere, I have no sympathy for him.  He hasn't earned it.  Legally she doesn't even have to let him set eyes on the child.  He wants to take the baby away to other places, let him do it properly.

First he has to go through the process of legitimation of the child.  (forgot what the proper legal term for this was.)  Just having his name on the birth certificate as the father isn't good enough.  He has to first legitimately establish himself as the father.  (Since they were not married this is required)

Second step is he has to go to court and request visitation rights.  Unless of course both parties agree outside of the court what is proper and fair and then have a judge rule on it without the bother of going through a trial and such.  Once he gets visitation rights she can't do anything to stop him outside of further legal action.

Third, because of #2 above, he is going to have to pay child support.  If he doesn't want to pay child support then he won't get visitation rights.  Catch 22 but it will make him man up and take responsibility. 

For once, I agree with Palin for demanding he do this.  Dude is like a fucktard on tv going on and on about how he isn't allowed to do anything when he doesn't even have any legal right to do so.

[MCWAY]

Dude... Do you realize what child support entails?

Obviously not.

They take both parents income and then do some math... Take into account the living environment and all of the above, do some more math.

Because she lives with her mom, and neither of them have jobs... His percentage of child support won't be much.

I'd bet less than 100 bucks a month.

You think that's a big deal to a woman who lives with her mom in a Governors mansion?

Ok... Sure... let him pay the 50 bucks a month he'd owe... You don't really get it do you.

Dude!! I'm married and a father of three. I know FIRSTHAND the expense of childcare.

It doesn't matter how much money Gov. Palin makes. That ain't Gov. Palin's child; it's LEVI'S child, pure and simple.

It's called EMPLOYMENT. He needs to get off his blessed assurance and take care of his child. Cut grass; flip burgers; do telemarketing; something.

The income of his child's maternal grandmother doesn't abdicate him of his responsibiltiy one bit.

[240 is Back]

levi said he gets no overnight visits or time unsupervised.

[tu_holmes]

levi said he gets no overnight visits or time unsupervised.

So why would he pay child support?

[240 is Back]

So why would he pay child support?

it's his child.  so he should.

But then again, most of the time he'd get weekends and 2 weeks of summer visitation annual. 

is it fair to make the kid pay when he isn't allowed to have the child overnight?  Or, did they take that away because he didn't pay?  He said he's never been allowed.  Hmmm

[2ND COMING]

So why would he pay child support?

seriously man?

[tu_holmes]

seriously man?

Yes seriously... Men have ZERO rights when it comes to kids in today's society and I find it appalling.

So YES, I am dead serious... If a dad gets no say, then he shouldn't have to pay. It's completely different if he's trying to run out, but if he's trying to be involved, as Levi says he is, then I don't think he should have to pay a dime.

If they want to keep the baby away from him, then fuck them.

He should sue the shit out of them for everything those neo-cooks have.

[2ND COMING]

Yes seriously... Men have ZERO rights when it comes to kids in today's society and I find it appalling.

look, the law is simple, you have a kid, you put in your share help out. Now what the palins are doing is bs. How can they do that? 

My dad barely(to put it lightly) paid is share of child support for me and my 2 sisters. He believed tht if we didt live with him, he shouldnt have to pay squat. <<<I AGREE HERE. BUT  its the law, now as a result of him being a bum...his social security is getting hit. He knew this before hand...youre not gonna change the law by bitching about it. Pay for yor kid or suffer down the road.

[Dos Equis]

Of course this deadbeat should support his kid.  Any "man" who has to be forced by the courts to support his child is a straight up punk. 

[240 is Back]

Of course this deadbeat should support his kid.  Any "man" who has to be forced by the courts to support his child is a straight up punk. 

Dude, you're accusing palin of being a poor judge of character.

She was suckered into proudly endorsing an engagement between this "punk" as you put it, with her own daughter.

(You can say she didn't know until later that he was a deadbeat... in which case we have to assume she saw the myspace underage drinking pics and unprotected sex with her underage daughter... and decided he was a worthy suitor then)

[Dos Equis]

Dude, you're accusing palin of being a poor judge of character.

She was suckered into proudly endorsing an engagement between this "punk" as you put it, with her own daughter.

(You can say she didn't know until later that he was a deadbeat... in which case we have to assume she saw the myspace underage drinking pics and unprotected sex with her underage daughter... and decided he was a worthy suitor then)

Actually I'm just questioning the manhood of deadbeat dads.  But don't let that stop you from just making stuff up, as you routinely do. 

[tonymctones]

Yes seriously... Men have ZERO rights when it comes to kids in today's society and I find it appalling.

So YES, I am dead serious... If a dad gets no say, then he shouldn't have to pay. It's completely different if he's trying to run out, but if he's trying to be involved, as Levi says he is, then I don't think he should have to pay a dime.

If they want to keep the baby away from him, then fuck them.

He should sue the shit out of them for everything those neo-cooks have.

actually apart from the regular ignorant bi partisan shit spewed in this post i agree with holmes...

I dont think guys should have the right to not pay child support but they should pay less if its made clear through legal documents that the guy didnt want the women to have the baby. Sorry fellas the way guys get treated in these situations isnt fair, a women can get an abortion even if the man doesnt want one, why cant the man choose to have nothing to do with the child? Now being that is a child and not a non living entity some assistance should be given but it should be severly less if the guy doesnt want it...Personal responsibility is a different at times i think if this were allowed it would influence women to use more birth control and take matters into their own hands.

[Dos Equis]

actually apart from the regular ignorant bi partisan shit spewed in this post i agree with holmes...

I dont think guys should have the right to not pay child support but they should pay less if its made clear through legal documents that the guy didnt want the women to have the baby. Sorry fellas the way guys get treated in these situations isnt fair, a women can get an abortion even if the man doesnt want one, why cant the man choose to have nothing to do with the child? Now being that is a child and not a non living entity some assistance should be given but it should be severly less if the guy doesnt want it...Personal responsibility is a different at times i think if this were allowed it would influence women to use more birth control and take matters into their own hands.

I really disagree tony.  If a man doesn't want to have a baby he shouldn't have sex.  Once a man chooses to do the deed, he accepts the consequences of his actions, which include making a baby.  That's what personal responsibility is all about.   

[240 is Back]

I really disagree tony.  If a man doesn't want to have a baby he shouldn't have sex.  Once a man chooses to do the deed, he accepts the consequences of his actions, which include making a baby.  That's what personal responsibility is all about.   

yeah i gotta agree with this.

males know how society works.  Things aren't fair to men, but then again we don't have to carry the baby for 9 months either.

if you have sex, you gotta be ready to deal with the consequences. 

[tonymctones]

I really disagree tony.  If a man doesn't want to have a baby he shouldn't have sex.  Once a man chooses to do the deed, he accepts the consequences of his actions, which include making a baby.  That's what personal responsibility is all about.   

then abortion shouldnt be allowed at all under those circumstances...women dont make the same choice? they do make the same choice fact of the matter is that women have options and men dont.

[tonymctones]

yeah i gotta agree with this.

males know how society works.  Things aren't fair to men, but then again we don't have to carry the baby for 9 months either.

if you have sex, you gotta be ready to deal with the consequences. 

I hope you are pro life, although i gotta say i wouldnt be suprised if you werent...

then abortion shouldnt be allowed at all under those circumstances...women dont make the same choice? they do make the same choice fact of the matter is that women have options and men dont.

[240 is Back]

I hope you are pro life, although i gotta say i wouldnt be suprised if you werent...

I am.
I'm also pro-gun, anti-welfare, and most other repub/conservative domestic positions.  I'm also all for the wars, if it means the US gets bases and oil in order to preserve our way of life.

Of course, since I won't slurp the 2008 mccain/palin ticket, you consider me a lib.  It's a shame you put me and that scumbag sarandon and others in the same column.  You're misinformed.

[2ND COMING]

hey tony hows that oxygenated water workin out for ya 

[tu_holmes]

then abortion shouldnt be allowed at all under those circumstances...women dont make the same choice? they do make the same choice fact of the matter is that women have options and men dont.

As much as I tend to be pro-choice... I agree... If it's this kind of circumstance. Guys have ZERO rights when it comes to what happens after the conception.

For those people that say "he chose to sleep with her". Well whoop dee doo... She chose to sleep with him too, but after it's all said and done... She has MORE rights then he does... How is that at all respective of "equality" in America?

[24KT]

Yes seriously... Men have ZERO rights when it comes to kids in today's society and I find it appalling.

So YES, I am dead serious... If a dad gets no say, then he shouldn't have to pay. It's completely different if he's trying to run out, but if he's trying to be involved, as Levi says he is, then I don't think he should have to pay a dime.

If they want to keep the baby away from him, then fuck them.

He should sue the shit out of them for everything those neo-cooks have.

Tu, child support is just that... support of the child. It's not paid access. You make a kid, ...you support it. Period.
Whether you have access to it, or a say in how they're raised. It works both ways whether you're a man or a woman.

[tonymctones]

I am.
I'm also pro-gun, anti-welfare, and most other repub/conservative domestic positions.  I'm also all for the wars, if it means the US gets bases and oil in order to preserve our way of life.

Of course, since I won't slurp the 2008 mccain/palin ticket, you consider me a lib.  It's a shame you put me and that scumbag sarandon and others in the same column.  You're misinformed.

LOL a pro gun advocate who calls ppl who bought guns, gun nuts?   an anti welfare advocate that campaigned for a guy who is trying to grow the welfare and other social programs?   A pro war advocate that criticized bush for years about iraq?   Your actions speak much much louder then your words 240, honestly bro i wouldnt want you on the conservative side of things just stay on the left bro.

[240 is Back]

to be crude, there are a lot of things you can do sexually which don't lead to a baby.

if you get a girl pregnant, you are highly irresponsible.

from the myspace pics showing underage drinking, we can see levi was irresponsible.

the worlds ain't fair when it comes to parenting, but you know that going in.

[tu_holmes]

Tu, child support is just that... support of the child. It's not paid access. You make a kid, ...you support it. Period.
Whether you have access to it, or a say in how they're raised. It works both ways whether you're a man or a woman.

I don't know what planet you live on... but the legal system does not work "both ways".

Child support is directly related to custody which is NEVER equal.

[tonymctones]

hey tony hows that oxygenated water workin out for ya 

LOL never tried it, i did video myself squating 405 at around 198 probably a little lower actually naturally, hows your working out going?  

As much as I tend to be pro-choice... I agree... If it's this kind of circumstance. Guys have ZERO rights when it comes to what happens after the conception.

For those people that say "he chose to sleep with her". Well whoop dee doo... She chose to sleep with him too, but after it's all said and done... She has MORE rights then he does... How is that at all respective of "equality" in America?

exactly another double standard