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CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on Los Angeles
Tuesday, April 21, 2009

By Terence P. Jeffrey, Editor-in-Chief

Khalid Sheik Mohammad, a top al Qaeda leader who divulged information -- after being waterboarded -- that allowed the U.S. government to stop a planned terrorist attack on Los Angeles. (CNSNews.com) - The Central Intelligence Agency told CNSNews.com today that it stands by the assertion made in a May 30, 2005 Justice Department memo that the use of “enhanced techniques” of interrogation on al Qaeda leader Khalid Sheik Mohammed (KSM) -- including the use of waterboarding -- caused KSM to reveal information that allowed the U.S. government to thwart a planned attack on Los Angeles.
 
Before he was waterboarded, when KSM was asked about planned attacks on the United States, he ominously told his CIA interrogators, “Soon, you will know.”
 
According to the previously classified May 30, 2005 Justice Department memo that was released by President Barack Obama last week, the thwarted attack -- which KSM called the “Second Wave”-- planned “ ‘to use East Asian operatives to crash a hijacked airliner into’ a building in Los Angeles.”

KSM was the mastermind of the first “hijacked-airliner” attacks on the United States, which struck the World Trade Center in New York and the Pentagon in Northern Virginia on Sept. 11, 2001.
 
After KSM was captured by the United States, he was not initially cooperative with CIA interrogators.  Nor was another top al Qaeda leader named Zubaydah.  KSM, Zubaydah, and a third terrorist named Nashiri were the only three persons ever subjected to waterboarding by the CIA. (Additional terrorist detainees were subjected to other “enhanced techniques” that included slapping, sleep deprivation, dietary limitations, and temporary confinement to small spaces -- but not to water-boarding.)

This was because the CIA imposed very tight restrictions on the use of waterboarding. “The ‘waterboard,’ which is the most intense of the CIA interrogation techniques, is subject to additional limits,” explained the May 30, 2005 Justice Department memo. “It may be used on a High Value Detainee only if the CIA has ‘credible intelligence that a terrorist attack is imminent’; ‘substantial and credible indicators that the subject has actionable intelligence that can prevent, disrupt or deny this attack’; and ‘
  • ther interrogation methods have failed to elicit this information within the perceived time limit for preventing the attack.’”
  • [/b] The quotations in this part of the Justice memo were taken from an Aug. 2, 2004 letter that CIA Acting General Counsel John A. Rizzo sent to the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel.
     
Before they were subjected to “enhanced techniques” of interrogation that included waterboarding, KSM and Zubaydah were not only uncooperative but also appeared contemptuous of the will of the American people to defend themselves.
 
“In particular, the CIA believes that it would have been unable to obtain critical information from numerous detainees, including KSM and Abu Zubaydah, without these enhanced techniques,” says the Justice Department memo. “Both KSM and Zubaydah had ‘expressed their belief that the general US population was ‘weak,’ lacked resilience, and would be unable to ‘do what was necessary’ to prevent the terrorists from succeeding in their goals.’   Indeed, before the CIA used enhanced techniques in its interrogation of KSM, KSM resisted giving any answers to questions about future attacks, simply noting, ‘Soon you will know.’”
 
After he was subjected to the “waterboard” technique, KSM became cooperative, providing intelligence that led to the capture of key al Qaeda allies and, eventually, the closing down of an East Asian terrorist cell that had been tasked with carrying out the 9/11-style attack on Los Angeles.

The May 30, 2005 Justice Department memo that details what happened in this regard was written by then-Principal Deputy Attorney General Steven G. Bradbury to John A. Rizzo, the senior deputy general counsel for the CIA.
 
“You have informed us that the interrogation of KSM—once enhanced techniques were employed—led to the discovery of a KSM plot, the ‘Second Wave,’ ‘to use East Asian operatives to crash a hijacked airliner into’ a building in Los Angeles,” says the memo.
 
“You have informed us that information obtained from KSM also led to the capture of Riduan bin Isomuddin, better known as Hambali, and the discover of the Guraba Cell, a 17-member Jemaah Islamiyah cell tasked with executing the ‘Second Wave,’” reads the memo. “More specifically, we understand that KSM admitted that he had [redaction] large sum of money to an al Qaeda associate [redaction] … Khan subsequently identified the associate (Zubair), who was then captured. Zubair, in turn, provided information that led to the arrest of Hambali. The information acquired from these captures allowed CIA interrogators to pose more specific questions to KSM, which led the CIA to Hambali’s brother, al Hadi. Using information obtained from multiple sources, al-Hadi was captured, and he subsequently identified the Garuba cell. With the aid of this additional information, interrogations of Hambali confirmed much of what was learned from KSM.”
 
A CIA spokesman confirmed to CNSNews.com today that the CIA stands by the factual assertions made here.
 
In the memo itself, the Justice Department’s Bradbury told the CIA’s Rossi: “Your office has informed us that the CIA believes that ‘the intelligence acquired from these interrogations has been a key reason why al Qa’ida has failed to launch a spectacular attack in the West since 11 September 2001.”
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I will say it now:

1.  I have no problem with DHS saying I am a potential domestic enemy for my beliefs

2.  Obama is a traitor and sleeper cell islamic marxist

3.  The CIA saved lives by pouring water over this murderers; head.

4.  Islam is a death cult

5.  Obama could care less if thousands of citizens are killed in a 9/11 style attack.

6.  Obama is and will always be a miserable disgrace worse than Carter.


FUBO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 



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Re: Waterboarding KSM Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on LA
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2009, 11:37:52 AM »
And they're considering prosecuting people for doing this??   >:( >:( >:(

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Re: Waterboarding KSM Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on LA
« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2009, 11:49:59 AM »
its all just a political show to the public, beach. we all know that 'strong interrogation methods' have always been there, and in reality they arent going to go away now.

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Re: Waterboarding KSM Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on LA
« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2009, 11:57:05 AM »
People like Decker would rather the US get nuked than waterboard a terrorist mastermind. As long as we dont "stoop" to their level, its ok if everyone is killed in the process.  ::)

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Re: Waterboarding KSM Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on LA
« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2009, 12:14:49 PM »
 It's getting very difficult not to get angry on a daily basis lately at the ridiculous measures this administration is imposing. "Let's not make the poor, misunderstood Terrorist uncomfortable. He has a legitamate grievance. Certainly his comfort and well being are more important than the potential innocent victims of an attack." So are the rights of the Illegal alien child rapist, the rights of NAMBLA..it just gets worse and worse. How did this happen to America?

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Re: Waterboarding KSM Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on LA
« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2009, 12:35:42 PM »
It's getting very difficult not to get angry on a daily basis lately at the ridiculous measures this administration is imposing. "Let's not make the poor, misunderstood Terrorist uncomfortable. He has a legitamate grievance. Certainly his comfort and well being are more important than the potential innocent victims of an attack." So are the rights of the Illegal alien child rapist, the rights of NAMBLA..it just gets worse and worse. How did this happen to America?

The facts are now clear as day that waterboarding does work. 

Hey Decker - try to refute this article please!

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Re: Waterboarding KSM Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on LA
« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2009, 12:46:01 PM »
of course torture works if you have the right guy.  thats common sense

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Re: Waterboarding KSM Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on LA
« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2009, 12:47:05 PM »
of course torture works if you have the right guy.  thats common sense

KSM masterminded 9/11 and liberals like Decker are going to cry over water being poured over his head????

 

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Re: Waterboarding KSM Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on LA
« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2009, 12:52:29 PM »

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Would you have a problem if they water boarded you as a result?

 ;) :D ;D

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Re: Waterboarding KSM Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on LA
« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2009, 12:55:50 PM »
Would you have a problem if they water boarded you as a result?

 ;) :D ;D


I did not kill 3000 people 10 miles from where I live like KSM did. 

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Re: Waterboarding KSM Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on LA
« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2009, 12:56:16 PM »
CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on Los Angeles
Tuesday, April 21, 2009

By Terence P. Jeffrey, Editor-in-Chief

Khalid Sheik Mohammad, a top al Qaeda leader who divulged information -- after being waterboarded -- that allowed the U.S. government to stop a planned terrorist attack on Los Angeles. (CNSNews.com) - The Central Intelligence Agency told CNSNews.com today that it stands by the assertion made in a May 30, 2005 Justice Department memo that the use of “enhanced techniques” of interrogation on al Qaeda leader Khalid Sheik Mohammed (KSM) -- including the use of waterboarding -- caused KSM to reveal information that allowed the U.S. government to thwart a planned attack on Los Angeles.
 
Before he was waterboarded, when KSM was asked about planned attacks on the United States, he ominously told his CIA interrogators, “Soon, you will know.”
 
According to the previously classified May 30, 2005 Justice Department memo that was released by President Barack Obama last week, the thwarted attack -- which KSM called the “Second Wave”-- planned “ ‘to use East Asian operatives to crash a hijacked airliner into’ a building in Los Angeles.”

KSM was the mastermind of the first “hijacked-airliner” attacks on the United States, which struck the World Trade Center in New York and the Pentagon in Northern Virginia on Sept. 11, 2001.
 
After KSM was captured by the United States, he was not initially cooperative with CIA interrogators.  Nor was another top al Qaeda leader named Zubaydah.  KSM, Zubaydah, and a third terrorist named Nashiri were the only three persons ever subjected to waterboarding by the CIA. (Additional terrorist detainees were subjected to other “enhanced techniques” that included slapping, sleep deprivation, dietary limitations, and temporary confinement to small spaces -- but not to water-boarding.)

This was because the CIA imposed very tight restrictions on the use of waterboarding. “The ‘waterboard,’ which is the most intense of the CIA interrogation techniques, is subject to additional limits,” explained the May 30, 2005 Justice Department memo. “It may be used on a High Value Detainee only if the CIA has ‘credible intelligence that a terrorist attack is imminent’; ‘substantial and credible indicators that the subject has actionable intelligence that can prevent, disrupt or deny this attack’; and ‘
  • ther interrogation methods have failed to elicit this information within the perceived time limit for preventing the attack.’”
  • [/b] The quotations in this part of the Justice memo were taken from an Aug. 2, 2004 letter that CIA Acting General Counsel John A. Rizzo sent to the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel.
     
Before they were subjected to “enhanced techniques” of interrogation that included waterboarding, KSM and Zubaydah were not only uncooperative but also appeared contemptuous of the will of the American people to defend themselves.
 
“In particular, the CIA believes that it would have been unable to obtain critical information from numerous detainees, including KSM and Abu Zubaydah, without these enhanced techniques,” says the Justice Department memo. “Both KSM and Zubaydah had ‘expressed their belief that the general US population was ‘weak,’ lacked resilience, and would be unable to ‘do what was necessary’ to prevent the terrorists from succeeding in their goals.’   Indeed, before the CIA used enhanced techniques in its interrogation of KSM, KSM resisted giving any answers to questions about future attacks, simply noting, ‘Soon you will know.’”
 
After he was subjected to the “waterboard” technique, KSM became cooperative, providing intelligence that led to the capture of key al Qaeda allies and, eventually, the closing down of an East Asian terrorist cell that had been tasked with carrying out the 9/11-style attack on Los Angeles.

The May 30, 2005 Justice Department memo that details what happened in this regard was written by then-Principal Deputy Attorney General Steven G. Bradbury to John A. Rizzo, the senior deputy general counsel for the CIA.
 
“You have informed us that the interrogation of KSM—once enhanced techniques were employed—led to the discovery of a KSM plot, the ‘Second Wave,’ ‘to use East Asian operatives to crash a hijacked airliner into’ a building in Los Angeles,” says the memo.
 
“You have informed us that information obtained from KSM also led to the capture of Riduan bin Isomuddin, better known as Hambali, and the discover of the Guraba Cell, a 17-member Jemaah Islamiyah cell tasked with executing the ‘Second Wave,’” reads the memo. “More specifically, we understand that KSM admitted that he had [redaction] large sum of money to an al Qaeda associate [redaction] … Khan subsequently identified the associate (Zubair), who was then captured. Zubair, in turn, provided information that led to the arrest of Hambali. The information acquired from these captures allowed CIA interrogators to pose more specific questions to KSM, which led the CIA to Hambali’s brother, al Hadi. Using information obtained from multiple sources, al-Hadi was captured, and he subsequently identified the Garuba cell. With the aid of this additional information, interrogations of Hambali confirmed much of what was learned from KSM.”
 
A CIA spokesman confirmed to CNSNews.com today that the CIA stands by the factual assertions made here.
 
In the memo itself, the Justice Department’s Bradbury told the CIA’s Rossi: “Your office has informed us that the CIA believes that ‘the intelligence acquired from these interrogations has been a key reason why al Qa’ida has failed to launch a spectacular attack in the West since 11 September 2001.”
________________________ ________________________ ________________________ _________

I will say it now:

1.  I have no problem with DHS saying I am a potential domestic enemy for my beliefs

2.  Obama is a traitor and sleeper cell islamic marxist

3.  The CIA saved lives by pouring water over this murderers; head.

4.  Islam is a death cult

5.  Obama could care less if thousands of citizens are killed in a 9/11 style attack.

6.  Obama is and will always be a miserable disgrace worse than Carter.


FUBO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 




I guess you are not exacly a non-interventionist... :-\
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Re: Waterboarding KSM Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on LA
« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2009, 12:56:44 PM »

I did not kill 3000 people 10 miles from where I live like KSM did. 

No way to tell unless we water board you.   ;D

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Re: Waterboarding KSM Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on LA
« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2009, 12:57:42 PM »
I dont believe the constitution is a suicide pact and realize that we are facing an emeny who uses our weakness, timidity, stupidity, and self loathing, against us.


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Re: Waterboarding KSM Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on LA
« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2009, 12:58:35 PM »
No way to tell unless we water board you.   ;D

Ha ha.  KSM is evil incarnate and I would kill him myself if they let me. 

I live 10 miles from ground zero and remember that day all too well.   

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Re: Waterboarding KSM Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on LA
« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2009, 01:01:42 PM »
I dont believe the constitution is a suicide pact and realize that we are facing an emeny who uses our weakness, timidity, stupidity, and self loathing, against us.



So why do you support Ron Paul then? Because of his economics? ???
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Re: Waterboarding KSM Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on LA
« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2009, 01:03:07 PM »
Ha ha.  KSM is evil incarnate and I would kill him myself if they let me. 

I live 10 miles from ground zero and remember that day all too well.   

I have mixed views on the whole torture thing.  In this case it seemed worth it.

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Re: Waterboarding KSM Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on LA
« Reply #16 on: April 21, 2009, 01:04:45 PM »
So why do you support Ron Paul then? Because of his economics? ???

Mostly.  

However, I am also mature enough to understand that it is better for 1 person to get waterboarded than 3000 killed.

If its my family that dies because of some bizarre idea that pouring water over someones' head is not allowed , I am not going to be too receptive at the funeral when some liberal homo stands there and says "well, we kept true to our values".

Screw that.  you get yourself killed if you want, i'm not down for that.  

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Re: Waterboarding KSM Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on LA
« Reply #17 on: April 21, 2009, 01:08:30 PM »
Mostly.  

However, I am also mature enough to understand that it is better for 1 person to get waterboarded than 3000 killed.

If its my family that dies because of some bizarre idea that pouring water over someones' head is not allowed , I am not going to be too receptive at the funeral when some liberal homo stands there and says "well, we kept true to our values".

Screw that.  you get yourself killed if you want, i'm not down for that.  

I understand that side too.   If someone holds information that would save lives it seems prudent to torture them.  But at the same time, often torture doesn't yield measurable results and is sometimes used with out reason.

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Re: Waterboarding KSM Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on LA
« Reply #18 on: April 21, 2009, 01:11:52 PM »
Mostly.  

However, I am also mature enough to understand that it is better for 1 person to get waterboarded than 3000 killed.

If its my family that dies because of some bizarre idea that pouring water over someones' head is not allowed , I am not going to be too receptive at the funeral when some liberal homo stands there and says "well, we kept true to our values".

Screw that.  you get yourself killed if you want, i'm not down for that.  

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Re: Waterboarding KSM Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on LA
« Reply #19 on: April 21, 2009, 01:19:18 PM »
Do you support the American Empire?

So we should be a pinata?

Its not an either or situation.  The constitution requires us to defend our nation. 

I am not for being a global empire, but at the same time, we also have DUTY & OBLIGATION to defend the citizens from attack.

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Re: Waterboarding KSM Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on LA
« Reply #20 on: April 21, 2009, 01:23:40 PM »
most here would support waterboarding 1000 arabs to find one ksm.

would you support the waterboarding of 1000 americans?

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« Reply #21 on: April 21, 2009, 01:26:12 PM »
most here would support waterboarding 1000 arabs to find one ksm.

would you support the waterboarding of 1000 americans?

Of course not, but that is not what happened and that is not what does happen in real life.

What happened in real life is far different than the nonsense the liberal garbage spewed every day.

 

 

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« Reply #22 on: April 21, 2009, 01:26:22 PM »
most here would support waterboarding 1000 arabs to find one ksm.

would you support the waterboarding of 1000 americans?

No. Americans are inherentlys more valuable than other human beings. That is a fact.
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Re: Waterboarding KSM Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on LA
« Reply #23 on: April 21, 2009, 02:20:57 PM »
What a stupid example by 240-- Why not ask, would you waterboard 1000 kittens or small children.  ::)

Does reality ever come into play?

If the argument is, waterboarding is acceptable when you have the right people-- Obama and the neo liberals here disagree with you. Reality and necessity dont matter-- its about "principle".

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Re: Waterboarding KSM Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on LA
« Reply #24 on: April 21, 2009, 02:32:19 PM »
What a stupid example by 240-- Why not ask, would you waterboard 1000 kittens or small children.  ::)

Does reality ever come into play?

If the argument is, waterboarding is acceptable when you have the right people-- Obama and the neo liberals here disagree with you. Reality and necessity dont matter-- its about "principle".

I agree. 

We should also keep in mind that we're not dealing with conventional enemies.  We're not interrogating soldiers of a military force that actually follows rules of engagement.  We're dealing with animals who will blow themselves and noncombatants up.