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Pregnant British woman could face Laos death penalty
« on: May 05, 2009, 12:11:24 AM »
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British woman could face Laos death penalty

BANGKOK, Thailand (CNN) -- A pregnant British woman facing possible execution in Laos will go on trial this week, the country's foreign affairs ministry said Monday.

Samantha Orobator "is facing death by firing squad for drug trafficking," said Clare Algar, executive director of Reprieve, a London-based human rights group.

Orobator, 20, was arrested on August 5, said Khenthong Nuanthasing, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs spokesman.

She was alleged to have been carrying just over half a kilogram (1.1 pounds) of heroin, Reprieve lawyer Anna Morris told CNN by phone from Vientiane, the Laotian capital. "For that amount of heroin the sentence is normally the death penalty," she said.

Orobator's mother Jane found out in January her daughter was pregnant -- more than four months after she was arrested, her mother said.

Jane Orobator heard the news from the British Foreign Office, which has been monitoring the case, the mother told CNN by phone from Dublin, where she lives.

She cannot believe her daughter was involved in drug trafficking, and was surprised to learn she was in Laos, she said.

"I don't know" what she was doing there, she said. "The last time she spoke with me, she said she was on holiday in London and she would come to see us in Dublin before returning to the U.K. in July.

"She is not the type of person who would be involved in drugs," she added.

Reprieve is worried about her health, especially given her pregnancy, Anna Morris said.

"She became pregnant in prison. We are concerned that it may not have been consensual and we are concerned that someone who finds herself in prison at 20 is subject to exploitation," she said.

She is due to give birth in September, the lawyer added.

Reprieve sent Morris from London to Laos to try to help Orobator, Algar said.

The lawyer arrived there on Sunday and is hoping to visit Orobator on Tuesday, her boss at Reprieve said. A British consul has also arrived in the country.

"Reprieve heard about her case two weeks ago. We had thought yesterday the trial was going to start today," Algar said Monday. "We have now heard from Anna that it is not going to."

"I am the first British lawyer who has asked for access to her," Morris said. "She needs to have a local lawyer appointed to her. We are pressing very hard for the local authorities to appoint one."

She said it was normal in the Laotian justice system for a defendant to get a lawyer only days before a trial.

The last execution in Laos was in 1990, the foreign affairs spokesman said.

British Foreign Office Minister Bill Rammell issued a statement about Orobator on Saturday.

"The British Government is opposed to the use of the death penalty in all circumstances. We have made the Laos authorities aware of this at the highest levels in Samantha's case," he said.

"We are paying close attention to her welfare and are in regular contact with the Laotian authorities about her case. British Embassy officials, including the Ambassador, have visited her six times since her arrest," he said.

"In addition, Britain's consular representatives in Laos, the Australian Embassy, including the Australian Embassy doctor, have visited Samantha 10 times on our behalf," he said.

There is no British Embassy in Laos. A British vice-consul arrived in the country this weekend, the Foreign Office said Monday.

Rammell plans to raise the Orobator case with the Laotian deputy prime minister this week, he said.

Samantha Orobator was born in Nigeria and moved to London with her family when she was 8, her mother said.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/05/04/laos.british.woman.drugs.trial/index.html

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Re: Pregnant British woman could face Laos death penalty
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2009, 12:21:00 AM »
$5 says her lawyer delivered the sperm.

Hell of a defense, get the world spotlight on it.  They haven't exectured anyone since 1990.  no way they shoot a preggo chick.

However, she should do the jail time.  What kind of moron smuggles dope into Laos?

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Re: Pregnant British woman could face Laos death penalty
« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2009, 12:25:39 AM »
She is trailer-trash 'untermenchen' - kill her & the fucking brat (well, fetus brat).
Rid the gene pool of these scum.............

Smuggling Smack in a country that has capital punishment for said crime, & then bleat like a spring lamb "but I am pregnant" - 'Fuck you lady"

You may file a complaint with the God's - you will be with them soon.

PT  - SAIDA.

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Re: Pregnant British woman could face Laos death penalty
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2009, 06:31:15 AM »
$5 says her lawyer delivered the sperm.

Hell of a defense, get the world spotlight on it.  They haven't exectured anyone since 1990.  no way they shoot a preggo chick.

However, she should do the jail time.  What kind of moron smuggles dope into Laos?

Her lawyer delivered the sperm, even tho lawyers haven't been given permission to speak / see her? ???

pillowtalk, you are one fucked up individual. I may have some opinions on races etc... but talking like that makes you look like an absolute fucking lunatic.
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Re: Pregnant British woman could face Laos death penalty
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2009, 07:55:58 AM »


pillowtalk, you are one fucked up individual. I may have some opinions on races etc... but talking like that makes you look like an absolute fucking lunatic.

She was caught bang to rights, in a country that has capital punishment for said crime.
That 'Smack' was headed for European streets, fuck her, fuck her Kid that would have been a 'replicant untermenchen' clone like mommy by the age of 5 anyhow.

I am not against Opiates per say (some of the Thai smack is not bad, especially, if it's high grade White), more the kind of 'council estate whores' that get them-selves in these situations (even when pregnant).
Fuck her, & fuck you if you want to shed a tear.
Wanker.


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Re: Pregnant British woman could face Laos death penalty
« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2009, 08:03:30 AM »
She is trailer-trash 'untermenchen' - kill her & the fucking brat (well, fetus brat).
Rid the gene pool of these scum.............

Smuggling Smack in a country that has capital punishment for said crime, & then bleat like a spring lamb "but I am pregnant" - 'Fuck you lady"

You may file a complaint with the God's - you will be with them soon.

PT  - SAIDA.



She was caught bang to rights, in a country that has capital punishment for said crime.
That 'Smack' was headed for European streets, fuck her, fuck her Kid that would have been a 'replicant untermenchen' clone like mommy by the age of 5 anyhow.

I am not against Opiates per say (some of the Thai smack is not bad, especially, if it's high grade White), more the kind of 'council estate whores' that get them-selves in these situations (even when pregnant).
Fuck her, & fuck you if you want to shed a tear.
Wanker.




I agree with you...had she been Loatian and brought these drugs into america or UK or europe there would be no discussion about the penalty...even if it was CAPITAL. But she is a white woman and pregnant (supposedly) by someone in Laos soooooooo she should be spared...NADA, NOPE, NYET, NO...
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Re: Pregnant British woman could face Laos death penalty
« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2009, 08:10:03 AM »
She was caught bang to rights, in a country that has capital punishment for said crime.
That 'Smack' was headed for European streets, fuck her, fuck her Kid that would have been a 'replicant untermenchen' clone like mommy by the age of 5 anyhow.

I am not against Opiates per say (some of the Thai smack is not bad, especially, if it's high grade White), more the kind of 'council estate whores' that get them-selves in these situations (even when pregnant).
Fuck her, & fuck you if you want to shed a tear.
Wanker.

I don't disagree with what you have said at all... except in respect to taking smack...

My issue is with strange way of detailing your opinion. Is it your intention to say it in the most vile way possible? The same conclusions you state can be made in a much more tactful way.

I agree with you...had she been Loatian and brought these drugs into america or UK or europe there would be no discussion about the penalty...even if it was CAPITAL. But she is a white woman and pregnant (supposedly) by someone in Laos soooooooo she should be spared...NADA, NOPE, NYET, NO...

Haha!

You know what's AWESOME about what you have just said? (you retarded bent bastard! ;D)

The woman is...

BLACK AS THE ACE OF SPADES!

What an totally retarded minority you are! ;D
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Re: Pregnant British woman could face Laos death penalty
« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2009, 10:59:56 AM »
I don't disagree with what you have said at all... except in respect to taking smack...

My issue is with strange way of detailing your opinion. Is it your intention to say it in the most vile way possible? The same conclusions you state can be made in a much more tactful way.

Haha!

You know what's AWESOME about what you have just said? (you retarded bent bastard! ;D)

The woman is...

BLACK AS THE ACE OF SPADES!

What an totally retarded minority you are! ;D

Now I feel even less sympathy for her playing into this white game of quick money...serves her ass right...SHOOT HER. This game of being a MULE to transport drugs  is common in Britain by all of the dirt poor trash that gets involved for the FAST BUT DANGEROUS MONEY. I guess she didn't see the show LOCKED UP ABROAD...DUMASS..good for her. Guess her white mom didn't explain "THE GAME" of life to her or she thought she knew it all... she knows better now.
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Re: Pregnant British woman could face Laos death penalty
« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2009, 11:25:00 AM »
Pregnant Briton to escape death penalty in Laos
     
(CNN) -- A British woman who had been facing possible execution in Laos will escape the death sentence because she is pregnant, a spokesman for the Laotian Foreign Ministry said Tuesday.

The country's criminal law prohibits courts from sentencing pregnant women to death, spokesman Khenthong Nuanthasing told CNN. The woman's trial hasn't been scheduled yet, he said, but is likely to happen next week.

Samantha Orobator, 20, was facing death by firing squad for drug trafficking, said Clare Algar, the executive director of Reprieve, a London-based human rights group.

She was arrested August 5, Khenthong has said.

Orobator was alleged to have been carrying just over half a kilogram (about 1lb) of heroin, Reprieve lawyer Anna Morris told CNN by phone from Vientiane, the Laotian capital. Those found guilty of carrying that amount normally face the death penalty, she said.

Reprieve has said Orobator became pregnant in prison, possibly as a result of rape, and that she is due to give birth in September. That would mean Orobator became pregnant in January.

Khenthong agreed that Orobator is five months pregnant.

But he indicated that Orobator might have already been pregnant when she was arrested, and that she lost the first baby while in prison.

He said Orobator declared on the day of her arrest in August that she was two months pregnant by her boyfriend. After she had already been in jail for some time, he said, Orobator asked for medication to cure a vaginal infection, and he believes it caused her to lose the child.

Nuanthasing said officials are investigating Orobator's pregnancy.

Orobator's mother said she found out about her daughter's pregnancy in January. Jane Orobator told CNN she heard the news from the British Foreign Office, which has been monitoring the case.

There is no British Embassy in Laos; a British vice-consul arrived in the country over the weekend, the British Foreign Office said.

Jane Orobator said she cannot believe her daughter was involved in drug trafficking, and she was surprised to learn she was in Laos.

"I don't know" what she was doing there, she said from her home in Dublin, Ireland. "The last time she spoke with me, she said she was on holiday in London and she would come to see us in Dublin before returning to the UK in July.

"She is not the type of person who would be involved in drugs," she added.

Reprieve is worried about her health, especially given her pregnancy, Anna Morris said.

"She became pregnant in prison. We are concerned that it may not have been consensual and we are concerned that someone who finds herself in prison at 20 is subject to exploitation," she said.

Reprieve sent Morris from London to Laos to try to help Orobator, Algar said.

The lawyer arrived there on Sunday and is hoping to visit Orobator on Tuesday, her boss at Reprieve said. A British consul has also arrived in the country.

"I am the first British lawyer who has asked for access to her," Morris said. "She needs to have a local lawyer appointed to her. We are pressing very hard for the local authorities to appoint one."

She said it was normal in the Laotian justice system for a defendant to get a lawyer only days before a trial.

The last execution in Laos was in 1990, the foreign affairs spokesman said.

Samantha Orobator was born in Nigeria and moved to London with her family when she was 8, her mother said.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/05/05/laos.british.woman.death.penalty/index.html

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Re: Pregnant British woman could face Laos death penalty
« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2009, 11:18:17 PM »
Pregnant Briton sentenced to life

A pregnant British woman accused of smuggling heroin has been found guilty in Laos and sentenced to life in jail.

Samantha Orobator, 20, from south London, was caught with 1.5lb (680g) of the drug at Wattay airport in the capital, Vientiane, last August.

She would have faced a mandatory death sentence, but the execution of pregnant prisoners is not allowed in Laos.

Her trial had been delayed while Laotian officials tried to find out how she became pregnant in prison.

Pregnant in prison

The court took only three hours to reach its verdict, and during questioning by the prosecution and the three judges, Orobator admitted to carrying more than half a kilogram of heroin in an effort to try and take it out of the country to Australia.

Orobator's mother was in court. She did not say anything; nor did Orobator as she was taken back to prison.

Ronke Oseni, a friend of Orobator's, said she could hardly imagine what her friend was going through.

Samantha Orobator
Transferred prisoners are not able to appeal through British courts

She told the BBC: "[It's] a possibility that she may come to serve her sentence here, but if that doesn't take place... I mean, life in Laos, and living in those conditions for the rest of your life..."

Daniel Painter, from the British Embassy in Thailand, attended the trial. He was asked if the proceedings had been fair.

He told the BBC: ''We don't comment or interfere in the judicial proceedings of other countries. If Samantha has concerns about fair trial issues then we can take those up with the Laos government.''

The UK has recently signed a prisoner transfer agreement with Laos, which means Orobator could serve any potential sentence in a British jail. British officials have applied to see her to ask what she wants to do next.

She has 21 days to appeal against the sentence. If she applies for a transfer, she may see out much if not all of her sentence in the UK.

The Foreign and Commonwealth Office (FCO) said that British authorities would enforce any sentence imposed by a foreign court, although British release arrangements would be applied.

Once a prisoner is transferred to the UK, the High Court is asked to set a minimum period that they would have to serve before being considered for parole.
   
Transferred prisoners are not able to appeal through British courts.

An FCO spokesman said officials would soon be in touch with her to discuss what she wants to do next.

The spokesman told the BBC: "We will be discussing with Samantha if she wants to apply for a transfer. There is a prisoner transfer agreement; it will be up to her."

He said he was unable to say whether Orobator would be transferred back to the UK before the start of the third trimester of her pregnancy on 6 June - as has been called for by British human rights charity Reprieve.

Orobator has been held for nine months in Phongthong prison, where she reportedly became pregnant in December.

In response to the verdict, a Reprieve spokeswoman told the BBC: "We're relieved that she's had her trial and we are keen that the British government brings her home to the UK.

"Above all we're concerned about her health and the health of her unborn child."

The spokeswoman added that she hoped the transfer would happen in about two weeks.

"There's no real reason for delay," she said.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8080968.stm