I lifted weights 10 YEARS naturally before ever doing a cycle. Best FBP was 315 for 8 or 9 and 1 rep max between 375-380. My heaviest was 207 or so at 5 11 and at around 13-14%BF. My arms at there absolute biggest were 17.5. I'm not saying I have great genetics or even good genetics, but Meso has arms almost 2 inches bigger than mine at the time, at a higher bodyweight and at a lower BF. All that on two meals a day and not having a clue what a supplement is, while I was shoveling Met-Rx, Protein, Creatine and anything under the sun to get a little bigger except for AAS. So, I say all this because I like a lot of others here have a hard time believing this kid. Have you ever taken Superdrol, Halodrol,original TBomb or any other OTC supplements that are really just steroids, maybe not knowing? I have worked out with some genetic freaks, but none as big, lean and strong all at the same time that were not sauced to some degree. Not "hatin" either, just doesn't make sense.