Author Topic: Athletes Rep - How it works (Read 28273 times)

G o a t b o y · « **Reply #25 on:** April 30, 2009, 08:43:57 PM »

Quote from: polychronopolous on April 30, 2009, 08:34:12 PM

Now lets all sit back and watch as Chick totally ignores this statement and instead goes back and forth trading insults with some dumbass named "Goatboy".....

Don't blame me for Bob's character flaws.

polychronopolous · « **Reply #26 on:** April 30, 2009, 08:45:48 PM »

Quote from: G o a t b o y on April 30, 2009, 08:43:57 PM

Don't blame me for Bob's character flaws.

Sorry bro, no disrespect.

I just like the way it sounded.

Max_Rep · « **Reply #27 on:** May 01, 2009, 12:36:58 AM »

Quote from: Power Rod on April 30, 2009, 07:41:45 PM

I stopped reading after the first sentence, you fat bullshitting liar.

Stopped reading? Crissake I fell asleep from boredom at that point.

gordiano · « **Reply #28 on:** May 01, 2009, 01:11:37 AM »

Vince B., you make some good points and agree with you for the most part....till you started referring to male muscle pageants as a sport, and its contestants as athletes.

Vince B · « **Reply #29 on:** May 01, 2009, 03:59:31 AM »

Bob wears too many hats and thinks nothing of it. Well, he can't impartially represent the professional bodybuilders when he comments on their physiques and personalities on web casts and radio shows for Bodybuilding Com. I mean, why would the athletes tolerate that crap? An impartial representative doesn't pass comment that might affect the judging process in the future or influence others about various competitor's flaws and weaknesses. When Bob is MCing a contest how can he represent the athletes? Especially at the Olympia. He would be concentrating on doing the MC job and not on what is bothering the athletes.

Bob is a good talker but the honest reality is he is too opinionated about this sport and the men in it. That is fine for TV and radio shows but hardly acceptable for an athletes rep. Bob swears anyone can run for the position but the way the Pro League is set up no sensible professional who has a chance to win prize money would do that job. You cannot represent yourself AND the other athletes. If Bob C is the best man for the position then heaven help professional bodybuilding.

Boost · « **Reply #30 on:** May 01, 2009, 04:34:28 AM »

not too long ago in the UK you needed to be 6ft to be a cop.

That's when the cops had balls.

Now u got guys around Bob's height (5"9) making a mockery of the service.

lax · « **Reply #31 on:** May 01, 2009, 04:35:39 AM »

Quote from: Vince Basile on April 30, 2009, 07:01:04 PM

I have been bodybuilding for over 50 years now. That is a long time to be around the Iron Game. Few of us who start out imagine we will ever be like the huge guys we see in the magazines. If we persist for years we might achieve some reasonable size and even enter contests. Ah, those contests. You have to have nerve to enter because there you are up on stage, shaved, oiled and in a posing costume. Spare some consideration for the preparation required for todays shows. It isn't easy.

I never imagined being that big. Zane/nubret size would be fine.

Well, having associated with muscleheads for decades I can say that we represent the full gamet of personalities and intelligences. You have to do a lot of things right to be able to keep growing all those years. Diet, training, recuperation, and lifestyle impact on any results you might achieve. When you see someone really big and cut you know they have paid their dues and trained long and hard. It takes a good brain to achieve huge size. If the person isn't that smart he probably has someone who is smart that is helping him.

It is true...one must suffer and have some intelligence to succeed

For those who do enter contests what do we find? Most bodybuilders aspire to be whatever the top title of the day is. In the old days that was Mr America or Mr Universe. Lots of champions earned those titles and were proud of it. Today the top title is the Mr Olympia. Thus, the majority of bodybuilders think about enterring IFBB contests as a gateway to the professional contests. Very early in aspiring bodybuilders it becomes obvious that judging is a subjective process. We witness bodybuilders asking judges how they went and what should be improved. That is natural in a sport where subjectivity and opinion play such an important part. Even the thickest bloke realizes that it isn't always the best man who wins shows. How can that be? Well, it happens. Thus, from almost the first contest bodybuilders become politically aware and have to not upset judges or officials who run shows. If you get a reputation for being difficult or speaking out you will find it hard to win or place in contests.

Nah...I never really wanted to go that far...for some reason, I just wanted to win the teen Mr. Michigan and then the Collegiate Nationals, two goals nearly but never fully achieved

Now, let us leap forward to the professional stage today. Because of magazines and the internet the competitors all know each other and can see what everyone else looks like. The judges and officials have access to the same information and images. This web of musclemen becomes a small community and the insiders pretty well know what is going on with other people. The Mr Olympia and Arnold Classic are the two biggest shows and winners earn a lot of money. However, only the Olympia earns legend status. That is THE contest to win. Today the prize money makes this a very important enterprise for all concerned. It isn't fooling around any more.

What do we find happening in the pro ranks of the IFBB? Well, contracts are signed and bodybuilders are limited about what they can do and say. Fair enough to a point because sponsoring athletes is big money and sponsors want to get value for their investment. The IFBB selects judges and lets someone else promote the contests. This is hardly a cheap enterprise. It costs a fortune to stage the Olympia event. You would think that the professional organization would be a smooth operation and hardly any problems at all. Well, to assist the musclemen the pro league has decided to appoint a professional athletes rep. This professional position is not a paid one. Judges get paid to judge but the pro rep doesn't earn a cent from all the work done. So, on paper it looks like the IFBB is looking after the athletes who have a person to represent them for any issues they might have. The reality is quite something else.

The one thing musclemen learn over the years in this subjective sport is not to make any waves. Keep a low profile and be pleasant to everyone. Now, I ask you, would any of these professional athletes go to Bob Chick to voice their complaints, etc.? That is the last thing most would do. Why? Well, they instinctively know that complaining to someone like Bob is like complaining to the boss himself. It doesn't pay to do that. Thus, Bob Chick actually represents the IFBB and informs muscleheads how to cooperate with the organization. He points out penalties to those who don't think straight.

The Pro League appointed athletes rep is a sham. Unless and until that is an elected position there can be no transparancy and validity. The appointment is an insult to all bodybuilders everywhere. It is just another way the dictatorial organization asserts itself. The bodybuilders were forgotten long ago and are still treated like second class citizens today.

To sum up what I feel, Bob Chick is the very last person most professionals would approach with complaints against the IFBB and Pro League. Look at how he is totally unprofessional to critics like myself who voice my opinion about the IFBB. He uses insults and namecalling to try to silence anyone who speaks out. That is really the opposite of what a fair dinkum athletes rep should be like. His job is to represent the IFBB and Pro League on Getbig and silence all opposition.

I just can't fathom why anyone would get into bb to become a pro...the odds are so far against you...if it happens to happen...fine....don't set it out as a plan....the breeding ground of tragedy!

lax · « **Reply #32 on:** May 01, 2009, 04:41:24 AM »

Quote from: buffdnet on April 30, 2009, 07:47:51 PM

the appointment is an insult to drug using bodybuilders everywhere
us natural bodybuilders and competitors don't give a shit
good for a laugh though
as sad as the whole scam is
then the natural scene is bout as filthy but I can proudly say
I'm not a felon
your all class. and most likely a drug abusing felon

he who acreams 'natural'
is usually the most guilty

LatsMcGee · « **Reply #33 on:** May 01, 2009, 04:44:12 AM »

The sad truth is that Vince Basille would love to be penetrated by Bob Chick and Melvin Goodrum at the same time.

Chick · « **Reply #34 on:** May 01, 2009, 04:46:11 AM »

Quote from: Aaron Singerman on April 30, 2009, 08:02:18 PM

I am aware it's a thankless Job, Chick... and I'm sure your heart is in the right place, but you have to admit you are wearing too many hats... and from here, they look very similar!

You write for Flex who was owned by Weider. Now owned by AMI. AMI puts on the IFBB's biggest contest, Mr. Olympia. Robin Chang is in charge of this contest which you are paid MC and cover. You also are a host of PBW sponsored by FLEX, bodybuilding.com, and muscletech, along with other big movers within the Weider built industry. Finally you represent the athletes against or instead of the IFBB... Maybe you should be the athletes' liaison to the IFBB (Rep implies impartiality)... I think that would be a more appropriate job.

So your point is what? Are you implying im not doing a good job? So you figure if we change the name of the position, that it makes my job different somehow?

ironneck · « **Reply #35 on:** May 01, 2009, 04:48:27 AM »

he has pretty ripped glutes but his abs could be a little tighter

bigdumbbell · « **Reply #36 on:** May 01, 2009, 04:51:45 AM »

Quote from: Chick on April 30, 2009, 07:41:05 PM

Yeah? and just what do you believe a lawyer would be able to get accomplished in a private club?

golden

Vince G, CSN MFT · « **Reply #37 on:** May 01, 2009, 05:02:38 AM »

Quote from: Vince Basile on May 01, 2009, 03:59:31 AM

Bob wears too many hats and thinks nothing of it. Well, he can't impartially represent the professional bodybuilders when he comments on their physiques and personalities on web casts and radio shows for Bodybuilding Com. I mean, why would the athletes tolerate that crap? An impartial representative doesn't pass comment that might affect the judging process in the future or influence others about various competitor's flaws and weaknesses. When Bob is MCing a contest how can he represent the athletes? Especially at the Olympia. He would be concentrating on doing the MC job and not on what is bothering the athletes.

Bob is a good talker but the honest reality is he is too opinionated about this sport and the men in it. That is fine for TV and radio shows but hardly acceptable for an athletes rep. Bob swears anyone can run for the position but the way the Pro League is set up no sensible professional who has a chance to win prize money would do that job. You cannot represent yourself AND the other athletes. If Bob C is the best man for the position then heaven help professional bodybuilding.

Are you just wanting people to acknowledge that you won the 1970 Mr Canada???

Fine congratualtions....now go away. You've once again made a complete jackass out of yourself as you've never been an IFBB pro. You didn't have the heart to train hard and compete and now you're writing these stupid threads to make your life a little more meaningful.

You will not be remembered in history as a great bodybuilder, Vince. Deal with it and stop wasting the little time you have otherwise

Schmoe Buster · « **Reply #38 on:** May 01, 2009, 05:06:41 AM »

Quote from: Vince G, CSN MFT on May 01, 2009, 05:02:38 AM

Are you just wanting people to acknowledge that you won the 1970 Mr Canada???

Fine congratualtions....now go away. You've once again made a complete jackass out of yourself as you've never been an IFBB pro. You didn't have the heart to train hard and compete and now you're writing these stupid threads to make your life a little more meaningful.

You will not be remembered in history as a great bodybuilder, Vince. Deal with it and stop wasting the little time you have otherwise

you are just describing yourself Cumdrum

the Algebra Wizard · « **Reply #39 on:** May 01, 2009, 05:24:50 AM »

Quote from: Chick on April 30, 2009, 07:38:10 PM

Well said Bob , you are doing a great job, the changes that have been implemented under your watch, have been ground breaking, and I'm sure there are more to come.

Chick · « **Reply #40 on:** May 01, 2009, 05:57:31 AM »

Quote from: the Algebra Wizard on May 01, 2009, 05:24:50 AM

Well said Bob , you are doing a great job, the changes that have been implemented under your watch, have been ground breaking, and I'm sure there are more to come.

You know it, brother

The Ugly · « **Reply #41 on:** May 01, 2009, 06:28:22 AM »

Quote from: G o a t b o y on April 30, 2009, 07:16:24 PM

Got the cliff notes version to that novel?

Something about Bob and hats, someone maybe dies at the end.

buffdnet · « **Reply #42 on:** May 01, 2009, 06:33:59 AM »

Quote

he who acreams 'natural' is usually the most guilty

I'm 53 years old and have the worse genetics possible for bodybuilding
but I can and have been on stage and hope to again
your way out of your league but nice try kid.

Army of One · « **Reply #43 on:** May 01, 2009, 06:39:48 AM »

Because there are no athletes in Bodybuilding!

karu · « **Reply #44 on:** May 01, 2009, 06:40:24 AM »

bob Chick.

Why do you keep lying about how you got this job?

Just admit it that Manion handed it to you.

Shawn had to get voted in, while you just got the nod from your daddy.

Brutal_1 · « **Reply #45 on:** May 01, 2009, 06:41:15 AM »

pics of an athlete or it never happened

OneManGang · « **Reply #46 on:** May 01, 2009, 06:43:32 AM »

He is the only union leader representing the employer...

dr.chimps · « **Reply #47 on:** May 01, 2009, 06:45:21 AM »

Vince? Your spiel was interesting until you started to hammer at Chick. Problem is, you don't have any hard evidence of mis/wrongdoing by the Chickster. All you have is dislike, so your tracts come across as sour grapes.

ironneck · « **Reply #48 on:** May 01, 2009, 06:48:09 AM »

vince is so old ,he watched adam and eve grow

lax · « **Reply #49 on:** May 01, 2009, 06:51:11 AM »

Quote from: buffdnet on May 01, 2009, 06:33:59 AM

I'm 53 years old and have the worse genetics possible for bodybuilding
but I can and have been on stage and hope to again
your way out of your league but nice try kid.

props to you

haha...'kid'...thanks!

Still....it seems of the same line as "methinks the lady doth protest too much..." when the 'naturals' rant and rave about how clean they are and everyone else is so bad

If it were so true, it really wouldn't be much of an issue.

Which is why I usually think it is not true.