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BIOWEAPONS??? Mexican Swine Flu Tread
« on: April 25, 2009, 09:57:54 AM »
How convenient it seems that in the past two years there has been a virtual onslaught of "NEW" viruses that seem to come from literally no where. Chicken Flu, Turkey Flu, Avian Flu, Bird Flu, H1N5, H1N1, H11N77, H this and N that, Spanish Flu, Swine Flu, Hepatitis D, etc etc etc...and all of this happening at the same time biological labs, genetic sequencing, viral and bacterial manipulation is being advanced around the world.... in particular in america. The continued FEARMONGERING by america is being RAMPED TO LEVEL 99 when it comes to these 'strange new emergenses of 'diseases'. Eveyone needs to read Lenord horowitz's book EMERGING VIRUSES AIDS AND EBOLA, where he make it very clear that these new viruses are man made and the goal is to use them as BIOWEAPONS....Question is...On who and on what nation are these weapons being made for???

Mexican Swine Flu
An Advanced Biowar Event
That Will Be Bigger Than 9/11


By The Earl of Stirling
4-25-9
 
On 23 rd April 2009 the world began to become aware of a very strange new version of swine flu H1N1 in Mexico with limited cases in Texas and California. By the morning of the 24th of April, we began hear that there were hundreds of sick and 20 or so dead. By late in the day, we have learned that over 1,000 are now reported ill and over 60 are reported dead. There are solid reasons to suspect that this new Mexican Swine Flu is NOT a naturally occurring event but instead is an Advanced Biological Warfare recombination DNA genetically engineered virus.
 
Here is what we know of the virus so far. This virus has already gone international having crossed the border from Mexico to America. All schools in Mexico City have been canceled, millions of students told to stay home due to Mexican Swine Flu. Sick victims of this strange new virus are currently reported in California and Texas. Over 60 deaths reported in Mexico (could be substantially higher considering the state of Mexican health care and reporting).
 
Young healthy adults seem to be the most at risk. This is similar to the deadest killer flu in history, Spanish Flu in 1918. Most if not all nations with advanced biological warfare programs have been interested in recreating the Spanish Flu DNA sequence and several are reported to have done so.
 
The new Mexican Swine Flu has elements of DNA from the following: avian flu, human flu Type A, human flu Type B, Asian swine flu, and European swine flu. A strange combination never seen before and having less than 1/10% chance of being a natural event. Human and animal viruses from four or more continents suddenly recombine in a new flu during a non-flu season that spreads from human-to-human with a 10% fatality rating.
 
Over 1,000 reported infected in Mexico; true rate may be much higher. Mexico City seems to be the epicenter of the new virus. Mexico City has 20 million citizens, most terribly poor. Mexico City is notorious for its poor sanitation and public health. "Don't drink the water" has been the byword in Mexico City for decades. It is the perfect breading ground for an explosive growth of this new killer virus. Mexico City has closed all schools, public gatherings, public buildings. People are wearing medical masks on the streets. The government has announced a massive new emergency swine flu vaccination program that will be, at best, either totally non-effective or of very limited effect, and could be, at worst, a deadly option for patients. It is thought that the authorities are trying to contain public panic by announcing the vaccination program.
 
Both the World Health Organization and the US CDC (Center for Disease Control) have announced, today/24th April, that they are 'very concerned' about a global pandemic developing out of this new disease. Based on advanced biowargaming projections, it is already too late to stop the global spread of this new killer disease. Based on the three waves of Spanish Flu, the latter ones being more lethal, fatality rates may range from approximately 10% to 40% or so in later waves. More people could die in America, Mexico, Canada, Europe, and globally from Mexican Swine Flu than died in World War II.
 
This new flu is a lab created advanced biological warfare DNA genetically engineered virus that either: (1) Escaped accidentally from a lab; or (2) was deliberately released by a nation or non-state organization or a well-trained individual.
 
If there is a positive side to this coming global disaster, it may force governments to quickly come to grips with containing advanced biowar attacks. This is of considerable short term importance as Israel is apt to attack Iran by no later than mid-July 2009. The Iranians, having hired a large number of key ex-Soviet advanced biowar scientists 18 years ago and having spent billions on their asymmetrical MAD (mutually assured destruction) counter-force, are expected to respond to any significant attack on Iran with a biowar attack on Israel, North America, and Europe using in-place agents and dozens of genetically engineered viruses, many with very high projected kill rates.
 
This event is an advanced biological warfare event. It is far more important than 9/11 and, by itself, could bring deaths in such magnitudes as to exceed the number of deaths from all causes in the Second World War.
 
Stirling
 
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« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2009, 10:00:31 AM »
The amount of deaths because Americans are denied or that do not have healthcare are 3-4 times the size of 911 in America every year.  :-\

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« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2009, 10:36:55 AM »
Good post Samson. An associate of mine that I grew up with, who has high level govt. security clearence told me a while back about some of the biological agents that have been developed recently, and are being brokered in the Middle east. Scary stuff.

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« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2009, 10:41:29 AM »
Good post Samson. An associate of mine that I grew up with, who has high level govt. security clearence told me a while back about some of the biological agents that have been developed recently, and are being brokered in the Middle east. Scary stuff.
Let me ask a question.

If someone without health insurance were to contract such a malady, would you advocate that the infected individual die because, "it is not my problem" ?

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« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2009, 10:48:35 AM »
Let me ask a question.

If someone without health insurance were to contract such a malady, would you advocate that the infected individual die because, "it is not my problem" ?
I'm not sure too many hospitals would be able to help him either way..and he would probably be sent an emergency room where he probably wouldn't be denied treatment. I think Health Care coverage for all definitely has merit, but it also needs to be tempeerd with responsibility from the covered individual. For example, if a family chooses to feed their child nothing but grape soda, twinkies, fruit loops and other high sugary foods and the child develops diabetes as a result...and if these scenarios played out on a large scale, then I would resent my tax dollars funding such nutritional irresponsibility. In England for example, they're now considering imposing reqirements that could deny coverage to severely obese people.

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« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2009, 12:02:45 PM »
Let me ask a question.

If someone without health insurance were to contract such a malady, would you advocate that the infected individual die because, "it is not my problem" ?

Given the scenario of infectious agents being created with the goal of being used as BIOWEAPONS...no sane person would even give thought to the idea of "it's not my problem". Maybe today, maybe tomorrow it may not be your problem, but a virulent, air borned pathogen would be EVERYBODIES PROBLEM SOON and everyone would be looking for a medical specialist to find a cure. The pathogens that are being "summoned" (I used that word because it evokes the idea of something EVIL being brought into being as these hair brained scientist are doing with tese viruses) into existence at these labortories like Plum Island, USAMRID, and a few other places are without cure (or at least the cure will NOT be made available to the masses) for the sake of poulation control or as a Bioweapon. Should one of these agents truly be made into a successful PANDEMIC where millions would end up dying...I think there would be the erection of large concentration camp style facilities where people woulld be forced into and left to die...or worst they would be killed on the spot where ever they are if there is even an inkling that the person may be infected with whatever pathogen is... THE NEW PANDEMIC...
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« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2009, 12:11:43 PM »
I'll be covered...so I guess ur fucked huh...3rd worlders don't get enoculated. Is everything a conspiracy.
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« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2009, 12:20:46 PM »
I'm not sure too many hospitals would be able to help him either way..and he would probably be sent an emergency room where he probably wouldn't be denied treatment. I think Health Care coverage for all definitely has merit, but it also needs to be tempeerd with responsibility from the covered individual. For example, if a family chooses to feed their child nothing but grape soda, twinkies, fruit loops and other high sugary foods and the child develops diabetes as a result...and if these scenarios played out on a large scale, then I would resent my tax dollars funding such nutritional irresponsibility. In England for example, they're now considering imposing reqirements that could deny coverage to severely obese people.

If this were to become some kind of Hollywood "Outbreak" senario..anybody who contracted it would be treated and quarantined. Marshall law would be declared locally or nationally. But this "earlo of stirling"...this guy is ur source for how the virus was developed? Come on.... ::)
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« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2009, 12:30:04 PM »
I'll be covered...so I guess ur fucked huh...3rd worlders don't get enoculated. Is everything a conspiracy.

COVERED???? you think so??? In case you didn't read the article...the out breaks of these diseases are happening in america as well. There are no VACCINES, Elixirs or potions you can take for a pandemic. If you are a part of the military and you think you are COVERED??? you better take a look at the returning soldiers to america...does it look like the american government gives a DAMN about their crippled bodies, damaged brains or pathetic financial situation (much of which the american government casued)??? Better think again. So what makes you think they will be concerned about your diseased body?

So far as your comment on so called 3rd world nations....america IS THIRD WORLD...as a matter of fact it is FOURTH WORLD at this point. You're penniless, poor, without business or manufacturing, your food (70%) comes from other nations, your goods are made primarily in China, you beg for money from China who supports america like a WELFARE CHILD, American is bending and bowing to the EU, Middle Eastern countries, China and soon Russia as well...and you think you are NOT third world yourself!!! Right now your supermarkets have food on their shelves, you have TV to watch, you have cheap gas...just wait a few more months and these things suddenly disappear... watch how fast america sinks into absolute DEPRAVITY and SAVAGERY. america will truly be a UNCIVILIZED NATIONS

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« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2009, 03:32:07 PM »
 
The new Mexican Swine Flu has elements of DNA from the following: avian flu, human flu Type A, human flu Type B, Asian swine flu, and European swine flu.

Influenza, commonly known as the flu, is an infectious disease caused by RNA viruses
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza

"Classic" Recombination of this type is very rare in RNA viruses (there are probably no host enzymes for RNA recombination).
http://pathmicro.med.sc.edu/mhunt/genet.htm

I'm not an expert on this, just trying to understand WTF...  From what I see it's very rare for an RNA virus to hybrid with another and this one has up to 5 viruses combinations?  WTF?

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« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2009, 03:39:07 PM »
guys, don't derail this thread.  I'm interesting in understanding what's going on, how and why.  This is a terrible thread for a pointless pissing match.  If you don't have anything to bring that we can all benefit/learn from please save it.

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« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2009, 03:46:18 PM »
Influenza, commonly known as the flu, is an infectious disease caused by RNA viruses
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza

"Classic" Recombination of this type is very rare in RNA viruses (there are probably no host enzymes for RNA recombination).
http://pathmicro.med.sc.edu/mhunt/genet.htm

I'm not an expert on this, just trying to understand WTF...  From what I see it's very rare for an RNA virus to hybrid with another and this one has up to 5 viruses combinations?  WTF?

I am glad you said this, becasue it shows you are a person who is thinking....Most people don't think about the fact that viruses do NOT join together, do NOT suddenly mutate, do NOT jump from animal to humans (or vice versa)...UNLESS they are coaxed into such and that requires a lot of laboratory manipulation. These new diseases are being CREATED they are NOT evolving...so some entity be it government, military, mad ecientist etc etc is on the warpath against people, populations and countries. I feel it is just a matter of time before they hit the BULLSEYE with a viral combination that will be A PANDEMIC...
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Re: BIOWEAPONS??? Mexican Swine Flu Tread
« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2009, 03:48:10 PM »
jeez..never thought I'd be agreeing with Samson...but he might be right here.

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« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2009, 03:53:53 PM »
"it's too late to try to contain spread of the virus."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090425/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/med_swine_flu_54

This is going to be a big killer and with experts saying this, I should think we would all want to talk about this.

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« Reply #14 on: April 25, 2009, 03:59:35 PM »
I am glad you said this, becasue it shows you are a person who is thinking....Most people don't think about the fact that viruses do NOT join together, do NOT suddenly mutate, do NOT jump from animal to humans (or vice versa)...UNLESS they are coaxed into such and that requires a lot of laboratory manipulation. These new diseases are being CREATED they are NOT evolving...so some entity be it government, military, mad ecientist etc etc is on the warpath against people, populations and countries. I feel it is just a matter of time before they hit the BULLSEYE with a viral combination that will be A PANDEMIC...
I've read that it is actually common for viruses to mutate suddenly and hybrid but from what I've read so far, it depends a lot on the type of virus and RNA (flu) viruses do not easily combine and combinations are very rare.  Hopefully we can all combine some research and maybe get a better understanding of this.

Anybody know if there are any microbiology majors on getbig or in the field or related field?  Would be great to get an expert or someone with a good understanding in here.

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« Reply #15 on: April 25, 2009, 04:01:43 PM »
"it's too late to try to contain spread of the virus."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090425/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/med_swine_flu_54

This is going to be a big killer and with experts saying this, I should think we would all want to talk about this.

Let us just pray that it ends up fizzling out before it really gets a chance to become a pandemic.....
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« Reply #16 on: April 25, 2009, 04:06:02 PM »
Let us just pray that it ends up fizzling out before it really gets a chance to become a pandemic.....
It's popping up in several areas across the country, they've been interupting tv with updates.  I doubt it will fizzle at this point.  The flu is highly infectous.


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« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2009, 04:08:02 PM »
I've read that it is actually common for viruses to mutate suddenly and hybrid but from what I've read so far, it depends a lot on the type of virus and RNA (flu) viruses do not easily combine and combinations are very rare.  Hopefully we can all combine some research and maybe get a better understanding of this.

Anybody know if there are any microbiology majors on getbig or in the field or related field?  Would be great to get an expert or someone with a good understanding in here.

YES Hugo viruses can mutate, but that mutation only occurs once it has infected a host (be it animal or human). The mutating is a defence the virus attempts at keeping itself safe from ones immune system, but a virus has properties and/or genetic material which it can NOT change and that is what ones immune system goes after in order to destroy the virus completely.A virus however will NOT and can NOT mutate to the degree that we see viruses mutating today. These mutations are COAXED in labratories in hopes of manufacturing a KILLER. AIDS is one of the main MANUFACTURED VIRUSES that was designed to go after the very immune system that protects everyone...It took a lot of experimenting and trials to get it to work, but the scientist managed to do it. So now they seem to want to make something that is just as deadly, BUT WORKS A LOT FASTER.....
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« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2009, 04:28:11 PM »
It's popping up in several areas across the country, they've been interupting tv with updates.  I doubt it will fizzle at this point.  The flu is highly infectous.



I think what is being done with this multiple place outbreak is an attempt to get many people infected with this virus so that it has a chance to adapt. If someone: person with a weak immune system, becomes the host of this virus, not only will that person die form the virus, they will also be the incubator that will allow the virus to favor infecting humans. Once that aspect of the disease is accomplished, then the possiblity of pandemic comes all the more close. Now while a disease may appear in many states or countries at once...that does not mean that the immune system has failed adn it will become pandemic...what alawys needs to happen is the immune system either is made to FAIL, or somehow the virus is foreign to teh immune system giving it the ability to kill its host before immunity can be developed. So we will have to see how immunity develops with this SWINE FLU. If it begins spreading massively adn NO ONE develops immunity...then there is a BIG PROBLEM, but if it begins fizzling after infecting people...that means immunity is developing and soon the virus will be just a memory...
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« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2009, 04:58:36 PM »
YES Hugo viruses can mutate, but that mutation only occurs once it has infected a host (be it animal or human). The mutating is a defence the virus attempts at keeping itself safe from ones immune system, but a virus has properties and/or genetic material which it can NOT change and that is what ones immune system goes after in order to destroy the virus completely.A virus however will NOT and can NOT mutate to the degree that we see viruses mutating today. These mutations are COAXED in labratories in hopes of manufacturing a KILLER. AIDS is one of the main MANUFACTURED VIRUSES that was designed to go after the very immune system that protects everyone...It took a lot of experimenting and trials to get it to work, but the scientist managed to do it. So now they seem to want to make something that is just as deadly, BUT WORKS A LOT FASTER.....
mutation isn't even the issue here.  This is the hybridization of multiple viruses in a virus type that is stated to be rare between two.  I only mentioned mutation because you did.

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« Reply #20 on: April 25, 2009, 04:59:13 PM »
I think what is being done with this multiple place outbreak is an attempt to get many people infected with this virus so that it has a chance to adapt. If someone: person with a weak immune system, becomes the host of this virus, not only will that person die form the virus, they will also be the incubator that will allow the virus to favor infecting humans. Once that aspect of the disease is accomplished, then the possiblity of pandemic comes all the more close. Now while a disease may appear in many states or countries at once...that does not mean that the immune system has failed adn it will become pandemic...what alawys needs to happen is the immune system either is made to FAIL, or somehow the virus is foreign to teh immune system giving it the ability to kill its host before immunity can be developed. So we will have to see how immunity develops with this SWINE FLU. If it begins spreading massively adn NO ONE develops immunity...then there is a BIG PROBLEM, but if it begins fizzling after infecting people...that means immunity is developing and soon the virus will be just a memory...
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« Reply #21 on: April 25, 2009, 05:04:21 PM »
Could someone tell me what in the hell is going on here?  Could this be one of the ways in which these viruses end up being in a complex hybrid state?

This is from 2002:

Abstract.
Swine influenza virus (SIV) RNA and antigen were detected in 15 naturally infected pigs by in
situ hybridization using a nonradioactive digoxigenin-labeled cDNA probe and by immunohistochemistry using
an influenza virus H1N1–specific monoclonal antibody. A 582–base pair cDNA probe for viral RNA encoding
the nucleocapsid protein of SIV type A H1N1 strain was generated by the reverse transcription polymerase
chain reaction. In situ hybridization and immunohistochemistry gave similar results for serial sections from
each of 15 lung samples. Positive cells typically exhibited a dark brown (in situ hybridization) or red (immunohistochemistry)
reaction product in the nucleus and cytoplasm without background staining. A strong positive
signal for both in situ hybridization and immunohistochemistry was detected mainly in the bronchial and
bronchiolar epithelial cells. A less intense signal was detected in the interstitial and alveolar macrophages.
Simultaneous detection of hybridization and immunohistochemical signals on serial sections provided evidence
that SIV had replicated in positive cells. The in situ hybridization technique developed in this study was useful
for the detection of SIV RNA in tissues taken from naturally infected pigs and may be a valuable technique
for studying the pathogenesis of SIV infection.

"Hybridization was done overnight at 45 C. The digoxigenin-
labeled probe (0.1 ng/ml) was diluted in 300 ml of the
standard hybridization buffer, heated for 10 minutes at 95 C
on a heating block, and quenched on ice before being applied
to the tissue sections."

Results
The SIV H1N1 (A/Seoul/20/91) and human influenza
virus H3N2 (A/Johannesberg/33/95) reacted with
the primers of SIV. The primers did not react with
human influenza B (B/Beijing/184/93), PRRSV,
PRCV, TGEV, PEDV, and PCV types 1 and 2. SIV
was isolated from the lung in five pigs (Nos. 2, 5, 6,
11, 14). All five influenza viruses isolated from pigs
were amplified in MDCK cells, and the resulting virus
RNA was reacted with primers specific for SIV by
PCR (Fig. 1). PCR products from each isolate were
sequenced, and their identity was confirmed as influenza
virus (data not shown).
The results of virus isolation, in situ hybridization,
and immunohistochemistry are summarized in Table
1. The morphology of host cells was preserved despite
the relatively high temperature required in parts of the
incubation procedure. In situ hybridization and immunohistochemistry
gave similar results for serial sections
from each of 15 lung samples (Figs. 2, 3). Positive
cells typically exhibited a dark brown (in situ
hybridization) or red (immunohistochemistry) reaction

http://www.vetpathology.org/cgi/reprint/39/1/10.pdf

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« Reply #22 on: April 25, 2009, 05:19:23 PM »
Here's something that makes it sound like the flu viruses easily hybrid in a host so now I'm confused.  I'm either misunderstanding one of the links I've posted or... :-\ what?
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/teachers/activities/pdf/3302_04_nsn.pdf

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« Reply #23 on: April 25, 2009, 05:24:56 PM »
mutation isn't even the issue here.  This is the hybridization of multiple viruses in a virus type that is stated to be rare between two.  I only mentioned mutation because you did.

I used mutation in describing the AIDS virus when I should have said HYBRIDIZATION (I stand corrected)...As the HIV virus is a combination of a bovine virus and a sheep virus (something that will NEVER happen naturally)..this too had to  be COAXED into adapting to human cells by growing it in mice, then, rats, then cats, then monkeys then human tissue. It is/was a difficult process, but you see the end result. If you want to get deep into this, the book I mentioned earlier by Dr. Lenoard Horowitz: EMERGING VIRUSES explains how government scientist create these viuses and bacteria and how they are cultured in animal andthen human tissue inorder to get them to the infectious state for humans.
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« Reply #24 on: April 25, 2009, 05:25:43 PM »
"If a host like a pig or a person is infected by both a bird virus and a human or pig virus the segments are in a common pool within the host cell and can become mixed, with some segments coming from one virus and some from another. This can produce another kind of hybrid between a bird and a human influenza virus. The difference between this mechanism and recombination is that the segments move en bloc as a single piece while in recombination bits and pieces of segments might be spliced together as in the human-pig HA example above rather than an HA from a pig or an HA from a human as in reassortment. "

http://www.fluwikie.com/index.php?n=Science.InfluenzaPrimerII