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Athletes Rep - How it works
« on: April 30, 2009, 07:01:04 PM »
I have been bodybuilding for over 50 years now. That is a long time to be around the Iron Game. Few of us who start out imagine we will ever be like the huge guys we see in the magazines. If we persist for years we might achieve some reasonable size and even enter contests. Ah, those contests. You have to have nerve to enter because there you are up on stage, shaved, oiled and in a posing costume. Spare some consideration for the preparation required for todays shows. It isn't easy.

Well, having associated with muscleheads for decades I can say that we represent the full gamet of personalities and intelligences. You have to do a lot of things right to be able to keep growing all those years. Diet, training, recuperation, and lifestyle impact on any results you might achieve. When you see someone really big and cut you know they have paid their dues and trained long and hard. It takes a good brain to achieve huge size. If the person isn't that smart he probably has someone who is smart that is helping him.

For those who do enter contests what do we find? Most bodybuilders aspire to be whatever the top title of the day is. In the old days that was Mr America or Mr Universe. Lots of champions earned those titles and were proud of it. Today the top title is the Mr Olympia. Thus, the majority of bodybuilders think about enterring IFBB contests as a gateway to the professional contests. Very early in aspiring bodybuilders it becomes obvious that judging is a subjective process. We witness bodybuilders asking judges how they went and what should be improved. That is natural in a sport where subjectivity and opinion play such an important part. Even the thickest bloke realizes that it isn't always the best man who wins shows. How can that be? Well, it happens. Thus, from almost the first contest bodybuilders become politically aware and have to not upset judges or officials who run shows. If you get a reputation for being difficult or speaking out you will find it hard to win or place in contests.

Now, let us leap forward to the professional stage today. Because of magazines and the internet the competitors all know each other and can see what everyone else looks like. The judges and officials have access to the same information and images. This web of musclemen becomes a small community and the insiders pretty well know what is going on with other people. The Mr Olympia and Arnold Classic are the two biggest shows and winners earn a lot of money. However, only the Olympia earns legend status. That is THE contest to win. Today the prize money makes this a very important enterprise for all concerned. It isn't fooling around any more.

What do we find happening in the pro ranks of the IFBB? Well, contracts are signed and bodybuilders are limited about what they can do and say. Fair enough to a point because sponsoring athletes is big money and sponsors want to get value for their investment. The IFBB selects judges and lets someone else promote the contests. This is hardly a cheap enterprise. It costs a fortune to stage the Olympia event. You would think that the professional organization would be a smooth operation and hardly any problems at all. Well, to assist the musclemen the pro league has decided to appoint a professional athletes rep. This professional position is not a paid one. Judges get paid to judge but the pro rep doesn't earn a cent from all the work done. So, on paper it looks like the IFBB is looking after the athletes who have a person to represent them for any issues they might have. The reality is quite something else.

The one thing musclemen learn over the years in this subjective sport is not to make any waves. Keep a low profile and be pleasant to everyone. Now, I ask you, would any of these professional athletes go to Bob Chick to voice their complaints, etc.? That is the last thing most would do. Why? Well, they instinctively know that complaining to someone like Bob is like complaining to the boss himself. It doesn't pay to do that. Thus, Bob Chick actually represents the IFBB and informs muscleheads how to cooperate with the organization. He points out penalties to those who don't think straight.

The Pro League appointed athletes rep is a sham. Unless and until that is an elected position there can be no transparancy and validity. The appointment is an insult to all bodybuilders everywhere. It is just another way the dictatorial organization asserts itself. The bodybuilders were forgotten long ago and are still treated like second class citizens today.

To sum up what I feel, Bob Chick is the very last person most professionals would approach with complaints against the IFBB and Pro League. Look at how he is totally unprofessional to critics like myself who voice my opinion about the IFBB. He uses insults and namecalling to try to silence anyone who speaks out. That is really the opposite of what a fair dinkum athletes rep should be like. His job is to represent the IFBB and Pro League on Getbig and silence all opposition.

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Re: The raw truth about the athletes rep and how the IFBB works.
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2009, 07:16:24 PM »
Got the cliff notes version to that novel?  ::)

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« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2009, 07:18:25 PM »
Is the blue font how Vince Basile blinds little kids on aim?

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« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2009, 07:19:51 PM »
I don't see how someone can be fair and unbiased while representing the Athletes and getting paid by the IFBB (Weider... AMI...). The athletes need to be represented by a LAWYER, not a current or former athlete.
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« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2009, 07:21:49 PM »
I don't see how someone can be fair and unbiased while representing the Athletes and getting paid by the IFBB (Weider... AMI...). The athletes need to be represented by a LAWYER, not a current or former athlete.


Bob was a part-time fill-in Deputy Sheriff's assistant for a few months back in Rochester...  that's as good as any "law degree".   ::)   Who needs a JD these days anyway?
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« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2009, 07:22:46 PM »
I don't see how someone can be fair and unbiased while representing the Athletes and getting paid by the IFBB (Weider... AMI...). The athletes need to be represented by a LAWYER, not a current or former athlete.

Of course you don't see how... Fact is,I dont get paid by the IFBB

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« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2009, 07:23:39 PM »
Is the blue font how Vince Basile blinds little kids on aim?
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« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2009, 07:24:11 PM »
Of course you don't see how... Fact is,I dont get paid by the IFBB

I love how you answered the first part of his statement with TOTAL disregard to the second, and most important, part.

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« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2009, 07:24:22 PM »

Bob was a part-time fill-in Deputy Sheriff's assistant for a few months back in Rochester...  that's as good as any "law degree".   ::)   Who needs a JD these days anyway?

3 years as a full time Deputy Sheriff....nice hoework, "Basile"....sure you guys aren't related?

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« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2009, 07:25:00 PM »
3 years as a full time Deputy Sheriff....


Wow, you're almost as qualified as "Paul Hupp, LLB".  ::)
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« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2009, 07:25:35 PM »
I love how you answered the first part of his statement with TOTAL disregard to the second, and most important, part.

Why would I have any regard for his opinion?

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« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2009, 07:26:50 PM »
I don't see how someone can be fair and unbiased while representing the Athletes and getting paid by the IFBB (Weider... AMI...). The athletes need to be represented by a LAWYER, not a current or former athlete.

Aaron Singerman, I know we have butted heads many times in the past and I don't agree with alot of what you say, but you are totally spot on with this statement.

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« Reply #12 on: April 30, 2009, 07:27:28 PM »
people, stop writing huge fucking novel posts. even scrolling down the page whilst ignoring it is annoying 

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« Reply #13 on: April 30, 2009, 07:28:10 PM »
all I see is purple now

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« Reply #14 on: April 30, 2009, 07:30:17 PM »
Chick gets bad wrap, its an unpaid position in a sport no one notices. No point debating it any further unless your time is even more meaningless.

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« Reply #15 on: April 30, 2009, 07:38:10 PM »
I have been bodybuilding for over 50 years now. That is a long time to be around the Iron Game. Few of us who start out imagine we will ever be like the huge guys we see in the magazines. If we persist for years we might achieve some reasonable size and even enter contests. Ah, those contests. You have to have nerve to enter because there you are up on stage, shaved, oiled and in a posing costume. Spare some consideration for the preparation required for todays shows. It isn't easy.

Well, having associated with muscleheads for decades I can say that we represent the full gamet of personalities and intelligences. You have to do a lot of things right to be able to keep growing all those years. Diet, training, recuperation, and lifestyle impact on any results you might achieve. When you see someone really big and cut you know they have paid their dues and trained long and hard. It takes a good brain to achieve huge size. If the person isn't that smart he probably has someone who is smart that is helping him.

For those who do enter contests what do we find? Most bodybuilders aspire to be whatever the top title of the day is. In the old days that was Mr America or Mr Universe. Lots of champions earned those titles and were proud of it. Today the top title is the Mr Olympia. Thus, the majority of bodybuilders think about enterring IFBB contests as a gateway to the professional contests. Very early in aspiring bodybuilders it becomes obvious that judging is a subjective process. We witness bodybuilders asking judges how they went and what should be improved. That is natural in a sport where subjectivity and opinion play such an important part. Even the thickest bloke realizes that it isn't always the best man who wins shows. How can that be? Well, it happens. Thus, from almost the first contest bodybuilders become politically aware and have to not upset judges or officials who run shows. If you get a reputation for being difficult or speaking out you will find it hard to win or place in contests.

Now, let us leap forward to the professional stage today. Because of magazines and the internet the competitors all know each other and can see what everyone else looks like. The judges and officials have access to the same information and images. This web of musclemen becomes a small community and the insiders pretty well know what is going on with other people. The Mr Olympia and Arnold Classic are the two biggest shows and winners earn a lot of money. However, only the Olympia earns legend status. That is THE contest to win. Today the prize money makes this a very important enterprise for all concerned. It isn't fooling around any more.

What do we find happening in the pro ranks of the IFBB? Well, contracts are signed and bodybuilders are limited about what they can do and say. Fair enough to a point because sponsoring athletes is big money and sponsors want to get value for their investment. The IFBB selects judges and lets someone else promote the contests. This is hardly a cheap enterprise. It costs a fortune to stage the Olympia event. You would think that the professional organization would be a smooth operation and hardly any problems at all. Well, to assist the musclemen the pro league has decided to appoint a professional athletes rep. This professional position is not a paid one. Judges get paid to judge but the pro rep doesn't earn a cent from all the work done. So, on paper it looks like the IFBB is looking after the athletes who have a person to represent them for any issues they might have. The reality is quite something else.


The reality IS quite something else....the IFBB didn't appoint anything (or anyone)...WE did. Shawn and I were the ones who led the way to have a voice within the pro league...this was a direct result of MY attempt to start a union for the BBers as I felt they weren't standing up for themselves or their sport.  After Shawn stepped down, I was put in his place as the rep. The "job" was posted, there were no other candidates for the job....here I am 3 years later


The one thing musclemen learn over the years in this subjective sport is not to make any waves. Keep a low profile and be pleasant to everyone. Now, I ask you, would any of these professional athletes go to Bob Chick to voice their complaints, etc.? That is the last thing most would do. Why? Well, they instinctively know that complaining to someone like Bob is like complaining to the boss himself. It doesn't pay to do that. Thus, Bob Chick actually represents the IFBB and informs muscleheads how to cooperate with the organization. He points out penalties to those who don't think straight.


Couldn't be more wrong...but then again...it's you being you.  For those who might believe you...there couldn't be any worse way to make change than NOT bringing it to my attention...as they did in the past with no representation....I field calls, complaints, suggestions, etc on a weekly basis from pretty much everybody


The Pro League appointed athletes rep is a sham. Unless and until that is an elected position there can be no transparancy and validity. The appointment is an insult to all bodybuilders everywhere. It is just another way the dictatorial organization asserts itself. The bodybuilders were forgotten long ago and are still treated like second class citizens today.


The position is up for grabs every 2 years....come one come all if anyone else thinks they can do better

To sum up what I feel, Bob Chick is the very last person most professionals would approach with complaints against the IFBB and Pro League. Look at how he is totally unprofessional to critics like myself who voice my opinion about the IFBB. He uses insults and namecalling to try to silence anyone who speaks out. That is really the opposite of what a fair dinkum athletes rep should be like. His job is to represent the IFBB and Pro League on Getbig and silence all opposition.



You're no critic Basile...you're a creepy old windbag.  You have no insight here, no idea what goes on in this sport since we left the 70's behind...

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« Reply #16 on: April 30, 2009, 07:39:59 PM »



I don't know who's dumber....  Vince for writing that monologue, or you for responding to it point-by-point.  :-\
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« Reply #17 on: April 30, 2009, 07:41:05 PM »
Aaron Singerman, I know we have butted heads many times in the past and I don't agree with alot of what you say, but you are totally spot on with this statement.

Yeah?  and just what do you believe a lawyer would be able to get accomplished in a private club?

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« Reply #18 on: April 30, 2009, 07:41:45 PM »
I have been bodybuilding for over 50 years now. 

I stopped reading after the first sentence, you fat bullshitting liar. 
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« Reply #19 on: April 30, 2009, 07:42:10 PM »

I don't know who's dumber....  Vince for writing that monologue, or you for responding to it point-by-point.  :-\

Probably you, for responding to it at all

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« Reply #20 on: April 30, 2009, 07:47:51 PM »
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The appointment is an insult to all bodybuilders everywhere.
the appointment is an insult to drug using bodybuilders everywhere
us natural bodybuilders and competitors don't give a shit
good for a laugh though
as sad as the whole scam is
then the natural scene is bout as filthy but I can proudly say
I'm not a felon

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You're no critic Basile...you're a creepy old windbag.  You have no insight here, no idea what goes on in this sport since we left the 70's behind.
your all class. and most likely a drug abusing felon

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« Reply #21 on: April 30, 2009, 08:02:18 PM »
I am aware it's a thankless Job, Chick... and I'm sure your heart is in the right place, but you have to admit you are wearing too many hats... and from here, they look very similar!

You write for Flex who was owned by Weider. Now owned by AMI. AMI puts on the IFBB's biggest contest, Mr. Olympia. Robin Chang is in charge of this contest which you are paid MC and cover. You also are a host of PBW sponsored by FLEX, bodybuilding.com, and muscletech, along with other big movers within the Weider built industry. Finally you represent the athletes against or instead of the IFBB... Maybe you should be the athletes' liaison to the IFBB (Rep implies impartiality)... I think that would be a more appropriate job.


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« Reply #22 on: April 30, 2009, 08:11:20 PM »
Well said, Aaron. That pretty well sums up Bob's dilemma.

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« Reply #23 on: April 30, 2009, 08:34:12 PM »
I am aware it's a thankless Job, Chick... and I'm sure your heart is in the right place, but you have to admit you are wearing too many hats... and from here, they look very similar!

You write for Flex who was owned by Weider. Now owned by AMI. AMI puts on the IFBB's biggest contest, Mr. Olympia. Robin Chang is in charge of this contest which you are paid MC and cover. You also are a host of PBW sponsored by FLEX, bodybuilding.com, and muscletech, along with other big movers within the Weider built industry. Finally you represent the athletes against or instead of the IFBB... Maybe you should be the athletes' liaison to the IFBB (Rep implies impartiality)... I think that would be a more appropriate job.




Now lets all sit back and watch as Chick totally ignores this statement and instead goes back and forth trading insults with some dumbass named "Goatboy".....

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« Reply #24 on: April 30, 2009, 08:38:33 PM »
I have been bodybuilding for over 50 years now. That is a long time to be around the Iron Game. Few of us who start out imagine we will ever be like the huge guys we see in the magazines. If we persist for years we might achieve some reasonable size and even enter contests. Ah, those contests. You have to have nerve to enter because there you are up on stage, shaved, oiled and in a posing costume. Spare some consideration for the preparation required for todays shows. It isn't easy.

Well, having associated with muscleheads for decades I can say that we represent the full gamet of personalities and intelligences. You have to do a lot of things right to be able to keep growing all those years. Diet, training, recuperation, and lifestyle impact on any results you might achieve. When you see someone really big and cut you know they have paid their dues and trained long and hard. It takes a good brain to achieve huge size. If the person isn't that smart he probably has someone who is smart that is helping him.

For those who do enter contests what do we find? Most bodybuilders aspire to be whatever the top title of the day is. In the old days that was Mr America or Mr Universe. Lots of champions earned those titles and were proud of it. Today the top title is the Mr Olympia. Thus, the majority of bodybuilders think about enterring IFBB contests as a gateway to the professional contests. Very early in aspiring bodybuilders it becomes obvious that judging is a subjective process. We witness bodybuilders asking judges how they went and what should be improved. That is natural in a sport where subjectivity and opinion play such an important part. Even the thickest bloke realizes that it isn't always the best man who wins shows. How can that be? Well, it happens. Thus, from almost the first contest bodybuilders become politically aware and have to not upset judges or officials who run shows. If you get a reputation for being difficult or speaking out you will find it hard to win or place in contests.

Now, let us leap forward to the professional stage today. Because of magazines and the internet the competitors all know each other and can see what everyone else looks like. The judges and officials have access to the same information and images. This web of musclemen becomes a small community and the insiders pretty well know what is going on with other people. The Mr Olympia and Arnold Classic are the two biggest shows and winners earn a lot of money. However, only the Olympia earns legend status. That is THE contest to win. Today the prize money makes this a very important enterprise for all concerned. It isn't fooling around any more.

What do we find happening in the pro ranks of the IFBB? Well, contracts are signed and bodybuilders are limited about what they can do and say. Fair enough to a point because sponsoring athletes is big money and sponsors want to get value for their investment. The IFBB selects judges and lets someone else promote the contests. This is hardly a cheap enterprise. It costs a fortune to stage the Olympia event. You would think that the professional organization would be a smooth operation and hardly any problems at all. Well, to assist the musclemen the pro league has decided to appoint a professional athletes rep. This professional position is not a paid one. Judges get paid to judge but the pro rep doesn't earn a cent from all the work done. So, on paper it looks like the IFBB is looking after the athletes who have a person to represent them for any issues they might have. The reality is quite something else.

The one thing musclemen learn over the years in this subjective sport is not to make any waves. Keep a low profile and be pleasant to everyone. Now, I ask you, would any of these professional athletes go to Bob Chick to voice their complaints, etc.? That is the last thing most would do. Why? Well, they instinctively know that complaining to someone like Bob is like complaining to the boss himself. It doesn't pay to do that. Thus, Bob Chick actually represents the IFBB and informs muscleheads how to cooperate with the organization. He points out penalties to those who don't think straight.

The Pro League appointed athletes rep is a sham. Unless and until that is an elected position there can be no transparancy and validity. The appointment is an insult to all bodybuilders everywhere. It is just another way the dictatorial organization asserts itself. The bodybuilders were forgotten long ago and are still treated like second class citizens today.

To sum up what I feel, Bob Chick is the very last person most professionals would approach with complaints against the IFBB and Pro League. Look at how he is totally unprofessional to critics like myself who voice my opinion about the IFBB. He uses insults and namecalling to try to silence anyone who speaks out. That is really the opposite of what a fair dinkum athletes rep should be like. His job is to represent the IFBB and Pro League on Getbig and silence all opposition.


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