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Does this constitute hate speech?
« on: April 21, 2009, 04:42:02 PM »
“Muslims are the vilest of animals…”

“Show mercy to one another, but be ruthless to Muslims”

“How perverse are Muslims!”

“Strike off the heads of Muslims, as well as their fingertips”

“Fight those Muslims who are near to you”

“Muslim mischief makers should be murdered or crucified”

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Re: Does this constitute hate speech?
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2009, 04:44:59 PM »
no it sounds like garden variety trash talk that we're all quite familiar with

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Re: Does this constitute hate speech?
« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2009, 05:01:53 PM »
“Muslims are the vilest of animals…”

“Show mercy to one another, but be ruthless to Muslims”

“How perverse are Muslims!”

“Strike off the heads of Muslims, as well as their fingertips”

“Fight those Muslims who are near to you”

“Muslim mischief makers should be murdered or crucified”

?????

Absolutely! (When examined under the light of your particular usage)... they are words twisted & taken out of context to alarm people, in a transparent and feeble effort to bolster a stupid argument not worth making.

When examined for what they are (in context) they are the words of someone written long ago in the context of their crude understanding. Although the names have been changed (and surely not to protect the innocent) they represent a birds eyes view into a primitive mentality. Not unlike many words that depict the primitive mentality on display and to be found in ancient & revered Western texts like the bible.
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Re: Does this constitute hate speech?
« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2009, 05:06:04 PM »
“Muslims are the vilest of animals…”

“Show mercy to one another, but be ruthless to Muslims”

“How perverse are Muslims!”

“Strike off the heads of Muslims, as well as their fingertips”

“Fight those Muslims who are near to you”

“Muslim mischief makers should be murdered or crucified”

?????
Sounds like a Islamist hate speech with "American" or infidel"  switched out for "muslim"

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Re: Does this constitute hate speech?
« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2009, 05:25:52 PM »
Absolutely! (When examined under the light of your particular usage)... they are words twisted & taken out of context to alarm people, in a transparent and feeble effort to bolster a stupid argument not worth making.

When examined for what they are (in context) they are the words of someone written long ago in the context of their crude understanding. Although the names have been changed (and surely not to protect the innocent) they represent a birds eyes view into a primitive mentality. Not unlike many words that depict the primitive mentality on display and to be found in ancient & revered Western texts like the bible.

Hate speech?  Incitement to violence?  Sounds like it to us, but a knowledgeable Muslim would have to disagree.

Why would Muslims not consider this to be hate speech?  How is it that we can post these quotes with full certainty that CAIR won't be contacting the media (or Congress) with wild-eyed accusations of Islamophobia?

Well, for one thing, we don’t actually agree with any of these disgusting statements, of course.  But the real reason is that Muslims themselves honestly believe these quotes to be the literal, eternal word of Allah.  In fact, CAIR is promoting this hate speech on their own website!  It is actively propagating the very literature that contains these comments, even while sanctimoniously claiming that it is working against hate and violence.

But… isn't CAIR a Muslim organization?  What’s the catch?

Well, if you haven’t guessed it already, these are quotes from the Qur’an in which we've replaced the word ‘Christian’, ‘Jew’ or ‘unbeliever’ with the word ‘Muslim.’

Here is how they actually appear in the literature that groups like CAIR are pushing:

    Sura (8:55) - Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve

    Sura (48:29) - Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves

    Sura (9:30) - And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah... Allah (Himself) fights against them. How perverse are they!

    Sura (8:12) - I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them

    Sura (9:123) - O you who believe! Fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness

    Sura (5:33) - The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement

These verses come from five different places in the Qur’an.  There are dozens of others scattered throughout that advocate violence in open-ended fashion.  There are hundreds more that speak of hatred and hell toward Christians, Jews, and other non-believers.   (Is it any wonder that the Muslim world is split largely between those who tacitly support Islamic terror and those who do nothing about it?)

Very few of these verses are bound by historical context within the text of the Qur’an, and any appeal to external sources for mitigation would apply also to the tiny handful of verses that are used (disingenuously) to promote Islam as being loving and tolerant.  More importantly, there is a far greater number of violent verses than ones of tolerance, and most were “revealed” later, thus abrogating the handful of earlier ones.

And yet, this is the book that CAIR wants people to read!  This is what CAIR considers to be holy text, even to the extent that an exact replica of the Qur’an (grammatical errors and all) is said to be on a table in heaven guarded by angels.

So, the next time you hear CAIR smugly accusing its critics of “hate speech,” just remember what the organization's agenda really is:   

    They don’t mind hate speech directed at non-Muslims.  In fact, they promote it.

    They don't mind religious minorities being denied rights that Muslims have in Muslims societies.  In fact, they plug fatwas and religious literature that encourage discrimination.

    They don't even mind the vast amount of terrorism in the name of Islam.  In fact, they refuse to acknowledge and denounce more than 99% of it, including the on-going genocide against black Africans by Arabs.

The language of civil rights and tolerance is merely a tool of convenience for prominent Muslim organizations in the West to advance the cause of Islamic supremacy.  A true civil rights organization, however, is concerned about rights for all people, regardless of race or religion, and this is something that Islam has never been able to produce... and probably never will...

At least according to our Qur’an!



Taken out of context? Perplexing. There are dozens upon dozens of prominent Muslim clerics who reference these very verses in the speeches given today. Funny that you make excuses by trying to claim they aren't used today. Hilarious!

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Re: Does this constitute hate speech?
« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2009, 12:19:00 AM »
Hate speech?  Incitement to violence?  Sounds like it to us, but a knowledgeable Muslim would have to disagree.

Why would Muslims not consider this to be hate speech?  How is it that we can post these quotes with full certainty that CAIR won't be contacting the media (or Congress) with wild-eyed accusations of Islamophobia?

Probably for the same reason that people can quote passages from the Bible.

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Taken out of context? Perplexing. There are dozens upon dozens of prominent Muslim clerics who reference these very verses in the speeches given today. Funny that you make excuses by trying to claim they aren't used today. Hilarious!

Like I said, it is not unlike many words that depict the primitive mentality on display and to be found in ancient & revered texts like the bible which is also in use today.

btw - This isn't the religion board.
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Re: Does this constitute hate speech?
« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2009, 12:38:48 PM »
Probably for the same reason that people can quote passages from the Bible.

Like I said, it is not unlike many words that depict the primitive mentality on display and to be found in ancient & revered texts like the bible which is also in use today.

btw - This isn't the religion board.

Really? I don't see too many speeches on youtube given by christian priests telling us to slice the heads off of non-Muslims. Or to make martyrs out of ourselves by blowing ourselves up in public. Please point me to them.

This thread has nothing to do with religion. It's about hate speech, a valid political argument. If you can't debate it because you can't wrap your 160 IQ (the same IQ that Einstein had, hahaha) around it, just mosey on down to the mall and continue to peddle your shitty gas caps at the little booth you've got.



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Re: Does this constitute hate speech?
« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2009, 02:20:27 PM »
Really? I don't see too many speeches on youtube given by christian priests telling us to slice the heads off of non-Muslims. Or to make martyrs out of ourselves by blowing ourselves up in public. Please point me to them.

Maybe you should have done a little research on whites and Catholisim which to date has an estimated 600 MILLION deaths under its belt of killing many races including whites for not accepting its version of religion (which has nothing to do with the Bible), this is followed by the whites who 'arrived' in america (Columbus) claiming to bring Christianity and instead brought death, dismemberment, cruelty to millions of the Native People who met them and treated the so well. This is followed by Cortez who entered in to Central America supposedly once again baring Christianity but instead brought massive amounts of DEATH...Conclude that with Pizzaro who entereed into South America claiming to bring Christianity, but instead brought death to millions with disease, violence and torture. Today the religious symbol has been replaced with so called DEMOCRACY and that is now the excuse to kill MILLIONS claiming to making the invaded country's life better. Since the democracy game, hundreds of millions have been killed by all manner of means...including beheading, nuclear boms, depleted uranium, biological weapons and chemical...so before you go through another brainsless rant about other religious beliefs or ideologies YOU deem violent or make BLANKET STATEMENTS about other races...LOOK FIRST AT YOUR VIOLENT OWN

This thread has nothing to do with religion. It's about hate speech, a valid political argument. If you can't debate it because you can't wrap your 160 IQ (the same IQ that Einstein had, hahaha) around it, just mosey on down to the mall and continue to peddle your shitty gas caps at the little booth you've got.

For your uneducated information Einstein was an IDIOT who dropped out of school becasue of poor grades, Einstein's teachers described him  as being of average intelligence and he could not get into engineering school in Vienna that so many other Germans were able to enter, because he FAILED THE TESTS. Einstein ended up being a washed up painter for years before a friend of his got him a job in a patent office as a low 3rd level clerk... and then Lo and Behold he all of a sudden turned into a GENIUS...I guess that is what you call it when you STEAL the inventions of others. Give me a break on the Einstein crap. You wanna know about Issac Newton who was TOTALLY ILLITERATE and came from illiterate parents???

ANYWAY your comment is HATE SPEECH which is grounded in RELIGION (guess you just are not smart enough to see that) as the HATE is equated with ISLAM...The US and Britain have demonized and radicalized Islam in order to justify the attack on Islam, Arabs and the Middle East as well as make it easier to steal the oil in the region, while at the same time has made SMALL MINDED people like yourself loathingly racially and religiously hateful of these people who have done nothing to you.





Are you still working with that convicted criminal, by the way?  ???
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Re: Does this constitute hate speech?
« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2009, 07:34:08 PM »
Really? I don't see too many speeches on youtube given by christian priests telling us to slice the heads off of non-Muslims. Or to make martyrs out of ourselves by blowing ourselves up in public. Please point me to them.

This thread has nothing to do with religion. It's about hate speech, a valid political argument. If you can't debate it because you can't wrap your 160 IQ (the same IQ that Einstein had, hahaha) around it, just mosey on down to the mall and continue to peddle your shitty gas caps at the little booth you've got.


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