Palin's father: Levi not helping pay for baby care

[tonymctones]

You think? 

lol that happend like 2 or 3 pages ago, where you been?

[Dos Equis]

I think you guys are misunderstanding our point, NOBODY IS SAYING TO NOT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR CHILDREN, the point is that the law is biased and even society is biased point in case a few posts back beach you referred to dead beat dads, i understand this term but what name do you call a women who chooses to get an abortion for non medical reasons?

Its perfectly fine for women to not take responsibility for their actions under the law and even society to a degree but the man gets plastered with names and law suits if he chooses not to, that sound fair to you guys?

Add to that the raping on average a man takes in child support, divorce etc...

I think all me and holmes are saying is that there should be equal rights under the law and there simply isnt.

I'd call that woman "selfish," but I really think that's a different subject. 

A real man should not have to be sued for support.  It shouldn't even be in the courts. 

I'm not convinced men don't get treated fairly today for the most part.  I'm sure there are exceptions, and I know women had a huge advantage a while back, but I know of plenty of instances in which a divorced (or single parent) father was treated fairly.  If you really think about it, if a man does everything he can to care for his kids he most likely won't be involved in legal support disputes with the mother of his kids.

I honestly don’t believe courts are the ideal place to resolve custody/support issues anyway.  It’s something the parents need to work out between themselves.  I know that isn’t reality for the most part, given all the emotion, etc. involved, but that’s what should happen.     

[tonymctones]

I'd call that woman "selfish," but I really think that's a different subject. 

A real man should not have to be sued for support.  It shouldn't even be in the courts. 

I'm not convinced men don't get treated fairly today for the most part.  I'm sure there are exceptions, and I know women had a huge advantage a while back, but I know of plenty of instances in which a divorced (or single parent) father was treated fairly.  If you really think about it, if a man does everything he can to care for his kids he most likely won't be involved in legal support disputes with the mother of his kids.

I honestly don’t believe courts are the ideal place to resolve custody/support issues anyway.  It’s something the parents need to work out between themselves.  I know that isn’t reality for the most part, given all the emotion, etc. involved, but that’s what should happen.     

its the same subject which again only proves that you arent getting my point...Again nobody is saying dont be a parent, dont support your children. A real person would take responsibility for a child regardless of the sex of that person, thing is the law allows for women to take less responsibility and yes beach that does include monetarily as well. Males by and large pay more in child support then females, females by in large get custody of their children more then males.

[24KT]

its the same subject which again only proves that you arent getting my point...Again nobody is saying dont be a parent, dont support your children. A real person would take responsibility for a child regardless of the sex of that person, thing is the law allows for women to take less responsibility and yes beach that does include monetarily as well. Males by and large pay more in child support then females, females by in large get custody of their children more then males.

I guess that all depends upon which laws you're referring to.... man-made laws, ...or the laws of nature?

[tonymctones]

I guess that all depends upon which laws you're referring to.... man-made laws, ...or the laws of nature?

well since i never hear much about women yelling for equal rights and such im gonna say man made laws, make passive aggressive comments jag thats fine you cant deny that the law in the US as they pertain to this subject favor women.

[Dos Equis]

its the same subject which again only proves that you arent getting my point...Again nobody is saying dont be a parent, dont support your children. A real person would take responsibility for a child regardless of the sex of that person, thing is the law allows for women to take less responsibility and yes beach that does include monetarily as well. Males by and large pay more in child support then females, females by in large get custody of their children more then males.

I get your point.  I disagree with your point.  Men paying more in custody and women getting custody more than men doesn't mean the system is unfair.  A more likely explanation is men tend to make more money than women, especially if the woman has had kids and missed extended periods of time in the workplace.  Women may get custody more often than men because they are often the primary care providers for the kids, particularly when the kids are young. 

[24KT]

well since i never hear much about women yelling for equal rights and such im gonna say man made laws, make passive aggressive comments jag thats fine you cant deny that the law in the US as they pertain to this subject favor women.

...so what you're saying is that all knowing, all powerful men fvcked up AGAIN?!

"The fault Dear Brutus, lies not in our stars, ...but in ourselves"

well you did tell me to make a passive aggressive comment didn't you?
you know me, ..always glad to oblige you. 

[tonymctones]

...so what you're saying is that all knowing, all powerful men fvcked up AGAIN?!

"The fault Dear Brutus, lies not in our stars, ...but in ourselves"

well you did tell me to make a passive aggressive comment didn't you?
you know me, ..always glad to oblige you. 

LOL I WILL SPANK YOU LITTLE LADY...

[24KT]

LOL I WILL SPANK YOU LITTLE LADY...

You'd have to catch me first. And I plan on running very very fast (new sneakers, ...they're very pretty) 

[tu_holmes]

I'd call that woman "selfish," but I really think that's a different subject. 

A real man should not have to be sued for support.  It shouldn't even be in the courts. 

I'm not convinced men don't get treated fairly today for the most part.  I'm sure there are exceptions, and I know women had a huge advantage a while back, but I know of plenty of instances in which a divorced (or single parent) father was treated fairly.  If you really think about it, if a man does everything he can to care for his kids he most likely won't be involved in legal support disputes with the mother of his kids.

I honestly don’t believe courts are the ideal place to resolve custody/support issues anyway.  It’s something the parents need to work out between themselves.  I know that isn’t reality for the most part, given all the emotion, etc. involved, but that’s what should happen.     

Dude... My ex talked to an attorney before the divorce and they decided that because of the difference in salary, over 2000 dollars a month is what is considered "fair" according to the court system, so they immediately took me to court.

No out of court, no nothing... Just boom.

I got a subpoena and walked into the court room and the Judge just said... give it to her.


I give her and my kids more than she makes in a month.... I'm paying for her to live in a cozy little house and do whatever she wants to do... None of her money goes to taking care of the kids... It's all mine and I'll dare anyone to show me otherwise.

[tonymctones]

Dude... My ex talked to an attorney before the divorce and they decided that because of the difference in salary, over 2000 dollars a month is what is considered "fair" according to the court system, so they immediately took me to court.

No out of court, no nothing... Just boom.

I got a subpoena and walked into the court room and the Judge just said... give it to her.


I give her and my kids more than she makes in a month.... I'm paying for her to live in a cozy little house and do whatever she wants to do... None of her money goes to taking care of the kids... It's all mine and I'll dare anyone to show me otherwise.

that blows bro, but like beach said she will get hers my guess is when your kids hit 18 and you stop paying her...then you will get your lb of flesh my friend.

[Dos Equis]

Dude... My ex talked to an attorney before the divorce and they decided that because of the difference in salary, over 2000 dollars a month is what is considered "fair" according to the court system, so they immediately took me to court.

No out of court, no nothing... Just boom.

I got a subpoena and walked into the court room and the Judge just said... give it to her.


I give her and my kids more than she makes in a month.... I'm paying for her to live in a cozy little house and do whatever she wants to do... None of her money goes to taking care of the kids... It's all mine and I'll dare anyone to show me otherwise.

Did you have an attorney? 

Man you need to just keep doing what you're doing.  Your kids will really appreciate what you've done and good things will happen to you.  You're doing the right thing.  That's what really matters. 

[tu_holmes]

Did you have an attorney? 

Man you need to just keep doing what you're doing.  Your kids will really appreciate what you've done and good things will happen to you.  You're doing the right thing.  That's what really matters. 

Of course I had an attorney... But the county she filed in has a notorious judge who just gives the woman whatever she asks for.

We hadn't even lived in that county, but she filed there anyway, just because of the Judge.

I'm not going to change what I'm doing... I handle my business to hang with my kids... I'll be flying back this friday actually.

I'm simply saying that in my personal experience, most guys get shafted by the courts.

Judges can rule for the "poor weak woman" at their whim.

[Hereford]

No joke. I have seen this over and over again. You will never see the situation reversed. Ever. I have seen dudes who haven't even seen the kids in years paying most of their income to their ex's, when the ex's moved out of state, but kept the demand for $$$. I knew a chick in OR back in the day who had 4 kids from 3 different daddys, and was living it up... kids were at the grandparents like 90% of the time... and she was pulling 3 child support checks in making like 4K/month (tax free)... and this was like 15 years ago!

[Dos Equis]

Of course I had an attorney... But the county she filed in has a notorious judge who just gives the woman whatever she asks for.

We hadn't even lived in that county, but she filed there anyway, just because of the Judge.

I'm not going to change what I'm doing... I handle my business to hang with my kids... I'll be flying back this friday actually.

I'm simply saying that in my personal experience, most guys get shafted by the courts.

Judges can rule for the "poor weak woman" at their whim.

I agree that some men get shafted, as your situation shows. 

[24KT]

I agree that some men get shafted, as your situation shows. 

So do I, ...but I still don't see how that absolves Levi from his responsibility.
I'm still waiting for Tu to explain that to us. 

[tu_holmes]

So do I, ...but I still don't see how that absolves Levi from his responsibility.
I'm still waiting for Tu to explain that to us. 

I didn't say it did... I said if they are not letting him see his own child then he shouldn't have to pay child support.

You can't talk about his responsibilities as a father if they aren't letting him be a responsible parent in the first place.

[24KT]

I didn't say it did... I said if they are not letting him see his own child then he shouldn't have to pay child support.

You can't talk about his responsibilities as a father if they aren't letting him be a responsible parent in the first place.

Again I argue that child support payments are just that... payments to support the child. They're not access fees

Whether one has access is a matter for the courts, but it doesn't absolve one of their responsibility to financially support their offspring.

[tu_holmes]

Again I argue that child support payments are just that... payments to support the child. They're not access fees

Whether one has access is a matter for the courts, but it doesn't absolve one of their responsibility to financially support their offspring.

Then we will not agree... end of story.

If you think it's right to keep a father away from his children, and still tell him he's financially responsible (because apparently you're saying that the only thing that makes a father a father is money) then to me, you're just wrong and that's all there is to it.

Nothing you say or present will ever change my mind about it.

[24KT]

Then we will not agree... end of story.

If you think it's right to keep a father away from his children, and still tell him he's financially responsible (because apparently you're saying that the only thing that makes a father a father is money) then to me, you're just wrong and that's all there is to it.

I never said it was right to do that. Please show me where I did.
I simply said child support is not paid access. That's something more men, ...and the women who hold a father's visitation rights hostage, should realize. Sorry if not spelling out genders gave the opinion I thought only men believed child support is paid access, ...many women seem to think so too.

If a child is being withheld from a parent by a vindictive ex spouse or whatever, ...it still does not absolve the parent of their financial responsibilities towards the child. That's a matter for the courts. Again, in a perfect world, visitation and custodial rights should never have to be adjudicated, ...just like child support, ...however each is a completely separate matter. All too often people try to link the two, but they have nothing to do with one another. I've never said financial support is the only thing that makes a father a father, ...unfortunately too many men seem to think it is, ...and too many women once finished with their ex's settle for that simply because they want the ex out of their lives as much as possible.

Nothing you say or present will ever change my mind about it.

No, ...not when your primary thoughts are about yourself and your *itchy ex, ...and not the innocent child(ren)

[tu_holmes]

I never said it was right to do that. Please show me where I did.
I simply said child support is not paid access. That's something more men, ...and the women who hold a father's visitation rights hostage, should realize. Sorry if not spelling out genders gave the opinion I thought only men believed child support is paid access, ...many women seem to think so too.

If a child is being withheld from a parent by a vindictive ex spouse or whatever, ...it still does not absolve the parent of their financial responsibilities towards the child. That's a matter for the courts. Again, in a perfect world, visitation and custodial rights should never have to be adjudicated, ...just like child support, ...however each is a completely separate matter. All too often people try to link the two, but they have nothing to do with one another. I've never said financial support is the only thing that makes a father a father, ...unfortunately too many men seem to think it is, ...and too many women once finished with their ex's settle for that simply because they want the ex out of their lives as much as possible.

No, ...not when your primary thoughts are about yourself and your *itchy ex, ...and not the innocent child(ren)

No... it's because it's wrong.

How many kids do you have?

[24KT]

No... it's because it's wrong.

How many kids do you have?

I don't have to have kids to know that if you bring a child into this world you have to support it financially.

Of course the responsibility doesn't end there, but it's one of them.

[tu_holmes]

I don't have to have kids to know that if you bring a child into this world you have to support it financially.

Of course the responsibility doesn't end there, but it's one of them.

Apparently only the man is financially responsible in your world.

[24KT]

Apparently only the man is financially responsible in your world.

I never said that.

[tu_holmes]

I never said that.

You don't have to... You're implying it by your other statements.