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« on: April 21, 2009, 10:27:03 AM »
New Afghan law does not allow marital rape... but lets men refuse to feed wives who deny them sex, says cleric


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ew Afghan law does not allow marital rape... but lets men refuse to feed wives who deny them sex, says cleric

A new Afghan law that has drawn Western condemnation for restricting women's rights does not allow marital rape as its critics claim, but lets men refuse to feed wives who deny them sex, the cleric behind it says.

Ayatollah Mohammed Asef Mohseni's Shi'ite personal status law sparked controversy abroad because of a provision that 'a wife is obliged to fulfil the sexual desires of her husband'.

This was read by some as an open door to marital rape, and together with clauses restricting women's freedom of movement denounced as reminiscent of harsh Taliban-era rules.

The law has been criticised by Western leaders with troops fighting in Afghanistan, including U.S. President Barack Obama, who called it 'abhorrent'.

Afghanistan President Hamid Karzai, who signed the law last month, has since put it under review.

But Mohseni said the law - which only applies to the 15 percent of Afghans who are Shi'a muslims - has been misinterpreted by critics.

Its sexual clauses aimed only to ensure men's sexual needs were met within marriage, because Islam prohibited them seeking satisfaction with other women.

'Why should a man and woman get married if there is no need for a sexual relationship? Then they are like brother and sister,' he told Reuters in an interview in his recently built central Kabul mosque and university complex.

'A man and wife can negotiate how often it is reasonable to sleep together, based on his sex drive, and a woman has a right to refuse if she has a good reason,' said the bearded cleric.

'It should not be compulsory for the wife to say yes all the time, because some men have more sexual desires than others,' he said, adding that husbands should never force themselves on their wives and the law does not sanction that.

But women do have a duty to meet their husband's needs.

'If a woman says no, the man has the right not to feed her,' Mohseni said.

The law allows women to work, so they could theoretically refuse sex and support themselves, but in mainly rural Afghanistan most women are dependent on husbands.

The law is milder than the severe restrictions imposed by the Sunni Muslim Taliban, who banned all women and girls from any work or study, and from leaving the home without a male relative. But opponents still consider it a step backwards.

They also want to strike down a provision that says women can leave their home freely for work, education or medical care, but otherwise require their husband's permission to go out.

Mohseni said this was not a final word - if women want more freedom of movement, they can ask for it to be included in their marriage contract:

'If he says no, she can marry someone else.'

But in Afghanistan most marriages are arranged and women's low social status would make it hard for most to refuse a union.

The warring protests highlight the explosive nature of the women's rights debate in Afghanistan. Both sides are girding for battle over the legislation, which has sparked an international uproar since being quietly signed into law last month.

The law says a husband can demand sex with his wife every four days, unless she is ill or would be harmed by intercourse. It also regulates when and for what reasons a wife may leave her home without a male escort.

Though the law would apply only to the country's Shiites, who make up less than 20 percent of Afghanistan's 30 million people, many fear its passage marks a return to Taliban-style oppression of women.

The Taliban, who ruled Afghanistan from 1996-2001, required women to wear all-covering burqas and banned them from leaving home unless accompanied by a male relative.

Governments and rights groups around the world have condemned the legislation, and President Barack Obama has labeled it 'abhorrent.'

Afghan President Hamid Karzai has remanded the law to the Justice Department for review and put enforcement on hold.

But those who decry the legislation face quick criticism from conservative Muslim clerics and their followers, as Wednesday's protests showed.

'You are a dog! You are not a Shiite woman!' one man shouted to a young woman in a head scarf.

The woman, who held a banner reading 'We don't want Taliban law,' replied quietly: 'This is my land and my people.'

The demonstrators chose a risky spot to hold their protest - in front of the mosque of the legislation's main backer - and were easily outnumbered by supporters of the law.

They said many women had been stopped on their way to the protest.

In the end, more women demonstrated in favor of the law than against it.

A few hundred Shiite women marched with banners to join the angry men. They blamed foreigners for inciting the protests.

'We don't want foreigners interfering in our lives. They are the enemy of Afghanistan,' said 24-year-old Mariam Sajadi.

Sajadi is engaged to be married, and said she plans to ask her husband's permission to leave the house as put forth in the law.

She said other articles - such as the one allowing husbands to demand sex - have been misinterpreted by Westerners prejudiced against Islam. She did not elaborate.

On the other side of the shouting, Mehri Rezai, 32, urged her countrymen to reject the law.

'This law treats women as if we were sheep,' she said.

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« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2009, 10:32:48 AM »
New Afghan law does not allow marital rape... but lets men refuse to feed wives who deny them sex, says cleric


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ew Afghan law does not allow marital rape... but lets men refuse to feed wives who deny them sex, says cleric

A new Afghan law that has drawn Western condemnation for restricting women's rights does not allow marital rape as its critics claim, but lets men refuse to feed wives who deny them sex, the cleric behind it says.

Ayatollah Mohammed Asef Mohseni's Shi'ite personal status law sparked controversy abroad because of a provision that 'a wife is obliged to fulfil the sexual desires of her husband'.

This was read by some as an open door to marital rape, and together with clauses restricting women's freedom of movement denounced as reminiscent of harsh Taliban-era rules.

The law has been criticised by Western leaders with troops fighting in Afghanistan, including U.S. President Barack Obama, who called it 'abhorrent'.

Afghanistan President Hamid Karzai, who signed the law last month, has since put it under review.

But Mohseni said the law - which only applies to the 15 percent of Afghans who are Shi'a muslims - has been misinterpreted by critics.

Its sexual clauses aimed only to ensure men's sexual needs were met within marriage, because Islam prohibited them seeking satisfaction with other women.

'Why should a man and woman get married if there is no need for a sexual relationship? Then they are like brother and sister,' he told Reuters in an interview in his recently built central Kabul mosque and university complex.

'A man and wife can negotiate how often it is reasonable to sleep together, based on his sex drive, and a woman has a right to refuse if she has a good reason,' said the bearded cleric.

'It should not be compulsory for the wife to say yes all the time, because some men have more sexual desires than others,' he said, adding that husbands should never force themselves on their wives and the law does not sanction that.

But women do have a duty to meet their husband's needs.

'If a woman says no, the man has the right not to feed her,' Mohseni said.

The law allows women to work, so they could theoretically refuse sex and support themselves, but in mainly rural Afghanistan most women are dependent on husbands.

The law is milder than the severe restrictions imposed by the Sunni Muslim Taliban, who banned all women and girls from any work or study, and from leaving the home without a male relative. But opponents still consider it a step backwards.

They also want to strike down a provision that says women can leave their home freely for work, education or medical care, but otherwise require their husband's permission to go out.

Mohseni said this was not a final word - if women want more freedom of movement, they can ask for it to be included in their marriage contract:

'If he says no, she can marry someone else.'

But in Afghanistan most marriages are arranged and women's low social status would make it hard for most to refuse a union.

The warring protests highlight the explosive nature of the women's rights debate in Afghanistan. Both sides are girding for battle over the legislation, which has sparked an international uproar since being quietly signed into law last month.

The law says a husband can demand sex with his wife every four days, unless she is ill or would be harmed by intercourse. It also regulates when and for what reasons a wife may leave her home without a male escort.

Though the law would apply only to the country's Shiites, who make up less than 20 percent of Afghanistan's 30 million people, many fear its passage marks a return to Taliban-style oppression of women.

The Taliban, who ruled Afghanistan from 1996-2001, required women to wear all-covering burqas and banned them from leaving home unless accompanied by a male relative.

Governments and rights groups around the world have condemned the legislation, and President Barack Obama has labeled it 'abhorrent.'

Afghan President Hamid Karzai has remanded the law to the Justice Department for review and put enforcement on hold.

But those who decry the legislation face quick criticism from conservative Muslim clerics and their followers, as Wednesday's protests showed.

'You are a dog! You are not a Shiite woman!' one man shouted to a young woman in a head scarf.

The woman, who held a banner reading 'We don't want Taliban law,' replied quietly: 'This is my land and my people.'

The demonstrators chose a risky spot to hold their protest - in front of the mosque of the legislation's main backer - and were easily outnumbered by supporters of the law.

They said many women had been stopped on their way to the protest.

In the end, more women demonstrated in favor of the law than against it.

A few hundred Shiite women marched with banners to join the angry men. They blamed foreigners for inciting the protests.

'We don't want foreigners interfering in our lives. They are the enemy of Afghanistan,' said 24-year-old Mariam Sajadi.

Sajadi is engaged to be married, and said she plans to ask her husband's permission to leave the house as put forth in the law.

She said other articles - such as the one allowing husbands to demand sex - have been misinterpreted by Westerners prejudiced against Islam. She did not elaborate.

On the other side of the shouting, Mehri Rezai, 32, urged her countrymen to reject the law.

'This law treats women as if we were sheep,' she said.


So what? It's not like we ever cared about this before so why do we pretend to now?
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Re: New Afghan Law: No Sex ? ... No FOOD biotch!!
« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2009, 11:13:17 AM »
Geeze.  Bunch of cavemen. 

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« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2009, 11:16:39 AM »
Geeze.  Bunch of cavemen. 

No different from your OT heroes Beach Bum...
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« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2009, 12:21:15 PM »
So what? It's not like we ever cared about this before so why do we pretend to now?

QFT!!

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« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2009, 12:35:02 PM »
No different from your OT heroes Beach Bum...

What?  ::)  What the heck do "OT heroes" have to do with this stupid law? 

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« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2009, 12:43:13 PM »
What?  ::)  What the heck do "OT heroes" have to do with this stupid law? 

They too were barbaric, religious fanatics.
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« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2009, 12:47:05 PM »
So what? It's not like we ever cared about this before so why do we pretend to now?

Starting to sound like Slapper. Can we only discuss topics that Deicide and the other apologists deem worthy? In the grand scheme of things, no one probably cares about 90% of the shit posted on here.

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« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2009, 12:47:05 PM »
They too were barbaric, religious fanatics.

Uh.  Yeah.  O.K. . . .

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« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2009, 12:55:57 PM »
Those Clerics hold quite a lot of power.


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« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2009, 12:59:54 PM »
Starting to sound like Slapper. Can we only discuss topics that Deicide and the other apologists deem worthy? In the grand scheme of things, no one probably cares about 90% of the shit posted on here.

The issue is that it is farcical that most people who formerly couldn't locate Afghanistan on a map all of a sudden care about this shit.

But let's assume people actually care, what is the solution? Do you have one?
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« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2009, 01:01:52 PM »
The issue is that it is farcical that most people who formerly couldn't locate Afghanistan on a map all of a sudden care about this shit.

But let's assume people actually care, what is the solution? Do you have one?

Again, do you think we should only discuss topics that you deem worthy? I, for one, couldn't care less about the fact that you couldn't get laid if you fell into a barrel of vaginas but you continually post about it. Like I said, in the grand scheme of things, no one cares about the majority of the shit posted here. You need to get off your high horse, pseudo-academic.

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« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2009, 01:03:17 PM »
Again, do you think we should only discuss topics that you deem worthy? I, for one, couldn't care less about the fact that you couldn't get laid if you fell into a barrel of vaginas but you continually post about it. Like I said, in the grand scheme of things, no one cares about the majority of the shit posted here. You need to get off your high horse, pseudo-academic.

Is that you saying that you don't have a solution to the problem?
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« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2009, 01:12:41 PM »
Is that you saying that you don't have a solution to the problem?

Ahh yes, you refuse to answer my question but expect an answer to yours.  ::)

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« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2009, 01:21:29 PM »
Ahh yes, you refuse to answer my question but expect an answer to yours.  ::)

What question? I didn't see any. In this thread? I have no problem answering your questions. Whether this topic is worth or not? Every topic is 'worthy'. Nothing else has ever been claimed, except perhaps by you.
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« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2009, 01:23:48 PM »
They too were barbaric, religious fanatics.

They are not barbaric, religious fanatics now. 

They all grew up giving every one group and singing hymms

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« Reply #16 on: April 21, 2009, 03:17:47 PM »
BezerkFury apparently fell asleep during debate class, LOL!

I know, I know... "Apologist!!"

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« Reply #17 on: April 21, 2009, 03:32:33 PM »
BezerkFury apparently fell asleep during debate class, LOL!

I know, I know... "Apologist!!"

HH6,GW,BF and a few others cannot debate and resort to merely hurling names about; 'lib', 'apologist', 'anti-american' or BF's favourite one for me 'xxx...not getting laid', whenever anyone says anything that is not in line with their thinking which entails: current American foreign policy, overspending on military, CIA misdeeds or anything else deemed unpatriotic. When people have no argument to offer, most simply resort to vilification and name calling. Classic examples of that here.
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« Reply #18 on: April 21, 2009, 04:04:42 PM »
BezerkFury apparently fell asleep during debate class, LOL!

I know, I know... "Apologist!!"

Hardly. I asked Deicide what he thinks we should talk about seeing as we apparently have to OK all topics with him. He's a pompous little retard who called himself an academic when he was nothing more than a guy teaching English in Korea who couldn't get laid. I also noted that in the grand scheme of things, no one gives a shit about the majority of things posted here, which you and I both know to be true. Just look at the fact that almost every thread on this board has 5 or less posts. The funny thing is that our islam threads seem to generate the most activity. I know it stings that you are failing to stem the flow of topics about Islam on here, but give it a rest. Your act is stale.

And speaking of debating skills, Doc, yours leave a lot of to be desired.  ;)

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« Reply #19 on: April 21, 2009, 04:09:32 PM »
Hardly. I asked Deicide what he thinks we should talk about seeing as we apparently have to OK all topics with him. He's a pompous little retard who called himself an academic when he was nothing more than a guy teaching English in Korea who couldn't get laid. I also noted that in the grand scheme of things, no one gives a shit about the majority of things posted here, which you and I both know to be true. Just look at the fact that almost every thread on this board has 5 or less posts. The funny thing is that our islam threads seem to generate the most activity. I know it stings that you are failing to stem the flow of topics about Islam on here, but give it a rest. Your act is stale.

And speaking of debating skills, Doc, yours leave a lot of to be desired.  ;)

I answered your question and you have provided no answer. Like I said, the only thing you are capable of is calling people names, at not very original ones at that.
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« Reply #20 on: April 21, 2009, 04:14:03 PM »
I answered your question and you have provided no answer. Like I said, the only thing you are capable of is calling people names, at not very original ones at that.

I don't see a reply. I asked you what topics you're OK'ing us to talk about, seeing as you and your teaching certificate are all-knowing and all-powerful. Enlighten me.

I also suspect that if you're telling me what I can talk about that it's only fair that I can tell you what to talk about?

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« Reply #21 on: April 21, 2009, 04:39:01 PM »
Hardly. I asked Deicide what he thinks we should talk about seeing as we apparently have to OK all topics with him. He's a pompous little retard who called himself an academic when he was nothing more than a guy teaching English in Korea who couldn't get laid. I also noted that in the grand scheme of things, no one gives a shit about the majority of things posted here, which you and I both know to be true. Just look at the fact that almost every thread on this board has 5 or less posts. The funny thing is that our islam threads seem to generate the most activity. I know it stings that you are failing to stem the flow of topics about Islam on here, but give it a rest. Your act is stale.

And speaking of debating skills, Doc, yours leave a lot of to be desired.  ;)

You're definitely a master-debater.

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« Reply #22 on: April 21, 2009, 04:42:39 PM »
You're definitely a master-debater.

Another stellar response from the Doc. Wonderful refuting you did there. 

Maybe you missed the debate class at chiropractic school?  :D

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« Reply #23 on: April 21, 2009, 05:43:16 PM »
Another stellar response from the Doc. Wonderful refuting you did there. 

Maybe you missed the debate class at chiropractic school?  :D

There were no classes in rhetoric. That being said, it doesn't really take any debating skills to name call or repeatedly ask people the same question until they forget what the initial discussion was about. :)

Took me a while to figure out who you learned to debate from. You're like Pee Wee Herman repeatedly saying "I know you are, but what am I?" when unable to answer a question. :)

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« Reply #24 on: April 21, 2009, 06:04:10 PM »
There were no classes in rhetoric. That being said, it doesn't really take any debating skills to name call or repeatedly ask people the same question until they forget what the initial discussion was about. :)

Took me a while to figure out who you learned to debate from. You're like Pee Wee Herman repeatedly saying "I know you are, but what am I?" when unable to answer a question. :)

Cute "Doc". The obvious answer is that these clerics need to be stripped of their power. Not likely to happen, but the most logical explanation. The government shouldn't be catering to these religious nutjobs preaching to retards.

Your debate skills are extraordinary, though. I can't think of one thread regarding Islam where you've made a valid point. It usually involves you attacking the other religions (like most Muslims do anytime Islam is criticized, ironically) while you try to completely derail the thread. You're incapable of debating islam from a mutually exclusive viewpoint. And you're giving me shit about my debate skills, "Doc"? Funny.  :D