Author Topic: would you support a petition to limit viewpoints from prominent neocons?  (Read 2958 times)

Hugo Chavez

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To petition the media to check those with obviously lost credibility, those that were hardcore neocons like David Frum who now push their values as true conservatives and still receive their daily voice like nothing ever happened?  I know everyone deserves to have their voice in America and this is not to take that away, I'm just questioning at what point does a group of individuals lose their cred entirely to be heard on the national level and be admonished down a notch.  This guy Frum was Neocon vocal number 1 and now in the matter of a few months he's right there at his same old game with the new banner of "true conservative"  Is there no payback?  Is there no price to pay for being so wrong?  This has nothing to do with Obama so don't take it there.  I expect the dems and their supporters including me to pay a price for support we made if it turns out bad, we already do to a point.  Why are people like Frum paying no price for neoconservatism?  They're just going on to create their new persona with no blowback?  Really?

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No petition to limit anyone's viewpoint. Eventually everyone will be limited.

Hugo Chavez

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No petition to limit anyone's viewpoint. Eventually everyone will be limited.

what do you mean?  In this case we're not talking about a legal or representitive thing, just letting the media know we don't like something.  Really, the neocons are the first people I've seen come along and totally cause a shit storm and not have any personal fallout for it?  WTF?

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what do you mean?  In this case we're not talking about a legal or representitive thing, just letting the media know we don't like something.  Really, the neocons are the first people I've seen come along and totally cause a shit storm and not have any personal fallout for it?  WTF?


If we don't like something. Turn it off.

The Media will get the message.

Hugo Chavez

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If we don't like something. Turn it off.

The Media will get the message.
I agree, but why did it fail this time?  I can't fathom that people like David Frum and Bill Kristol go on with no backlash?  All I'm asking for is some backlash which has amazingly been lacking.  Even righties here have expressed distaste for what these guys have pushed yet here they are today talking like nothing ever happened.  I expected some natural public backlash that would naturally lead toward these guys being forced to take a step back an rethink, but all they did was pretend to be true conservatives the day after the election and everyone seems to have fallen for it.  What I would like is for the people to say, wait, I call BS on these fuckers.  After the election I was pretty excited that we might see these phonies revealed and get back to a more natural argument between conservatives and liberals.  But that didn't happen, these guys just scurried and relabeled themselves.  I wanted to see some true conservative voices rise up and get back to a balance.  What we had over the Bush years was a Conservative party that had been hijacked by the neoconservative movement.  I am totally in awe that there has been relatively zero backlash over those who held conservatism hostage for 8 years?  WTF?

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Are there any true conservatives left?

Hugo Chavez

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Are there any true conservatives left?
That's what I'm wondering.  Yes there are some but I think these neocons had influence for so long that most people don't seem to have an understanding.  It's really sad that guys like Frum and Kristol walk without any significant backlash.  If any Conservative or republican were looking for a true scapegoat for the recent success of the dems, it would surely land on the doorstep of the neoconservatives.  Yet I listen to these guys each week give their opinions in the media like they don't have a single speck of backlash for their deeds.  I'm truly baffled.

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That's what I'm wondering.  Yes there are some but I think these neocons had influence for so long that most people don't seem to have an understanding.  It's really sad that guys like Frum and Kristol walk without any significant backlash.  If any Conservative or republican were looking for a true scapegoat for the recent success of the dems, it would surely land on the doorstep of the neoconservatives.  Yet I listen to these guys each week give their opinions in the media like they don't have a single speck of backlash for their deeds.  I'm truly baffled.

I blame the OJ trial coverage for starting all this bullshit. The very second news became entertainment with a 24 hour cycle things got messed up.

If you do ever get a petition going... do two. Someone needs to remind Sharpton, Jackson, Farrakan (sp?), etc... that they don't speak for all black people. :)

Hugo Chavez

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I blame the OJ trial coverage for starting all this bullshit. The very second news became entertainment with a 24 hour cycle things got messed up.

If you do ever get a petition going... do two. Someone needs to remind Sharpton, Jackson, Farrakan (sp?), etc... that they don't speak for all black people. :)
holy shit, I never thought of it but it did seem to go downhill fast after that didn't it...

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To petition the media to check those with obviously lost credibility, those that were hardcore neocons like David Frum who now push their values as true conservatives and still receive their daily voice like nothing ever happened?  I know everyone deserves to have their voice in America and this is not to take that away, I'm just questioning at what point does a group of individuals lose their cred entirely to be heard on the national level and be admonished down a notch.  This guy Frum was Neocon vocal number 1 and now in the matter of a few months he's right there at his same old game with the new banner of "true conservative"  Is there no payback?  Is there no price to pay for being so wrong?  This has nothing to do with Obama so don't take it there.  I expect the dems and their supporters including me to pay a price for support we made if it turns out bad, we already do to a point.  Why are people like Frum paying no price for neoconservatism?  They're just going on to create their new persona with no blowback?  Really?

We should not need a petition for these fools not to appear on TV. 

The MSM loves these phonies because they are not real conservatives.  I want to see Ron Paul, Schiff, DeMint, etc on the TV, not these half-a-fag DC hacks.

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I honestly have no idea who thoes ppl are but ill sign it if you add ppl like olberman to it, that ass clown is horrible.

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holy shit, I never thought of it but it did seem to go downhill fast after that didn't it...

I am sick of the DC hacks on both sides always appearing on these shows.

I dont know anyone who even closely resembles these Finocchios.   

Hugo Chavez

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We should not need a petition for these fools not to appear on TV. 

The MSM loves these phonies because they are not real conservatives.  I want to see Ron Paul, Schiff, DeMint, etc on the TV, not these half-a-fag DC hacks.
Do you mean MSNBC?  They don't have neocons on, Fox News does.  Other than that I agree and I think a few more names could be brought up.

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I honestly have no idea who thoes ppl are but ill sign it if you add ppl like olberman to it, that ass clown is horrible.
you really are a clueless texan aren't you :D  You just kinda bull horned your way through the last 8 years oblivious... lol...

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you really are a clueless texan aren't you :D  You just kinda bull horned your way through the last 8 years oblivious... lol...
LOL arent you from wyoming? yea you should make fun of where ppl live...I honestly wasnt really interested in politics up until maybe a year or so ago I paid attention a little bit but i just wasnt very interested.

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Do you mean MSNBC?  They don't have neocons on, Fox News does.  Other than that I agree and I think a few more names could be brought up.

All of the channels.  They all suck and that why I dont watch cable news that much anymore. 

I prefer youtube videos, podcasts, talk radio, etc.   

Hugo Chavez

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All of the channels.  They all suck and that why I dont watch cable news that much anymore. 

I prefer youtube videos, podcasts, talk radio, etc.   
I think you're missing the point, along with Tony... completely... 100%... zip, right over your heads...

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wasnt really interested in politics up until maybe a year or so ago I paid attention a little bit but i just wasnt very interested.
obviously...

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you really are a clueless texan aren't you :D  You just kinda bull horned your way through the last 8 years oblivious... lol...

Not really, there were many of us who were completely critical of Bush about illegals, harriet meyers, dubai ports, spending, CFR, NCLB, Drug Bill, etc etc etc.

Like almost every election, its a choice between who you want to kill you. 

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Not really, there were many of us who were completely critical of Bush about illegals, harriet meyers, dubai ports, spending, CFR, NCLB, Drug Bill, etc etc etc.

Like almost every election, its a choice between who you want to kill you. 
We're so not even on the same page here, do you get this thread?  Also the post you quoted was for Tony.

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I think you're missing the point, along with Tony... completely... 100%... zip, right over your heads...
I got your point which is why i pointed out olberman that guy along with many on msnbc are ultra neoliberals and push that agenda, I dont know those guys so i cant really comment on them but if your going to advocate backlash on one side of the extreme you need to advocate it on the other side of the extreme is all im saying.

Not really, there were many of us who were completely critical of Bush about illegals, harriet meyers, dubai ports, spending, CFR, NCLB, Drug Bill, etc etc etc.

Like almost every election, its a choice between who you want to kill you. 
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We're so not even on the same page here, do you get this thread?  Also the post you quoted was for Tony.

The liberal media loves Frum because he loves Obama.  The other fool crystal is another "man" who is not taken to seriously.  

They will NEVER have a guy like Schiff on because he will expose them for the frauds they are.

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only if this "petition" includes an unbiased summary for the public about the movement. From the bad all the way down to rummy. Even then its a fantasy imo

Hugo Chavez

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I got your point which is why i pointed out olberman that guy along with many on msnbc are ultra neoliberals and push that agenda, I dont know those guys so i cant really comment on them but if your going to advocate backlash on one side of the extreme you need to advocate it on the other side of the extreme is all im saying.
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::) no, you obviously are oblivious, you don't get it...  wow...

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::) no, you obviously are oblivious, you don't get it...  wow...

Whats your point since no one gets it. 

I am not for petitions like you said if that is what you are asking.