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Pakistan Panhandles For Military Aid
« on: May 01, 2009, 06:02:16 PM »
Pakistan Panhandles For Military Aid 
Pakistan's latest excuse for its inability to put down the the Taliban insurgency is lack of "capacity," which means they don't have the proper military equipment. Every senior Paksitani politician has claimed that if only the United States would provide items like night vision goggles and helicopters, Pakistan's fight would be going swimmingly.


'As far as our capacity is concerned, obviously there are gaps. For instance, we face shortage of helicopters as well as night vision equipment,' said Foreign Office Spokesman Abdul Basit at the weekly media briefing.

Pakistan had contacted some of the leading Western capitals including Washington and London for the provision of the needed equipment, but its pleas were not heeded by the international community.

'We have been making approaches not only to the US but to other major countries as well for the provision of the required equipment to counter terrorism and violent extremism. But unfortunately there has been no worthwhile response from those capitals.'


But the reality is that the Pakistanis could fill these equipment needs without Western assistance. Russia and other former Soviet nations, as well as China, sell helicopters and night vision gear. If these items were so critical to the fight, then the Pakistanis wouldn't be sitting around waiting for a handout; they'd go buy the equipment needed and push it to the front lines. Instead, the Pakistanis wait for the United States and other nations to open their wallets yet again.

Pakistan is also offering excuse as part of an effort to hide the very real problem that exists within its military: the Army leadership is reluctant to send its regular troops into the fight out of fear that the Army will fracture and elements will defect to the enemy. And this would detract from the real purpose of the Army: to secure the eastern border from their arch enemy, the Indians. The problem with that is that if the Army remains on the sideline for too long, it might not have a country left to defend against the Indians
 
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Re: Pakistan Panhandles For Military Aid
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2009, 06:04:57 PM »
Didn't some here say that the vaunted Paki army would kick our ass. We will never invade Pakistan, atleast on a conventional level. But please don't make them ought to anything more then a big worthless and weak army. Its also being rumored that we have NATO (US) Spec Ops troops guarding their nuclear installations. I guess this makes the Indians feel better.
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Re: Pakistan Panhandles For Military Aid
« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2009, 06:18:32 PM »
Pakistan Panhandles For Military Aid 
Pakistan's latest excuse for its inability to put down the the Taliban insurgency is lack of "capacity," which means they don't have the proper military equipment. Every senior Paksitani politician has claimed that if only the United States would provide items like night vision goggles and helicopters, Pakistan's fight would be going swimmingly.


'As far as our capacity is concerned, obviously there are gaps. For instance, we face shortage of helicopters as well as night vision equipment,' said Foreign Office Spokesman Abdul Basit at the weekly media briefing.

Pakistan had contacted some of the leading Western capitals including Washington and London for the provision of the needed equipment, but its pleas were not heeded by the international community.

'We have been making approaches not only to the US but to other major countries as well for the provision of the required equipment to counter terrorism and violent extremism. But unfortunately there has been no worthwhile response from those capitals.'


But the reality is that the Pakistanis could fill these equipment needs without Western assistance. Russia and other former Soviet nations, as well as China, sell helicopters and night vision gear. If these items were so critical to the fight, then the Pakistanis wouldn't be sitting around waiting for a handout; they'd go buy the equipment needed and push it to the front lines. Instead, the Pakistanis wait for the United States and other nations to open their wallets yet again.

Pakistan is also offering excuse as part of an effort to hide the very real problem that exists within its military: the Army leadership is reluctant to send its regular troops into the fight out of fear that the Army will fracture and elements will defect to the enemy. And this would detract from the real purpose of the Army: to secure the eastern border from their arch enemy, the Indians. The problem with that is that if the Army remains on the sideline for too long, it might not have a country left to defend against the Indians
 


This statement is one of the reasons why the Chinese army will remain untested.

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Re: Pakistan Panhandles For Military Aid
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2009, 06:22:56 PM »
Thats an interesting take....I offer this.


BEIJING — China is in a foul mood, according to the appropriately titled Unhappy China, a white-hot bestseller that is as controversial here as I've found it to be accurate in a week-long canvassing of this country's increasingly important growing pains. It's a collection of essays from five overtly nationalist writers who want China to stand up and assume the global leadership that, in their opinion, naturally falls to their country once America's profound bankruptcy has been revealed. The book has triggered an intense debate across China's vast sea of netizens, with the bulk of commentary as scathingly critical of the authors' long-term vision of China's superpower-dom as the book is of American leadership.

Taken as a whole, one can easily get the impression that China is deeply distressed by Team USA's recent streak as globalization's guns-a-blazing Leviathan, but equally reluctant to replace. Having survived Mao Zedong's murderous insanities, China's version of Boomers are truly careful what they wish for.

But if the Chinese are unhappy with America's government, there's even more dissatisfaction with their own. Between the milk scandal, a poor response to the massive Sichuan quake, and pervasive corruption of officials, China's ruling capitalist party finds itself wading nervously through a series of anniversaries: twenty years of Tiananmen Square memories, thirty since Deng Xiaoping's world-shaking reforms, and the sixty for the People's Republic itself.

With that kind of ideological crossroads, it's little wonder that China's confused about what it wants to be when it's all grown-up.

Still, some of this anger from the Chinese is rather petty: The Olympics were a massive coming-out party last year, and not everyone on the planet gave the regime a thumbs-up, being so rude as to complain about situations like Tibet, Darfur, and Myanmar. But if China's going to get all pissy over some Hollywood blowback, then how's it going to handle the kind of widespread enmity that comes with being king of the hill? Being a superpower ain't for sissies.

It's almost as if Chinese people expect the world to withhold its political opinions in the same manner as they're commanded by the Party. Then again, maybe that's why Unhappy China has triggered such a cathartic social debate. With President Hu Jintao standing front and center at G-20 photo-ops and Premier Wen Jiabao publicly calling out America for sabotaging the global economy, why should China take any of this sanctimonious guff from the West?


Unprepared for Takeover, In Need of a Makeover
Honestly, I agree with Unhappy China's primary prescriptions: China needs to lead the world in discovering new ways to use natural resources more intelligently (necessity being the mother of invention), and step up to some serious global policing (how about some Asian blood for Asian oil?), and navigate its way toward true democracy (Deng's own long-term prediction).

If getting mad at America is what it takes to fire up the Chinese people, that just proves a little social anger goes a long way to push governments for better answers. So bring on da' noise (populism) if you wanna bring on da' funk (progressivism). And then get yourself a bevy of Teddy Roosevelts, Upton Sinclairs, and suitably self-righteous civic groups to drive the much-needed makeover.

Right now China and globalization at large are suffering from the same growing pains that plagued "rising" America in the latter decades of the 19th century: too much income inequality, too much despoiling of the commons, too little regulation of a rapacious capitalism desperately in need of taming. So I might ask, If not China, then who? And if not now, then when? Europe's too busy getting old, and America's too busy paying off its second mortgage (plus Afghanistan).

Speaking of Hu and Wen, my sense is that this global crisis caught China's tight-lipped leadership about a decade too early. Beijing's current ruling generation consists of homebodies who never took their junior years abroad. The next generations, teed-up for rule in 2012 and 2022 respectively, earned plenty of graduate degrees from the West's top universities. But today's leaders were trapped at a young age by the Cultural Revolution — a formative experience that left them risk-averse.

So just when this financial meltdown tempts China to grab globalization's steering wheel, we get guys whose entire lives prepared them to pull the parking brake and little else.


Heads in the Sand, Missed Chances for the Future
I've spent the past couple days lecturing at China's version of Harvard — Beijing's prestigious Tsinghua University, where I found no shortage of best-and-brightest material among the school's small army of Ph.D. candidates in International Relations. There is a glorious naďveté about these young students, none of whom can remember a time when China wasn't on the rise. They truly believe that if we all just play nice with one another, there'll be nothing to kill for, nothing to die for, and no extremists either.

I felt like such a cynic, then, telling them that China is better off sticking with the whole "peaceful rise" mantra and leaving the Leviathan work to a greater power. Unless, of course, they could foresee a day when the People's Liberation Army leads the U.N.-sanctioned coalition force into some shoot-'em-up with seriously bad actors.

Moreover, I told them that China can't possibly lead the world until it evolves past single-party rule. As smart and as sophisticated as the upcoming generations of Chinese leaders are, they'll never be able to match America's tolerance for strategic risk — the essence of genuine leadership. The United States has the political confidence to lead because, in the event of great failure, it can change ruling parties with a lag time that's four years at worse and sometimes as quick as two. There is no "throw-the-bums-out" option in China, and when face cannot be lost, it'll remain masked by diplomacy.

And that's what I mean by history catching China too early: Leadership here is still based on authority rather than legitimacy — it's not about how you gained power that counts but how you wield it. Beijing's bosses have long based their authority on being able to deliver strong economic growth, the implied grand strategy being nothing more than restoring China to its rightful place in the world.

But like the dog chasing the car and eventually acquiring its target, China has little idea of what comes next.

Instead, China purposefully dithers when it could be decisive. Afraid of arousing America's lingering suspicions but too proud to be its junior partner, China has avoided comprehensive strategic cooperation by insisting that the Taiwan issue "must be settled," as if Hillary Clinton could snap her fingers and make that happen. Yet China's military build-up remains based primarily around this scenario, leaving the force rather useless for actual global policing.

Imagine an American political system obsessed with reunification with Cuba, or a U.S. military designed primarily for that conflict scenario. Would anybody in the world take us seriously as a global superpower?

What's most telling is China's avoidance of any real regional leadership on North Korea: China's party chiefs can't bear the thought that Kim's fall would reflect badly on their perceived legitimacy as a socialist state, and so they prop up his criminal regime while facetiously mumbling about "peaceful resolution."

My advice, again: give Washington a call when you're serious about leading the world instead of the moribund world socialist movement. Hell, on the basis of Medicare and Social Security alone, I'd give the U.S. a higher score than China on the socialism scale.


On the Bright Side, a Chance to Lead
Nonetheless, I've come away deeply impressed with Tsinghua's students and faculty. They strike me as deeply aware of China's many strengths and weaknesses, and completely committed to building not just a better China but even a better world.

And, no, I ultimately don't want to disabuse these bright minds of the notion that trade and connectivity and globalization are all pacifying and therefore good. Because they are. I just want them to understand that something that good is worth defending with more than just words.

So I remain optimistic about China's future, and this trip has only reinforced my confidence. The country and government and people are all strenuously progressing through a long list of social and economic transformations at a stunningly fast rate. Yes, with that magnitude of change comes plenty of social friction, but when those are eventually resolved with more competitive domestic politics, I fully expect China will become happier with itself and the world — and thus capable of truly visionary global leadership.

I just hope China hurries up and gets its act together, because our superpower — even after these first hundred days — could use some competition.

I don't agree with everything...but a military built to invade a small island, a pretty good take, and one many people here have made, whether directly or indirectly.

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Re: Pakistan Panhandles For Military Aid
« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2009, 06:34:31 PM »
The problem is China has no real prominent thinkers and critics. nothing to balance out. America has had very excellent social critics at home and on the world scale.   But also telling one car forum someone said about Chinse car company Geely blatant copy of the Rolls Royce Phantom, "what do you expect from a country that has little respect of intellectual property, they own very little of their ideas"

China if it really wants to step up to plate has to be critical of itself, and be a world leader in freedom, not just the freedom to overfload the market with cheap goods. 

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Re: Pakistan Panhandles For Military Aid
« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2009, 06:40:45 PM »
I think this guy makes that argument. Even if we screw up....we get another party with generally different ideas, that takes power. All u get in China is another technocrat in a Mao suit...same idea, same bad haircut.
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Re: Pakistan Panhandles For Military Aid
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2009, 12:15:20 AM »
Wasn't it the Pakis that left our guys in downtown Mogadishu?

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Re: Pakistan Panhandles For Military Aid
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2009, 12:28:29 AM »
Wasn't it the Pakis that left our guys in downtown Mogadishu?

Pakis in Somalia?

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Re: Pakistan Panhandles For Military Aid
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2009, 12:29:33 AM »
Ya, as part of the UN force around the "Blackhawk Down" era...

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Re: Pakistan Panhandles For Military Aid
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2009, 12:30:10 AM »
Perhaps pakistan asked GM or CITi for advice on getting free money from the US Govt.

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Re: Pakistan Panhandles For Military Aid
« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2009, 08:49:15 AM »
Wasn't it the Pakis that left our guys in downtown Mogadishu?

Yeah..allegedly..or it might be in Mark Bowden's book...a Captain from 10th put his pistol to the head of a Paki commander to get his guys to roll.
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Re: Pakistan Panhandles For Military Aid
« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2009, 10:13:08 AM »
Pakistan Panhandles For Military Aid 
Pakistan's latest excuse for its inability to put down the the Taliban insurgency is lack of "capacity," which means they don't have the proper military equipment. Every senior Paksitani politician has claimed that if only the United States would provide items like night vision goggles and helicopters, Pakistan's fight would be going swimmingly.




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Re: Pakistan Panhandles For Military Aid
« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2009, 01:55:22 PM »
Wow did u figure that out all by yourself....by "we" do u mean ur 3 alt gimmicks. What tipped u off..maybe it was the quotes. I guess u really must be a retard.
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Re: Pakistan Panhandles For Military Aid
« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2009, 01:57:56 PM »
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« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2009, 02:03:37 PM »
Thats awsome...
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Re: Pakistan Panhandles For Military Aid
« Reply #15 on: May 02, 2009, 02:08:59 PM »
Pakistan Panhandles

 


this is news to you?


sooo very 1992ish  :-\
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Re: Pakistan Panhandles For Military Aid
« Reply #16 on: May 02, 2009, 02:12:44 PM »
Not at all...just an interesting article.
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Re: Pakistan Panhandles For Military Aid
« Reply #17 on: May 02, 2009, 02:15:25 PM »
Not at all...just an interesting article.

the govt of [pakistan after Bhotto (benazirs father) is and will always be corrupt...

the next prez after this one will be thinking " everyone else before me lined their pockets in the name of terrorism.....hey..why not me "


hmm reminds me of someone here in America...wonder whoooo?
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Re: Pakistan Panhandles For Military Aid
« Reply #18 on: May 02, 2009, 05:45:08 PM »
If the ruling people in Pakistan can't get their shit together, I think it's about time to 'green-light' India.

All agree?

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Re: Pakistan Panhandles For Military Aid
« Reply #19 on: May 03, 2009, 07:07:44 AM »
If the ruling people in Pakistan can't get their shit together, I think it's about time to 'green-light' India.

All agree?

you do know paki has nukes right?


If the paki cricket team loses to india Islamabad and Karachi and Lahore totally shut down for weeks and there r riots...

what do you think would happen if india suggested an attack?



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« Reply #20 on: May 03, 2009, 07:15:44 AM »
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