Dorian had Unmatched Conditioning!

[Royal Lion]

Hulkster, can you honestly say after seeing the vid I posted that Dorian did not have excellent conditioning? (I know you'd have to forget about Ronnie for two seconds which is asking a lot.) 

Btw...there are pics of Ronnie with rolls of skin on his lower back (just look in this thread), but I would still say he was extremely well-conditioned in most Olympia appearances.

[Hulkster]

Hulkster, can you honestly say after seeing the vid I posted that Dorian did not have excellent conditioning?

show me where I said that...

he had great conditioning. some of the best ever.

but it was surpassed by Ronnie at his peak. as others on this thread have correctly pointed out.

[JOHN MATRIX]

they just had different 'looks'; dorian had a 'grainy-ness' that few ever had, but ronald had far more cuts and separation.

[Royal Lion]

they just had different 'looks'; dorian had a 'grainy-ness' that few ever had, but ronald had far more cuts and separation.

Agree totally.  It just comes down to one's subjective preference, hence the never ending "truce" thread.  It's fine to agree to disagree.  I prefer Dorian, but Ronnie was unreal in 98-99, 2001 AC and 2003.  Unfortunatley, I don't think any of today's pros compare to those of the 90s.

[NarcissisticDeity]

wrong, Andreas Munzer and Ronnie Coleman both surpassed Dorian's level of conditioning. You don't achieve better separation and striations by carrying more body fat and water.

First, I didn't disagree with Peter McGough's claim that Ronnie was never harder or drier than Dorian.

again your quote

I'm sorry but Peter McGough is an idiot if he thinks 01 ASC Ronnie never surpassed Dorian's conditioning.

Boom 

4. A lot of people say that you are the only pro bodybuilder that could go head to head with Ronnie Coleman.  Like him, you were the only other to be able to gain so much mass in one year. What are your thoughts on this?


Dorian Yates - A. I get asked that question all the time, and I can’t really give an answer.  I have actually beaten Ronnie, but then he wasn’t at the stage he is now.  He is probably carrying more muscle than I did, but I feel I had better conditioning than him.


Boom 

While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.

On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.


Boom 

and let me preempt you I did follow you into this thread only to highlight your hypocrisy and correct your claim 

[NarcissisticDeity]

show me where I said that...

he had great conditioning. some of the best ever.

but it was surpassed by Ronnie at his peak. as others on this thread have correctly pointed out.

Many occasions you claimed Dorian's conditioning was a myth , I can find the quotes if you like 

[Royal Lion]

First, I didn't disagree with Peter McGough's claim that Ronnie was never harder or drier than Dorian.

again your quote

I'm sorry but Peter McGough is an idiot if he thinks 01 ASC Ronnie never surpassed Dorian's conditioning.

Boom 

4. A lot of people say that you are the only pro bodybuilder that could go head to head with Ronnie Coleman.  Like him, you were the only other to be able to gain so much mass in one year. What are your thoughts on this?


Dorian Yates - A. I get asked that question all the time, and I can’t really give an answer.  I have actually beaten Ronnie, but then he wasn’t at the stage he is now.  He is probably carrying more muscle than I did, but I feel I had better conditioning than him.


Boom 

While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.

On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.


Boom 

and let me preempt you I did follow you into this thread only to highlight your hypocrisy and correct your claim 

ND had you seen this video of Dorian?  It is from the 94 English Gran Prix.  I think it is the best illustration of his conditioning out there as far as vids go.

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND had you seen this video of Dorian?  It is from the 94 English Gran Prix.  I think it is the best illustration of his conditioning out there as far as vids go.

I actually have seen this vid , his conditioning was on another level density & dryness combined with mass that's Dorian

[Royal Lion]

I actually have seen this vid , his conditioning was on another level density & dryness combined with mass that's Dorian

I am assuming the Gran Prix was after the Olympia, so he must have improved as 94 was not his best O appearance (although he was justified in winning IMO). 

[Hulkster]

I actually have seen this vid

he has blown many a load to it..

[NarcissisticDeity]

I am assuming the Gran Prix was after the Olympia, so he must have improved as 94 was not his best O appearance (although he was justified in winning IMO). 

He did improve here is another shot from one of the other Grand Prix's from 1994

[Royal Lion]

He did improve here is another shot from one of the other Grand Prix's from 1994

Great shot!  Look at that "paper thin back" 

[NarcissisticDeity]

he has blown many a load to it..

Ha ha ha ha coming from the guy who compares Ronnie's glutes from one year to another  remember Kevin Horton had to keep reminding you Ronnie was happily married? lol

[NarcissisticDeity]

Dorian schooling Ronnie on what conditioning is

[IceCold]

that clip of yates onstage at the 94 grand prix would beat any version of coleman.

after 03, coleman was bigger, but yates conditioning would embarass ronnie.

if ronnie came in for conditioning, which is under 250, yates would have the size advantage.

[NeoSeminole]

First, I didn't disagree with Peter McGough's claim that Ronnie was never harder or drier than Dorian.

again your quote

I'm sorry but Peter McGough is an idiot if he thinks 01 ASC Ronnie never surpassed Dorian's conditioning.

Boom

4. A lot of people say that you are the only pro bodybuilder that could go head to head with Ronnie Coleman.  Like him, you were the only other to be able to gain so much mass in one year. What are your thoughts on this?


Dorian Yates - A. I get asked that question all the time, and I can’t really give an answer.  I have actually beaten Ronnie, but then he wasn’t at the stage he is now.  He is probably carrying more muscle than I did, but I feel I had better conditioning than him

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While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.

On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.

Boom

and let me preempt you I did follow you into this thread only to highlight your hypocrisy and correct your claim

LMAO, my faithful puppy has returned to his master! Of course you would follow me into another thread.

[NeoSeminole]

here's a quote praising Ronnie's conditioning at the 01 ASC as the best ever:

Jim Stoppani - Flex, July 2005

"Has anyone ever displayed a more muscular, more shredded, higher-quality physique than a 247-pound Ronnie Coleman at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic?"

Boom! This cancels out all the quotes saying Dorian had better conditioning. This leaves us with visual evidence. Dorian never had separations or striations like this.

[Mr.1derful]

that clip of yates onstage at the 94 grand prix would beat any version of coleman.

after 03, coleman was bigger, but yates conditioning would embarass ronnie.

if ronnie came in for conditioning, which is under 250, yates would have the size advantage.

Spot on!

[Hulkster]

here's a quote praising Ronnie's conditioning at the 01 ASC as the best ever:

Jim Stoppani - Flex, July 2005

"Has anyone ever displayed a more muscular, more shredded, higher-quality physique than a 247-pound Ronnie Coleman at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic?"

Boom! This cancels out all the quotes saying Dorian had better conditioning. This leaves us with visual evidence. Dorian never had separations or striations like this.

exactly. Ronnie's 2001 AC conditioning surpassed Dorian's.

[Royal Lion]

here's a quote praising Ronnie's conditioning at the 01 ASC as the best ever:

Jim Stoppani - Flex, July 2005

"Has anyone ever displayed a more muscular, more shredded, higher-quality physique than a 247-pound Ronnie Coleman at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic?"

Boom! This cancels out all the quotes saying Dorian had better conditioning. This leaves us with visual evidence. Dorian never had separations or striations like this.

Yeah, if "Jim Stoppani" said it, it must be true.  You guys selectively make conclusions about Ronnie's superiority based on certain quotes and yet ignore the quotes giving Dorian any credit.  Opinions are like assholes...everyone has one.  In what I have seen, the BB "experts" seem split on Doz and Ronnie.  It's a toss up.

[NarcissisticDeity]

here's a quote praising Ronnie's conditioning at the 01 ASC as the best ever:

Jim Stoppani - Flex, July 2005

"Has anyone ever displayed a more muscular, more shredded, higher-quality physique than a 247-pound Ronnie Coleman at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic?"

Boom! This cancels out all the quotes saying Dorian had better conditioning. This leaves us with visual evidence. Dorian never had separations or striations like this.

Ha ha ha where does that say Ronnie Coleman was harder & drier than Dorian Yates? opppssss it doesn't , thanks for playing.

FYI Dorian Yates is an IFBB judge when he says he's better condition that ends all discussion  couple that will McGough's quote and boom Neo owned again 

[NarcissisticDeity]

LMAO, my faithful puppy has returned to his master! Of course you would follow me into another thread.

And what's funny is Neo the troll is found himself into yet another Dorian Yates thread ha ha ha ha ha ha troll on it's what you do best kid.

First, I didn't disagree with Peter McGough's claim that Ronnie was never harder or drier than Dorian.

again your quote

I'm sorry but Peter McGough is an idiot if he thinks 01 ASC Ronnie never surpassed Dorian's conditioning.


While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.

On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.


boom

Quote from Julian Schmidt, "FLEX" magazine, on the November issue, 1998:

  "Now that Dorian Yates, the thickest, densest and most annealed bodybuider in history has retired, Ronnie has taken the opportunity to become the new stndard-bearer. Something unlikely to have happened, if Dorian still competed."

you like polls kid? here's one for ya  http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=953337&page=2

Ronnie can't even beat Dexter lmao

you stand corrected little troll 

[NarcissisticDeity]

that clip of yates onstage at the 94 grand prix would beat any version of coleman.

after 03, coleman was bigger, but yates conditioning would embarass ronnie.

if ronnie came in for conditioning, which is under 250, yates would have the size advantage.

That's the trick , I've always maintained Ronnie perhaps came close to Dorian in terms of condition in 1998/2001 asc when he was at his lightest , Dorian could maintain that conditioning at much higher bodyweights which is extremely difficult

It's what these trolls do , they have to try and attack Yates on all levels now Ronnie suddenly is harder & drier than Dorian  Dorian was known for his insane conditioning Ronnie wasn't , Dorian's hallmarks was his density & dryness plus size

[NarcissisticDeity]

Yeah, if "Jim Stoppani" said it, it must be true.  You guys selectively make conclusions about Ronnie's superiority based on certain quotes and yet ignore the quotes giving Dorian any credit.  Opinions are like assholes...everyone has one.  In what I have seen, the BB "experts" seem split on Doz and Ronnie.  It's a toss up.

The thing is he doesn't say it , that's Neo's desperate attempt to try and counter Peter McGough and Dorian Yates

Ronnie can't even beat Dexter in this poll and quess who's the winner? 

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=953337&page=2

[johnny1]

He did improve here is another shot from one of the other Grand Prix's from 1994

Thats a rare picture ND, Dorian looked awesome that day, thanks for posting.