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Are you still natural if you have used ephedra/ephedrine?
« on: April 19, 2009, 01:56:21 AM »
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Re: Are you still natural if you have used ephedra/ephedrine?
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2009, 02:02:35 AM »
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Re: Are you still natural if you have used ephedra/ephedrine?
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2009, 02:03:47 AM »
yes... its not a muscle building drug, not hormone manipulating, its OTC and available in most cold/sinus medications... (psuedoephedrine, same thing)

i think it is banned by some natural orgs though.  hmmm


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Re: Are you still natural if you have used ephedra/ephedrine?
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2009, 02:05:02 AM »
I would also say yes since it provides no significant advantage over eating less

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Re: Are you still natural if you have used ephedra/ephedrine?
« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2009, 02:05:49 AM »
Anything under 1g of test a week is considered natural these days :D

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Re: Are you still natural if you have used ephedra/ephedrine?
« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2009, 02:08:33 AM »
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Re: Are you still natural if you have used ephedra/ephedrine?
« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2009, 03:06:21 AM »
it's a stimulant... like caffeine...


not a steroid. so yes still natural if you use that.

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Re: Are you still natural if you have used ephedra/ephedrine?
« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2009, 03:31:29 AM »
ephedra yes, ephedrine no.

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Re: Are you still natural if you have used ephedra/ephedrine?
« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2009, 03:32:44 AM »
if you used epehdrine you are not narueal and will never be natual ,,

caffiene and spirin yes

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Re: Are you still natural if you have used ephedra/ephedrine?
« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2009, 03:36:43 AM »
if you used epehdrine you are not narueal and will never be natual ,,

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uh its the same thing. just a stronger stimulant. both works the same way. raises heart rate.

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Re: Are you still natural if you have used ephedra/ephedrine?
« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2009, 03:42:28 AM »
uh its the same thing. just a stronger stimulant. both works the same way. raises heart rate.
no ephedrione will cause you to lose body fat from 6 to 5% if you know what youre doing,,no natural ever go on stage at 5% thus ephedrine is a strong drug

cffeine you can take all day long and you wont drop a pound unless you put a lot of effort into it

aspirin will get your blood pressure down and solve your hard on problem if you have too much estrogen running in the system

if you ever took ephedrine you are not natural ,,,you may pass as natural for a show you are no more natural

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Re: Are you still natural if you have used ephedra/ephedrine?
« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2009, 04:26:26 AM »
no ephedrione will cause you to lose body fat from 6 to 5% if you know what youre doing,,no natural ever go on stage at 5% thus ephedrine is a strong drug

cffeine you can take all day long and you wont drop a pound unless you put a lot of effort into it

aspirin will get your blood pressure down and solve your hard on problem if you have too much estrogen running in the system

if you ever took ephedrine you are not natural ,,,you may pass as natural for a show you are no more natural

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ive never taken ephedrin but i concider it a stimulant same as coffee. i just dont see the difference.

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Re: Are you still natural if you have used ephedra/ephedrine?
« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2009, 05:13:19 AM »
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I consider ephedrine to be an extremely strong fatburner and stimulant.

I used ephedrine in the 90’s when it was not yet banned by the various natural bodybuilding federations. No other so called legal fatburner today comes even close to ephedrine. I have been using Ripped Fuel (and Hydroxycut recently) for many years now. Believe me: they are frustratingly less effective than ephedrine. For me, it was very easy losing fat on Ephedrine.

Still consider myself natural because I always played by the specific rules at the time. What if they banned creatine tomorrow for some flimsy reason? Would every former user be considered non-natural?

Also bear in mind: IOC/WADA do allow the use of ephedrine year-round, except on competition day: http://www.wada-ama.org/rtecontent/document/2008_List_Format_en.pdf

Ephedrine concentration IN COMPETITION must not be greater than 10 micrograms per milliliter. Making you more alert, it might, e. g., give a sprinter a millisecond advantage.

In this sense the natural bb federations are even stricter than IOC/WADA.

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Re: Are you still natural if you have used ephedra/ephedrine?
« Reply #15 on: April 19, 2009, 11:20:57 AM »
it's a stimulant... like caffeine...


not a steroid. so yes still natural if you use that.

exactly. plus being OTC and in so many products like cold medicine...

by gh15 definition, NOBODY would be a natural.. even non-bodybuilders.. ???

i took it sporadically, so not sure how much it helped me with actual fat loss. havent in over 3 years, have breathing problems now...concerned about side effects of the heart & respiratory system. not sure if ehpedra had anything to do with that.

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Re: Are you still natural if you have used ephedra/ephedrine?
« Reply #16 on: April 19, 2009, 11:54:26 AM »
Are you still a vegan if youve eaten an egg? Are you still a fag if you fucked a woman? Are you still a truckdriver if youve driven a car? Are you still a moderator if youve never banned anyone? Do you still have the fastest car in the world even if youve never raced? Are you still a cop even if you havent shot anyone? If youve never posted in a Nasser hate thread, does that mean that you like him?



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Re: Are you still natural if you have used ephedra/ephedrine?
« Reply #17 on: April 19, 2009, 12:05:31 PM »
I don't care if you're a competitor or not.  In my opinion you're only natural if you workout and eat regular wholesome food.  Supplements that don't affect the human body physiologically i.e. above what macronutrients, minerals do are ok.  Creatine does not effect the sympathetic nervous system nor does protein powder.  But ephedrine sure as hell isn't natural.  Neither is caffeine or aspirin to affect the fat burning capability of the body.  If you take ephedrine one time and that's it yes you could still be considered natural.  It all depends on how it affects your physique.  Anything that affects your physique more than dieting with food and exercise in my opinion is not natural.  It's funny to see all these natural idiots try to justify this simple concept.  but but but I only used 30K mg of caffeine and caffeine is found in coffee!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ::)

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Re: Are you still natural if you have used ephedra/ephedrine?
« Reply #18 on: April 19, 2009, 12:15:43 PM »
I don't care if you're a competitor or not.  In my opinion you're only natural if you workout and eat regular wholesome food.  Supplements that don't affect the human body physiologically i.e. above what macronutrients, minerals do are ok.  Creatine does not effect the sympathetic nervous system nor does protein powder.  But ephedrine sure as hell isn't natural.  Neither is caffeine or aspirin to affect the fat burning capability of the body.  If you take ephedrine one time and that's it yes you could still be considered natural.  It all depends on how it affects your physique.  Anything that affects your physique more than dieting with food and exercise in my opinion is not natural.  It's funny to see all these natural idiots try to justify this simple concept.  but but but I only used 30K mg of caffeine and caffeine is found in coffee!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ::)

That's why, to some degree, it's almost pointless to argue about who's natural and who's not. I've told this story before, but in college, one freshman football player saw his teammate, consuming weight gainer. He dismissively told him, "I don't take that *@&#; that *&@@ make your nuts shrink!".

This fellow equated Joe Weider's Sugar-Free Big to some form of anabolic drug. And, there are plenty of people like that. People might consider YOU not to be natural, simply because you use creatine, protein powder, or weight gainer.

Few have the time or the capacity to build a signficantly-muscled physique, exclusively on regular food.

As for ephedra (via ma huang), the last time I used was 2003. And I only got it because it was part of a now-discontinued RTD, marked down to just $0.50 at GNC (Nitro-Glycerol). It quickly reminded me why I stopped using Ultimate Orange and the original Hydroxycut. I can do without the heart-jumping-out-of-chest and arm-shaking-by-itself routine.


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Re: Are you still natural if you have used ephedra/ephedrine?
« Reply #19 on: April 19, 2009, 12:16:32 PM »
you're okay with ephedrine

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Re: Are you still natural if you have used ephedra/ephedrine?
« Reply #20 on: May 01, 2009, 01:15:03 PM »
That's why, to some degree, it's almost pointless to argue about who's natural and who's not. I've told this story before, but in college, one freshman football player saw his teammate, consuming weight gainer. He dismissively told him, "I don't take that *@&#; that *&@@ make your nuts shrink!".

This fellow equated Joe Weider's Sugar-Free Big to some form of anabolic drug. And, there are plenty of people like that. People might consider YOU not to be natural, simply because you use creatine, protein powder, or weight gainer.

Few have the time or the capacity to build a signficantly-muscled physique, exclusively on regular food.

As for ephedra (via ma huang), the last time I used was 2003. And I only got it because it was part of a now-discontinued RTD, marked down to just $0.50 at GNC (Nitro-Glycerol). It quickly reminded me why I stopped using Ultimate Orange and the original Hydroxycut. I can do without the heart-jumping-out-of-chest and arm-shaking-by-itself routine.



Ephedrine made me mean as hell.  I'd snap for no reason.  It made me super edgy and impatient.  But I melted the fat like crazy. At what cost though.

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Re: Are you still natural if you have used ephedra/ephedrine?
« Reply #21 on: May 01, 2009, 01:43:54 PM »

Not only are you natural, no one cares.


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Re: Are you still natural if you have used ephedra/ephedrine?
« Reply #22 on: May 01, 2009, 01:50:22 PM »
I can't believe you are asking this question..

Ephedrine is a stimulant and a damn good one because of its ability to suppress hunger, and also because of how well it works with caffeine.

The only thing about the ECA stack is that is raises blood pressure and when you go off the first day you feel tired. That's about it. For me personally, I feel fine with it despite the blood pressure rise because I do cardio and don't feel that tense when I'm taking it.

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Re: Are you still natural if you have used ephedra/ephedrine?
« Reply #23 on: May 01, 2009, 02:04:48 PM »
I can't believe you are asking this question..

Ephedrine is a stimulant and a damn good one because of its ability to suppress hunger, and also because of how well it works with caffeine.

The only thing about the ECA stack is that is raises blood pressure and when you go off the first day you feel tired. That's about it. For me personally, I feel fine with it despite the blood pressure rise because I do cardio and don't feel that tense when I'm taking it.

To the mormons stimulants are a big NO NO

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Re: Are you still natural if you have used ephedra/ephedrine?
« Reply #24 on: May 01, 2009, 02:14:20 PM »
To the mormons stimulants are a big NO NO

Are you suggesting that mormons don't like getting lean?