Palin's father: Levi not helping pay for baby care

[tonymctones]

to be crude, there are a lot of things you can do sexually which don't lead to a baby.

if you get a girl pregnant, you are highly irresponsible.

from the myspace pics showing underage drinking, we can see levi was irresponsible.

the worlds ain't fair when it comes to parenting, but you know that going in.

not YOU, its THEY and you dont seem to understand the women is just as responsible but she gets all the options.

[24KT]

As much as I tend to be pro-choice... I agree... If it's this kind of circumstance. Guys have ZERO rights when it comes to what happens after the conception.

That's why it's soooo important to choose wisely PRE-conception.

For those people that say "he chose to sleep with her". Well whoop dee doo... She chose to sleep with him too, but after it's all said and done... She has MORE rights then he does... How is that at all respective of "equality" in America?

There is no equality, ...and there never will be... not as long as SHE is the one with the uterus that houses and feeds, and carries the child for 9 months, then gives birth to it. Find a way for a man to carry a child to term, then give birth, ...and you might have a chance at providing men with more say POST-conception. Until then, nothing changes.

[240 is Back]

LOL a pro gun advocate who calls ppl who bought guns, gun nuts?   an anti welfare advocate that campaigned for a guy who is trying to grow the welfare and other social programs?   A pro war advocate that criticized bush for years about iraq?   Your actions speak much much louder then your words 240, honestly bro i wouldnt want you on the conservative side of things just stay on the left bro.

people who paid outrageous gun prices in 2009 to buy shit that was 40% cheaper a year earlier = idiots.

people who want welfare but won't work = idiots.

people who believe and regurgitate "we're only in iraq to help the iraqis, not for oil" = idiots.

people who said Palin was qualified = idiots.

people who believe 100% of the 911 story = idiots.

people who don't think bush lied every day of his presidency = idiots.

I never 'campaigned' for obama, but i recognize the need to spend 4 years fixing our domestic mess before the dollar crashes.  bush could have strengthened the dollar beyond belief.  instead he chose to borrow 5 tril and put obama in a shitty hole with tumbling employment.

[tu_holmes]

not YOU, its THEY and you dont seem to understand the women is just as responsible but she gets all the options.

Exactly... It's always "the guys" fault she gets knocked up.

It's total crap.

That's why it's soooo important to choose wisely PRE-conception.

There is no equality, ...and there never will be... not as long as SHE is the one with the uterus that houses and feeds, and carries the child for 9 months, then gives birth to it. Find a way for a man to carry a child to term, then give birth, ...and you might have a chance at providing men with more say POST-conception. Until then, nothing changes.

Why? It's not the man's fault he doesn't carry it... It's nature... Ask any man and they would gladly carry the kid for 9 months and birth it if it meant the female had to pay for the child for the rest of his / her life.

Again... It's bullshit and it shows that women don't want equality in the world... They want special treatment and the pussies around the globe give it to them.

[2ND COMING]

LOL never tried it, i did video myself squating 405 at around 198 probably a little lower actually naturally, hows your working out going?  

i know people who bench 405 at 200 pounds, nice low top chucks btw hahah!

[24KT]

I don't know what planet you live on... but the legal system does not work "both ways".

Child support is directly related to custody which is NEVER equal.

I live in the same world you do. It's also the same world Coach does (legislatively speaking anyway)
Doesn't he have custody, as well as an order of child support from one of his ex-wifes?

I know plenty of men who have primary custody of their kids. It doesn't always go to the mother.

[tonymctones]

i know people who bench 405 at 200 pounds, nice low top chucks btw hahah!

hahah thanks, well seeing as i dont really squat i feel its pretty good, i think if i hadnt hurt my shoulder id be around 400 on bench right now and again im 100% natural...again hows YOUR working out going? dont worry ill get a 450+ dead lift vid for you this week too(in the low top chucks of course)

[Dos Equis]

Exactly... It's always "the guys" fault she gets knocked up.

It's total crap.

Why? It's not the man's fault he doesn't carry it... It's nature... Ask any man and they would gladly carry the kid for 9 months and birth it if it meant the female had to pay for the child for the rest of his / her life.

Again... It's bullshit and it shows that women don't want equality in the world... They want special treatment and the pussies around the globe give it to them.

Aren't you overstating things a bit?  You don't know any man who has custody of his kids?  I do.  You haven't heard of a man paying a "fair" amount of child support?  I have.  That doesn't mean the system always gets it right, but so it never works is inaccurate.  

[2ND COMING]

it usually always goes to the mother if she has the means to take care of it. If both parents have a stable situation at home...99% of the time the mother gets custody

[24KT]

Exactly... It's always "the guys" fault she gets knocked up.

It's total crap.

Why? It's not the man's fault he doesn't carry it... It's nature... Ask any man and they would gladly carry the kid for 9 months and birth it if it meant the female had to pay for the child for the rest of his / her life.

Again... It's bullshit and it shows that women don't want equality in the world... They want special treatment and the pussies around the globe give it to them.

"The fault dear Brutus is not in our stars, ...it's in ourselves" -- some old dead Greek guy.   

Sounds to me like your argument is with Mother Nature. Take it up with her. 

[tu_holmes]

I live in the same world you do. It's also the same world Coach does (legislatively speaking anyway)
Doesn't he have custody, as well as an order of child support from one of his ex-wifes?

I know plenty of men who have primary custody of their kids. It doesn't always go to the mother.

Aren't you overstating things a bit?  You don't know any man who has custody of his kids?  I do.  You haven't heard of a man paying a "fair" amount of child support?  I have.  That doesn't mean the system always gets it right, but so it never works is inaccurate.  

Beach, you can read this too, since you decided I was "over stating" things.


http://alexgrim.com/?a=Reform_Child_Support

Women get awarded custody 90.1 percent of the time.


Men get awarded child support 22.9 percent of the time... Women get it 41.6 percent of the time... Almost double.


Of JOINT custody hearings women get child support a whopping 93.6% of the time.

You can look at the site, but it's all true... women who get custody and child support work less while fathers who get custody work more to sustain the children.

Bottom line, child support is extortion.

[tonymctones]

"The fault dear Brutus is not in our stars, ...it's in ourselves" -- some old dead Greek guy.   

Sounds to me like your argument is with Mother Nature. Take it up with her. 

jag the fact that the women carries the baby has nothing to do with the fact that women have all the options and men have none. How do you not understand that and how could you for a second think its fair?

[tu_holmes]

"The fault dear Brutus is not in our stars, ...it's in ourselves" -- some old dead Greek guy.  

Sounds to me like your argument is with Mother Nature. Take it up with her. 

No, it's with the system... because the system is biased.

You, being a woman who wants special treatment are of course going to side with it... I would expect nothing less, but don't act like you're just being unbiased... The statistics are on my side... Not yours.

Yours is simple bias.

[Dos Equis]

Beach, you can read this too, since you decided I was "over stating" things.


http://alexgrim.com/?a=Reform_Child_Support

Women get awarded custody 90.1 percent of the time.


Men get awarded child support 22.9 percent of the time... Women get it 41.6 percent of the time... Almost double.


Of JOINT custody hearings women get child support a whopping 93.6% of the time.

You can look at the site, but it's all true... women who get custody and child support work less while fathers who get custody work more to sustain the children.

Bottom line, child support is extortion.

Tu I started reading, but I stopped when I got here:  "Mothers make more money on average than fathers per year now . . . ."  This can't be true? 

I didn't see any sources.  Where did they get their information?  Did they take into account full-time moms who get custody? 

[tu_holmes]

Tu I started reading, but I stopped when I got here:  "Mothers make more money on average than fathers per year now . . . ."  This can't be true? 

I didn't see any sources.  Where did they get their information?  Did they take into account full-time moms who get custody? 

Why the hell should a full time mom get custody?

She needs to get her ass to work.

[Dos Equis]

Why the hell should a full time mom get custody?

She needs to get her ass to work.

What about the commentary you posted?  It doesn't sound very credible.  Do you believe men make more money than women?   

I don't think a full-time mom should automatically get custody, but I can certainly understand why she would more often than not, particularly if she's breast feeding. 

[tu_holmes]

What about the commentary you posted?  It doesn't sound very credible.  Do you believe men make more money than women?   

I don't think a full-time mom should automatically get custody, but I can certainly understand why she would more often than not, particularly if she's breast feeding. 

I don't really think that single point negates anything else that's said.

If you do, that's pretty myopic.

[MCWAY]

Exactly... It's always "the guys" fault she gets knocked up.

It's total crap.

Did you flunk biology or something? IT'S ALWAYS THE GUY'S FAULT....IT'S ALWAYS THE GIRL'S FAULT, TOO (unless, she was raped). Maybe you missed the memo. But, that's how we make babies on this planet.

Why? It's not the man's fault he doesn't carry it... It's nature... Ask any man and they would gladly carry the kid for 9 months and birth it if it meant the female had to pay for the child for the rest of his / her life.

Again... It's bullshit and it shows that women don't want equality in the world... They want special treatment and the pussies around the globe give it to them.

The only one who seems to fit that title, regarding this issue, is you (and like-minded men) who want to run and hide from responsibility. Quit whining about who's fault it is or isn't. If you get a girl pregnant and that child is born into this world, IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO CARE FOR HIM/HER. It doesn't matter how much money the mother or her parents make. It doesn't matter what the child support laws are in any state (those laws wouldn't be necessary, if it weren't for cowardly-thinking guys like you, having to be FORCED to take care of your own flesh and blood).

[tu_holmes]

Did you flunk biology or something? IT'S ALWAYS THE GUY'S FAULT....IT'S ALWAYS THE GIRL'S FAULT, TOO (unless, she was raped). Maybe you missed the memo. But, that's how we make babies on this planet.

The only one who seems to fit that title, regarding this issue, is you (and like-minded men) who want to run and hide from responsibility. Quit whining about who's fault it is or isn't. If you get a girl pregnant and that child is born into this world, IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO CARE FOR HIM/HER. It doesn't matter how much money the mother or her parents make. It doesn't matter what the child support laws are in any state (those laws wouldn't be necessary, if it weren't for cowardly-thinking guys like you, having to be FORCED to take care of your own flesh and blood).

MCWAY, you don't know me... Don't make this about me.

You couldn't me more wrong about anything.

The only people who don't think like me are women, pussies, and guys who've never been divorced with kids.

[LurkerNoMore]

Of course this deadbeat should support his kid.  Any "man" who has to be forced by the courts to support his child is a straight up punk. 

I only agree with half of this.

I definately believe he and any other father should support their children.  No exceptions.

However, in the case of the parents not being married and living apart, it is best to let the courts decide what his support should be.  This is for the benefit for the man, not the woman.  It establishes fail safe guidelines for documentation and evidence of said support.  Because otherwise, if the man spends years giving this woman money, buying clothes, food, etc..  it will not mean shit if she plays the "baby card" to stop him from seeing his kid.  Which we all know some women do.  Not a knock or generalization against women, but just the truth, some use the baby as a tool against each other.  While this thread is about Palin/Levi my comment there wasn't. 

The man needs guidelines to follow.  Otherwise there is a chance of a possible headache awaiting hiim down the road.  Get a baseline of support established.  If he wants to do more, by all means more power to him.  You can't be punished for doing more, but you can for doing less.

[LurkerNoMore]

So why would he pay child support?

Well because it is the law.  And it is part of the civil process which makes parties be accountable for their personal responsibilities.
I would rather the child's father be forced to pay child support than have the mother go on welfare and I end up paying for it.

Yes seriously... Men have ZERO rights when it comes to kids in today's society and I find it appalling.

So YES, I am dead serious... If a dad gets no say, then he shouldn't have to pay. It's completely different if he's trying to run out, but if he's trying to be involved, as Levi says he is, then I don't think he should have to pay a dime.

If they want to keep the baby away from him, then fuck them.

He should sue the shit out of them for everything those neo-cooks have.

Actually in some states, if both parties agree to this they can go before the judge and request a judgement based on the mutual agreement that the mother (or the father depending on what they both agree with.)  will forego any and all future child support in exchange for the other parent giving up all parental rights to the child.  This basically renders the parent giving up the rights to the status of a passerby on the street in the childs life.

I have a very very close friend who went through this.  (this is why I have an insight to this and the process because I basically researched this with him and acted as a witness to all parties and papers.)  The mother gave up all parental rights to the child in exchange for not having to pay child support.

That means she has no visitation rights whatsoever.  None.  No every other weekend.  No summer weeks.  No Mother's Day, Xmas, birthdays, etc..  (Although he allows her to visit openly and freely whenever she wants but he doesn't have to.  he can say fuck off and there is nothing she can do outside of getting an attorney and filing an appeal)  He makes all decisions on the childs upbringing.  School, religion, etc.. He does not have to ask her permission or even notify her if he wanted to move to another state or country.  He could just pack up and go, not even required to leave as much as a Post It note behind to notify her where they went.   In the event of a mortal situation where a life or death decision must be made, (like deciding to take the child off life support, organ donation, etc..) she has absolutely no say whatsoever.

Now.  That being said, which is in agreement with your view about a father not having to be involved if he isn't sticking around... I don't share your view about Levi's circumstance.  You see, he can be hit with child support no matter what.  He can actually be forced to pay child support and still have no legal visitation rights to the child.  The Palins are actually doing the right thing by allowing him to visit at their home under supervision.  Yes, it is not exactly fair to him as a father, but in eyes of the law and court, they are going way beyond what they are required to do and showing the extension of goodwill towards him. 

You know my feelings on the entire Palin clan so don't think this is a knock on you my friend, it simply is an accurate observation from the side of the law and the courts.

Also, one could argue that a child that young (under 6 months right?) really doesn't NEED to be away from it's mother overnight.  Yes, Levi should be given adequate time for the child to bond with him as a father and it seems the Palins are giving him that opportunity.  Which makes me wonder why he would go on tv and knock them for things if he really was interested in sticking around in the baby's life long term.  When someone has the legal power to prevail in court over you, you might want to tend to keep them on your good side.

The part I have bolded in your quote, I agree 150%.  Not just them, but anyone that does this.  This is very common with teen pregnancies.  The mother tends to live under her parents roof and her parents see the baby's father in an unfavorable light and seek to protect their daughter from further damage and heartache.  (after all, you would do the same for your daughter too if you thought her baby daddy was irresponsible, lazy, good for nothing, etc..)

However, once he goes through legitimation of the child and gets court ordered visitation rights, he can hold up the finger to Todd, Sarah, and Bristol face and go "fuck you.  I am seeing my son and there is nothing you can do about it."

[MCWAY]

MCWAY, you don't know me... Don't make this about me.

You couldn't me more wrong about anything.

The only people who don't think like me are women, pussies, and guys who've never been divorced with kids.

Spare me the "you don't know me" diatribe, another tired phrase of excuse-making chumps.

I am none of the above. However, I am a father. So, I can say with all certainty that men who make pitiful excuses (such as you have done) for not taking care of their children are, as Beach Bum so eloquently put it, STRAIGHT-UP PUNKS.

Standing there, sniveling about so-called rights, pay, and the like, looking for any excuse to duck responsibility for your offspring is downright pathetic. I don't care what the rules are or what the government does or doesn't.

As a father, your job is to do whatever it takes to care for your children, END OF STORY. If you're so worried about the money, then find out what they need (clothes, insurance, tuition, etc.) and take care of that directly.

[tu_holmes]

Spare me the "you don't know me" diatribe, another tired phrase of excuse-making chumps.

I am none of the above. However, I am a father. So, I can say with all certainty that men who make pitiful excuses (such as you have done) for not taking care of their children are, as Beach Bum so eloquently put it, STRAIGHT-UP PUNKS.

Standing there, sniveling about so-called rights, pay, and the like, looking for any excuse to duck responsibility for your offspring is downright pathetic. I don't care what the rules are or what the government does or doesn't.

As a father, your job is to do whatever it takes to care for your children, END OF STORY. If you're so worried about the money, then find out what they need (clothes, insurance, tuition, etc.) and take care of that directly.

Fuck you.

Come say it to my face MCWAY and I'll knock you flat on your ass... I promise.

I'll be happy to hear you do it...

Oh yeah... Meltdown you little piss ant know nothing  sack of shit.

Hide behind your little keyboard or come say it to my face.

[tonymctones]

Spare me the "you don't know me" diatribe, another tired phrase of excuse-making chumps.

I am none of the above. However, I am a father. So, I can say with all certainty that men who make pitiful excuses (such as you have done) for not taking care of their children are, as Beach Bum so eloquently put it, STRAIGHT-UP PUNKS.

Standing there, sniveling about so-called rights, pay, and the like, looking for any excuse to duck responsibility for your offspring is downright pathetic. I don't care what the rules are or what the government does or doesn't.

As a father, your job is to do whatever it takes to care for your children, END OF STORY. If you're so worried about the money, then find out what they need (clothes, insurance, tuition, etc.) and take care of that directly.

Look MC i dont think anybody here is argueing the need for a man to take care of their children what we are saying is that a women has that same responsibility and the law doesnt recognize that fact. Its shown in abortion laws as opposed to child support laws, its shown in amount paid by men as opposed to women, its shown in the bias in outcomes in situations with men and women and their children who are seperated. I agree with you, take care of you children but i disagree that b/c you are a man you have more of a responsibility then women do under the law.

[MCWAY]

Fuck you.

Come say it to my face MCWAY and I'll knock you flat on your ass... I promise.

Promises were made to be broken. Regardless of what you allegedly claim you can do to me, you still remain a straight-up punk, if you use pitiful excuses for not taking care of your children.

I'll be happy to hear you do it...

Oh yeah... Meltdown you little piss ant know nothing  sack of shit.

Hide behind your little keyboard or come say it to my face.

YAWWWNN!!!!! Color me unimpressed!!!