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Kicking Chuck Liddell While He's Down
« on: April 19, 2009, 08:06:25 PM »
I was never a fan of Chuck Liddell.

Not from the time he won a boring decision against Noe Hernandez at UFC 17. I booed and hissed when he decisioned a vastly undersized Pele Landi-Jons at IVC 6. I went wild when Jeremy Horn choked him out at the bell at UFC 19.

I almost fell out of my seat when Guy Mezger knocked him down in the first round of their PRIDE 14 fight. I booed all the way through his stall and brawl snoozer against Murilo Bustamante -- and I blamed Chuck for that, as many are blaming Anderson Silva for his fight last night.

I rooted for Vitor Belfort, Babalu Sobral (twice), even Kevin Randleman against Chuck. Chuck's first fight against, and total drubbing by, Randy Couture is probabaly my favorite ever Chuck Liddell fight. Randy out thought, out fought and beat down the Ice Man and oooo was I satisfied!

When I heard that Rampage Jackson had beat him down at PRIDE Final Conflict 2003, I could not wait to get the DVD to see for myself. I watched that fight over and over again, reveling in the brutal shots Quinton planted in Chuck's tubby gut.

I even rooted for Tito against Chuck, that's how much I was NOT a fan of Chuck's counter-fighting, sprawlNstall style of fighting.

His biggest wins came against grapplers who had no chance against him on the feet but who kept charging in regardless. His only wins against dangerous strikers in his hey day came against the undersized (Pele, Mezger), the underconditioned (Overeem) and a Vitor Belfort who played into Chuck's game by charging in behind straight punches.

But don't get me wrong. As much as I hated his fighting style and his life style...the whole California biker redneck, porn-star dating, trailer trash vibe eeked me out. the Aryan Brotherhood types who his biggest fans didn't help any either...all of that being said, I respected the guy.

He was clearly a top athlete, a game, even fearless fighter who took the sport seriously and trained in all aspects even if his conservative style strictly kept the fight in his preferred standing at a distance range.

Well now its seemingly all over and I'm not sure I'm ready for it. Over the last two years, each knock out loss Chuck suffered thrilled me less and less. And his wonderful war with Wanderlei was a win even I couldn't begrudge him.

Sadly, I have to admit the dude is an all-time great. A legend. A sure-fire guaranteed first ballot Hall of Famer. The man who did more to get MMA over with the American public than any other figure in the history of the sport. The face of MMA during its first boom in the States. A fighter whose highlight reel KOs and bouts against Randy Couture and Wanderlei Silva will be watched as long as the sport has fans.

Sure I rooted for Shogun last night, but today I'm feeling a little sad since I won't have fearsome, invincible, KO machine Chuck Liddell to root against anymore.

Thanks for the memories Chuck, take care and I hope you can look back with pride and satisfaction at your amazing career.


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Re: Kicking Chuck Liddell While He's Down
« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2009, 05:51:11 AM »
very well said

The same so called MMA fans kicked CroCop and Wandy after few losses
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Re: Kicking Chuck Liddell While He's Down
« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2009, 08:42:26 AM »
Not a chuck fan, but I must say he had a nice run.

Dude was laying it down and made it understood by knocking you TFO for having the nerves to want to fight him let alone take his belt away. lol




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Re: Kicking Chuck Liddell While He's Down
« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2009, 09:04:30 AM »
Great thread Sin, I was gonna start one myself.

I was never a Chuck fan either but he IS a Legend of MMA and now these stupid kids on the messageboards are bashing his career. Chuck will be remembered as a puncher with great power and great takedown defense who owned wrestlers/grapplers. No secret he always struggled with strikers but he was good at what he did.



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Re: Kicking Chuck Liddell While He's Down
« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2009, 06:09:08 PM »
a while back chuck called Fedor a over rated fighter that he could easily beat...
 ;D
how things change 5 fights later....
chuck got beat because of his same old style that worked at the beginning
but know all fighter's have catch-ed on..
and we see the end result this past Saturday...

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Re: Kicking Chuck Liddell While He's Down
« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2009, 07:14:34 PM »
a while back chuck called Fedor a over rated fighter that he could easily beat...
 ;D
how things change 5 fights later....
chuck got beat because of his same old style that worked at the beginning
but know all fighter's have catch-ed on..
and we see the end result this past Saturday...

This is the case in everything... Guys get better and genes get better!!! Look at Royce at the beggining, ala Chuck. I still think Chuck is one of the greatest and had his moment. Now it is time for a new breed of fighters.

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Re: Kicking Chuck Liddell While He's Down
« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2009, 08:05:44 PM »
chuck is a future mma hall of famer imo, the man was a beast for years and ko,d the whose who of mma, he ko,d ortiz twice, randleman, randy twice, horn, tiger white, babalu twice, allister overreem and mezger. anyone who says chuck wasnt awesome is kidding themselves
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Re: Kicking Chuck Liddell While He's Down
« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2009, 08:09:12 PM »
chuck is reminding me more and more of shamrock.  But i still rather see chuck fight.

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Re: Kicking Chuck Liddell While He's Down
« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2009, 08:23:02 PM »
chuck is reminding me more and more of shamrock.  But i still rather see chuck fight.

im hoping chuck has enough sense not to pull a shamrock and stay in the game and get used as a punching bag by the young bucks, ive always liked ken and i like chuck but it hurts to watch guys you had great admiration for as a fighter and person get beaten down when they should be retired
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Re: Kicking Chuck Liddell While He's Down
« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2009, 08:24:49 PM »
very true.  at the end of his fight i figured chuck would get regulated as a trial by fire fighter for up and comers.  If you watch his old interviews and see his new ones, he's lost a few steps mentally as well.

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Re: Kicking Chuck Liddell While He's Down
« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2009, 11:34:51 PM »
Did anyone else notice the last few blows were ilegal , to the back of Chuck's head ?..

I think they should have that fight go on a little more.

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Re: Kicking Chuck Liddell While He's Down
« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2009, 03:07:54 AM »
Against grapplers, he was hell on wheels.  His toughest fights were against strikers.  Like Sin said, he was in trouble against Mezger and Overeem.  Rampage destroyed him twice, Rashad, beat him on his feet and Jardine had him in trouble.  I saw none of the Howard Jackson influence.  In fact on the KO left hook, his hands were down at his waist like he was expecting Shogun to shoot.  Past his time.  Hall of Famer, though.