Author Topic: Waterboarding KSM Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on LA (Read 7347 times)

bigdumbbell · « **Reply #50 on:** April 22, 2009, 05:50:33 AM »

waterboarding and sleep deprivation are excellent tools. too bad we even have Miranda rights

IFBBwannaB · « **Reply #51 on:** April 22, 2009, 10:40:22 AM »

Quote from: bigdumbbell on April 22, 2009, 05:50:33 AM

waterboarding and sleep deprivation are excellent tools. too bad we even have Miranda rights

If your enemy is willing to die in order to hurt you and you're not willing to inflict light damage on him to prevent it than it's only a matter of time before he will win.

The Master · « **Reply #52 on:** April 22, 2009, 10:51:33 AM »

Quote from: IFBBwannaB on April 22, 2009, 10:40:22 AM

If your enemy is willing to die in order to hurt you and you're not willing to inflict light damage on him to prevent it than it's only a matter of time before he will win.

Badabing. If grinding a terrorist in a meatgrinder was useful, it should be done.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #53 on:** April 22, 2009, 10:58:21 AM »

Quote from: Debussey DF on April 22, 2009, 10:51:33 AM

Badabing. If grinding a terrorist in a meatgrinder was useful, it should be done.

I just cant understand the mind of a person would prefer that thousands of people die because they dont want to pour water over someone's head.

What is the principal ZERO is saying we are upholding in that?

bigdumbbell · « **Reply #54 on:** April 22, 2009, 11:19:26 AM »

Quote from: 333386 on April 22, 2009, 10:58:21 AM

I just cant understand the mind of a person would prefer that thousands of people die because they dont want to pour water over someone's head.

What is the principal ZERO is saying we are upholding in that?

i am a big liberal and i dont get it either

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #55 on:** April 22, 2009, 11:27:36 AM »

Quote from: bigdumbbell on April 22, 2009, 11:19:26 AM

i am a big liberal and i dont get it either

Im not kidding, I just cant imagine being at a funeral of a family member who was killed in a toeerorist attack and then find out later that the death could have been avoided but for our refusal to pour water over someones' head in some ivory tower "principle" that to me is a suicide pact with the devil.

bigdumbbell · « **Reply #56 on:** April 22, 2009, 11:28:58 AM »

Quote from: 333386 on April 22, 2009, 11:27:36 AM

Im not kidding, I just cant imagine being at a funeral of a family member who was killed in a toeerorist attack and then find out later that the death could have been avoided but for our refusal to pour water over someones' head in some ivory tower "principle" that to me is a suicide pact with the devil.

i'm not either...queers will be the first to be rounded up if the towel heads took over

Decker · « **Reply #57 on:** April 23, 2009, 12:43:30 PM »

Quote from: Beach Bum on April 21, 2009, 03:00:35 PM

I never said it was torture. Never said I was a conservative.

Can't pigeonhole this guy.

Except for the fact that you are a supporter of torture.

Now since the US has always held waterboarding to be torture, when did it cease to be such for you?

Quote

I think it's ridiculous to put this and us in the same category as real torture done by terrorists. Absurd.

Why is that? See Beach Bum, unsupported conclusions can lead one to absurd ends...like supporting torture.

Don't forget the Nazis and Communists. They waterboarded people as well.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #58 on:** April 23, 2009, 12:49:14 PM »

Quote from: Decker on April 23, 2009, 12:43:30 PM

Can't pigeonhole this guy.

Except for the fact that you are a supporter of torture.

Now since the US has always held waterboarding to be torture, when did it cease to be such for you?
Why is that? See Beach Bum, unsupported conclusions can lead one to absurd ends...like supporting torture.

Don't forget the Nazis and Communists. They waterboarded people as well.

They also gassed people, held mass executions without trials, etc.

Decker · « **Reply #59 on:** April 23, 2009, 12:54:51 PM »

Quote from: 333386 on April 23, 2009, 12:49:14 PM

They also gassed people, held mass executions without trials, etc.

Isn't tortue enough for you?

Now you want all this?

That's not how the good guys operate.

MCWAY · « **Reply #60 on:** April 23, 2009, 01:03:00 PM »

Quote from: Beach Bum on April 21, 2009, 11:37:52 AM

And they're considering prosecuting people for doing this??

This isn’t about whether or not it worked (or, even if it's torture) and the information gleaned, resulted in thousands of lives saved. This is about the left, obsessed with getting their pound of flesh from the Bush administration.

Decker · « **Reply #61 on:** April 23, 2009, 01:07:10 PM »

Quote from: MCWAY on April 23, 2009, 01:03:00 PM

This isn’t about whether or not it worked (or, even if it's torture) and the information gleaned, resulted in thousands of lives saved. This is about the left, obsessed with getting their pound of flesh from the Bush administration.

Wrong.

It's about Bush ordering waterboarding - something patently illegal under federal law.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #62 on:** April 23, 2009, 01:08:36 PM »

Quote from: Decker on April 23, 2009, 12:54:51 PM

Isn't tortue enough for you?

Now you want all this?

That's not how the good guys operate.

No. Pouring water of someones' head does not kill them or maim them. It does not do physical permanent harm or inflict physical damage on a person.

Gassing and executing kills a person.

Cant you see the difference?

Decker · « **Reply #63 on:** April 23, 2009, 01:21:15 PM »

Quote from: 333386 on April 23, 2009, 01:08:36 PM

No. Pouring water of someones' head does not kill them or maim them. It does not do physical permanent harm or inflict physical damage on a person.

Gassing and executing kills a person.

Cant you see the difference?

I was commenting on your apparent call for gassing people, etc. Isn't torture enough?

It's a joke son.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #64 on:** April 23, 2009, 01:25:19 PM »

Quote from: Decker on April 23, 2009, 01:21:15 PM

I was commenting on your apparent call for gassing people, etc. Isn't torture enough?

It's a joke son.

I have been up since 5:30 and have been dealing with deadbeats all day.

Decker · « **Reply #65 on:** April 23, 2009, 01:40:21 PM »

Quote from: 333386 on April 23, 2009, 01:25:19 PM

I have been up since 5:30 and have been dealing with deadbeats all day.

I'm in the same boat.

Have a cup of joe...I'm on my 8th.

Dos Equis · « **Reply #66 on:** April 23, 2009, 02:08:37 PM »

Quote from: Decker on April 23, 2009, 12:43:30 PM

Can't pigeonhole this guy.

Except for the fact that you are a supporter of torture.

Now since the US has always held waterboarding to be torture, when did it cease to be such for you?
Why is that? See Beach Bum, unsupported conclusions can lead one to absurd ends...like supporting torture.

Don't forget the Nazis and Communists. They waterboarded people as well.

No, you cannot.

I'm a supporter of those who are doing whatever they can to protect us from the animals who want to kill us.

Nice spin on your questions. It's like the "when did you stop beating your wife" questions. It assumes that at some point in time I concluded waterboarding was torture. Not true.

Who cares about Nazis and Communisits?

tu_holmes · « **Reply #67 on:** April 23, 2009, 02:10:13 PM »

Quote from: 333386 on April 23, 2009, 01:08:36 PM

No. Pouring water of someones' head does not kill them or maim them. It does not do physical permanent harm or inflict physical damage on a person.

Gassing and executing kills a person.

Cant you see the difference?

Torture is also mental... Chinese water torture never physically killed anyone, but it's still torture right?

1 drop of water at a time.

Dos Equis · « **Reply #68 on:** April 23, 2009, 02:31:07 PM »

Quote from: MCWAY on April 23, 2009, 01:03:00 PM

This isn’t about whether or not it worked (or, even if it's torture) and the information gleaned, resulted in thousands of lives saved. This is about the left, obsessed with getting their pound of flesh from the Bush administration.

Exactly. Seems to happen whenever there is a turnover. Purely political.

tu_holmes · « **Reply #69 on:** April 23, 2009, 02:35:27 PM »

Quote from: Beach Bum on April 23, 2009, 02:31:07 PM

Exactly. Seems to happen whenever there is a turnover. Purely political.

I disagree... I'm not trying to charge Bush with any crime or talk about whether or not someone did something illegal.

I just want people to understand that torture is wrong.

Nothing more, nothing less... What scares me is how the most Christian lovers of peace are the ones in this thread who are so adamant that these non peaceful measure are not torture and are good.

That bothers me a little.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #70 on:** April 23, 2009, 02:38:34 PM »

Quote from: tu_holmes on April 23, 2009, 02:10:13 PM

Torture is also mental... Chinese water torture never physically killed anyone, but it's still torture right?

1 drop of water at a time.

By your definition we cant even scream or yell at people.

tu_holmes · « **Reply #71 on:** April 23, 2009, 02:54:38 PM »

Quote from: 333386 on April 23, 2009, 02:38:34 PM

By your definition we cant even scream or yell at people.

You equate chinese water torture with yelling at people?

There is physical duress during all of these "methods", so I'm afraid your leap doesn't really make a lot of sense here.

No, they're not dying, but there is physical and mental trauma being performed at the same time.

Dos Equis · « **Reply #72 on:** April 23, 2009, 03:00:00 PM »

Quote from: tu_holmes on April 23, 2009, 02:35:27 PM

I disagree... I'm not trying to charge Bush with any crime or talk about whether or not someone did something illegal.

I just want people to understand that torture is wrong.

Nothing more, nothing less... What scares me is how the most Christian lovers of peace are the ones in this thread who are so adamant that these non peaceful measure are not torture and are good.

That bothers me a little.

Then you're the exception. The attempt to investigate members of the Bush administration over this "torture" crap is nothing more than partisan politics at its worst.

headhuntersix · « **Reply #73 on:** April 23, 2009, 03:00:12 PM »

I think its torture...its not really harming them...i'd do anything and everything if it worked and kept this country safe...but waterboarding is torture...I guess.

The ChemistV2 · « **Reply #74 on:** April 23, 2009, 03:13:12 PM »

Quote from: headhuntersix on April 23, 2009, 03:00:12 PM

I think its torture...its not really harming them...i'd do anything and everything if it worked and kept this country safe...but waterboarding is torture...I guess.

You seem well informed. My question is do Geneva Convention rules on P.O.W's apply to terrorists who act without the explicit authority of their Country? Isn't that why the whole Enemy Combatant loophole allowed the "harsh" treatment of them?