meso triceps

[mesmorph78]

i hear what your saying.... but still i attribute most of that to the way i Train... I'm a honest trainer....  hard work... hark work and consistency in 7 - 8 years the biggest break Ive taken is two weeks...
and i KNOW how to train properly that is key... if you notice im always here asking questions on the training board... Most people arent intersted in the training they are interested in the LOOK

[mesmorph78]

Not saying Mesohorny is on anything but I really can't see how so much growth can come from a restricted diet. Not throwing stones, simply talking about basic physiology. Muscle is a protein and you need certain building blocks to grow it.

one day ill take a pic of the plate of food i eat...
or food is very high in protein.. in fact i cant remember a day ever in my life when i didnt eat meat...
jamaicans eat proper food believe that

[Red Hook]

one day ill take a pic of the plate of food i eat...
or food is very high in protein.. in fact i cant remember a day ever in my life when i didnt eat meat...
jamaicans eat proper food believe that

lol, meso, you are kidding about the high protein right?

dude, ox tail, rice and peas and plantain is all fat and carbs, I know because that is what I eat but with different results than you.

a plate of curry goat, rice and peas and some mauby hits the spot every time.

[mesmorph78]

i dont like ox tail...

rice and pease and chicken with salad and plantain
..

steam fish with okro and crackers

rice and peas and roast beef with salad

[drkaje]

i hear what your saying.... but still i attribute most of that to the way i Train... I'm a honest trainer....  hard work... hark work and consistency in 7 - 8 years the biggest break Ive taken is two weeks...
and i KNOW how to train properly that is key... if you notice im always here asking questions on the training board... Most people arent intersted in the training they are interested in the LOOK

I lot of people will probably disagree but I'd argue training probably only accounts for about 10-15% of how people look. Most of it is genetics then throw in diet, hydration and rest. I'll fully agree that a person can train wrong and also neglect areas that aren't fun like legs.

Still, when it comes to training we need a certain amount of calories. Building muscle takes protein, amino acids and a positive nitrogen balance. It takes between 350 & 500 calories just to fall asleep! Even great genetics can't magically add protein to a person's diet. I'm not saying you're a dishonest trainer. Something in your diet, nutrition or whatever just doesn't add up. Even if you're one of those people with severe BDD that spends 4 hours/day in the gym it still takes a certain amount of food/supps/candy/etc to grow muscle.

It could really come down to being ignorant of and oversimplifying your diet. All the Carrib guys I saw and hung with who were big got most of their calories from whole food, tended to be overly top heavy and had an allergy to the squat rack.

[chaos]

I lot of people will probably disagree but I'd argue training probably only accounts for about 10-15% of how people look. Most of it is genetics then throw in diet, hydration and rest. I'll fully agree that a person can train wrong and also neglect areas that aren't fun like legs.

Still, when it comes to training we need a certain amount of calories. Building muscle takes protein, amino acids and a positive nitrogen balance. It takes between 350 & 500 calories just to fall asleep! Even great genetics can't magically add protein to a person's diet. I'm not saying you're a dishonest trainer. Something in your diet, nutrition or whatever just doesn't add up. Even if you're one of those people with severe BDD that spends 4 hours/day in the gym it still takes a certain amount of food/supps/candy/etc to grow muscle.

It could really come down to being ignorant of and oversimplifying your diet. All the Carrib guys I saw and hung with who were big got most of their calories from whole food, tended to be overly top heavy and had an allergy to the squat rack.

Hater, you're just jealous cause you're a skinny bitch with no muscles and you don't have the dedication to workout for 7-8 years straight HARD.







 

[Ursus]

Training is 75% genetics, 15% training and 10% diet IMO

[mesmorph78]

Hater, you're just jealous cause you're a skinny bitch with no muscles and you don't have the dedication to workout for 7-8 years straight HARD.







 

who called this guy a hater... i was actually having a convo with the guy
..u know for all the flame you took when you put up your pic...
i would think you would have decency to bring something subctancial to this thread he doesnt necessarily argree with what im saying  but i have no issue with that its promoting dialogue about lifting and building muscle
the only peson ive called a haters is the obvious gimick gh15 sweet muscles...
anyway whatever
 

[drkaje]

Hater, you're just jealous cause you're a skinny bitch with no muscles and you don't have the dedication to workout for 7-8 years straight HARD.
 

LOL!!!

Mesohorny,

He's just kidding... well, not about the skinny part.

Here's what I'll do. PM me your basic diet and I'll go on it starting next week. It'll be hard because I don't measure food and can't eat onions but curiosity has gotten the best of me.

[mesmorph78]

I looove onions... man...
ill do one better i stayed at my girl thi weekend
here is what i ate for breakfast this morning my girl made it for me

[Meso_z]

I looove onions... man...
ill do one better i stayed at my girl thi weekend
here is what i ate for breakfast this morning my girl made it for me

thats a complete meal for sure. carbs, protein and vegetables.

good meso. 

[mesmorph78]

yes i love my veg man

[drkaje]

thats a complete meal for sure. carbs, protein and vegetables.

good meso. 

Maybe 40g protein, 50 carbs and 300 calories depending upon what kind of dressing is used.

[Meso_z]

Maybe 40g protein, 50 carbs and 300 calories depending upon what kind of dressing is used.

thats pretty good, actually its a nutritious solid meal.

if only he could eat that a few times more during the day he would make better progress..

[drkaje]

thats pretty good, actually its a nutritious solid meal.

if only he could eat that a few times more during the day he would make better progress..

Point is that his mass and one additional meal/day like that just don't add up. I'm not calling anyone out, merely trying to learn something.

[tbombz]

Maybe 40g protein, 50 carbs and 300 calories depending upon what kind of dressing is used.

you think thats whats on that plate? looks to be about 100-150 carbs depending on how much water was used in the rice

maybe 25-35 grams protein

and probably 20 or so grams of fat

700 or more calories.

[ASJChaotic]

you think thats whats on that plate? looks to be about 100-150 carbs depending on how much water was used in the rice

maybe 25-35 grams protein

and probably 20 or so grams of fat

700 or more calories.

x2

tbombz is right

[SweetMuscles]

who called this guy a hater... i was actually having a convo with the guy
..u know for all the flame you took when you put up your pic...
i would think you would have decency to bring something subctancial to this thread he doesnt necessarily argree with what im saying  but i have no issue with that its promoting dialogue about lifting and building muscle
the only peson ive called a haters is the obvious gimick gh15 sweet muscles...
anyway whatever
 

hahaha, you're in no position to be talking about people adding something 'substantial' to a thread. You are without doubt the least intelligent person on this website - and that's saying something! Your parents should be ashamed at the appalling quality of your written English.  You're pathetically stupid. Most of your responses are completely unintelligible.

Now, people who question your bullshit - shown to be false - claims , are not  'haters'. It's not hating to point out truths. Obviously you enjoy the attention and it's silly of me to feed you - must make a change from those two tiny meals a day that built your 20.5 arms at 4% However, if you persist in scrawling your down's syndrome child with ADD and Aspergers type responses, I will continue to laugh at your stunning lack of intelligence and lies

I'll type your next response (assuming it's not a one word answer just to bump your thread)


some wil hate sum will congrtulate i luv 2 trane i luv to lift waits i am 8 years hard work in the jim and welfare supprts me
..i justr love to bullshit as reallt i get little no attenshun in the rell worlkd as im living on governemtn handout i jhhave jamekan jenitcis the bast u ever seen  jamaicans are the gr8test don ask about my legs i don train my legs i just do arms don be a hater like that cummdizzle he take hard cock in his ass and dont hate lick bald sevestse and gh15/sweatmussels troll
i respiect u dont beleive me i am religtions try to lifer as much as psosivle dont bea hater mes

[tendonitis]

hahaha, you're in no position to be talking about people adding something 'substantial' to a thread. You are without doubt the least intelligent person on this website - and that's saying something! Your parents should be ashamed at the appalling quality of your written English.  You're pathetically stupid. Most of your responses are completely unintelligible.

Now, people who question your bullshit - shown to be false - claims , are not  'haters'. It's not hating to point out truths. Obviously you enjoy the attention and it's silly of me to feed you - must make a change from those two tiny meals a day that built your 20.5 arms at 4% However, if you persist in scrawling your down's syndrome child with ADD and Aspergers type responses, I will continue to laugh at your stunning lack of intelligence and lies

I'll type your next response (assuming it's not a one word answer just to bump your thread)


some wil hate sum will congrtulate i luv 2 trane i luv to lift waits i am 8 years hard work in the jim and welfare supprts me
..i justr love to bullshit as reallt i get little no attenshun in the rell worlkd as im living on governemtn handout i jhhave jamekan jenitcis the bast u ever seen  jamaicans are the gr8test don ask about my legs i don train my legs i just do arms don be a hater like that cummdizzle he take hard cock in his ass and dont hate lick bald sevestse and gh15/sweatmussels troll
i respiect u dont beleive me i am religtions try to lifer as much as psosivle dont bea hater mes

reading mesmorph's posts i've always assumed english is not his first language.  is this not true?

[The Master]

hahaha, you're in no position to be talking about people adding something 'substantial' to a thread. You are without doubt the least intelligent person on this website - and that's saying something! Your parents should be ashamed at the appalling quality of your written English.  You're pathetically stupid. Most of your responses are completely unintelligible.

Now, people who question your bullshit - shown to be false - claims , are not  'haters'. It's not hating to point out truths. Obviously you enjoy the attention and it's silly of me to feed you - must make a change from those two tiny meals a day that built your 20.5 arms at 4% However, if you persist in scrawling your down's syndrome child with ADD and Aspergers type responses, I will continue to laugh at your stunning lack of intelligence and lies

I'll type your next response (assuming it's not a one word answer just to bump your thread)


some wil hate sum will congrtulate i luv 2 trane i luv to lift waits i am 8 years hard work in the jim and welfare supprts me
..i justr love to bullshit as reallt i get little no attenshun in the rell worlkd as im living on governemtn handout i jhhave jamekan jenitcis the bast u ever seen  jamaicans are the gr8test don ask about my legs i don train my legs i just do arms don be a hater like that cummdizzle he take hard cock in his ass and dont hate lick bald sevestse and gh15/sweatmussels troll
i respiect u dont beleive me i am religtions try to lifer as much as psosivle dont bea hater mes

To his defence: he = not trying to pump out the smarts here + he has a masters and works in a big financial institution (probably no lie).

[elite_lifter]

To his defence: he = not trying to pump out the smarts here + he has a masters and works in a big financial institution (probably no lie).

Looks like you have come down from last nights high, debugsy.

[SweetMuscles]

reading mesmorph's posts i've always assumed english is not his first language.  is this not true?

He lives off the British taxpayer

[drkaje]

you think thats whats on that plate? looks to be about 100-150 carbs depending on how much water was used in the rice

maybe 25-35 grams protein

and probably 20 or so grams of fat

700 or more calories.

There ain't 700 calories on that plate.

1/2 cup rice has 90 cal and that's probably less than 6 oz fried chicken. The useable calories from the salad could be debated all day until someone here points out that humans can't break down cellulose.

[elite_lifter]

There ain't 700 calories on that plate.

1/2 cup rice has 90 cal and that's probably less than 6 oz fried chicken. The useable calories from the salad could be debated all day until someone here points out that humans can't break down cellulose.

one cup of brown rice is 216 calories.

[SweetMuscles]

he has a masters and works in a big financial institution (probably no lie).

hahaha, utter bullshit. Mind you, if that's true then no wonder the world economy went to ratshit - giving jobs like that to people with the mental age of a four year old = disaster