Anti-white workplace brainwashing.

[IFBBwannaB]

Matt C,
Are you saying that it is a fact that females have smaller brains than males?  Are you saying that it is a fact that males are more intelligent than females?

Not to mention that our "great scientist" Matt forgot to mention that the correlation between brain size and intelligence is weak at best.

So his "fact" means nothing and doesn't support his claim, not to mention that in such complex studies the "facts" change daily, it's not physics that you can create an experiment and prove your point over and over again.

[andreisdaman]

I've hired blacks before and given them PLENTY of opportunities and never gotten much in the way of results.  For me to continue to do so would be financial suicide.

I'm sure you've gotten bad results from whites also...why just single out blacks?

[andreisdaman]

tiny fraction of the unqualified blacks who get into college(with scholarships) and the workforce over much more intelligent/qualified whites.

your denial is mind-blowing...

[andreisdaman]

let's just assume blacks are equal or better workers than whites on average.  why should a private business be forced to hire blacks(or anyone), even if the reason they don't hire them because they cant stand the look of their skin, big noses etc, why shouldn't the private employer be allowed to hire whom he wants based on any criteria he chooses, and why can't a landlord choose whether he wants negro tenants or not? this is supposed to be a free country, blacks are quite free to build up their own businesses and communities or leave the country if they don't like how things are.

Please keep posting stuff like this..you are my best proof of racism...I may just stop posting and let people read your stuff to prove my point

[Deicide]

Fact=there are racial differences.

Fact=who cares?

Fact=you should all get on with your lives.

[andreisdaman]

Who the fuck cares if white people did something wrong when by EVERY OBJECTIVE MEASURE blacks where better off when whites were around?

Jesus, that is exactly how black people are in America.  They are better off to live around whites than to live around blacks yet they still come here and complain about how bad things are.  Yes, whites have done bad things to blacks, but they have done far more good things and a little bit of context helps.  If you want to blame whitey for slavery then you damn well better thank whitey for all of the cures and medical technologies he invented too.

[BM OUT]

Stupid example.

You look to one despotic leader and the conditions in Zimbabwe as indicative of the intellligence of blacks?

You'd have to apply the same measuring stick to the USA, and George Bush, as indicative of the intelligence of Whites.
8 years ago, the economy was thriving, there were trillion dollar surplusses, plenty of jobs etc., etc. Then that moron Bush took over, starting invading countries, cutting infrastructure, spending like crazy, and giving tax cuts to the wealthiest who didn't need them and weren't asking for them. Then the place started falling apart, poor people couldn't keep spending the money that kept the economy going, and the rich wealthy. Now those record surpluses have turned into record deficits. Never mind the fact that Bush flew to Arizona to be with John McCain to celebrate his birthday, ...that and the fact that New Orleans was under water, millions of people were dying, and he didn't have a clue or a plan to address the situation.

It took Mugabe 20 yrs of corruption to destroy Zimbabwe, Bush did it in less than 8.
White people are overachievers when it comes to being really stupid! 

The economy was on a downturn when Bush took office.Once the dot com craze exploded that was it for the Clinton economy.Under Bush we had 6 very good years,despoite 911.To try to compare Bush to Mugabe is really one of the dumbest things Ive ever seen.

I love how these black appologists NEVER blame blacks for anything.75% of bloacks born out of wedlock?Its whites fault ,its still the residual effect of slavery.Incredible.

[andreisdaman]

Who the fuck cares if white people did something wrong when by EVERY OBJECTIVE MEASURE blacks where better off when whites were around?

Jesus, that is exactly how black people are in America.  They are better off to live around whites than to live around blacks yet they still come here and complain about how bad things are.  Yes, whites have done bad things to blacks, but they have done far more good things and a little bit of context helps.  If you want to blame whitey for slavery then you damn well better thank whitey for all of the cures and medical technologies he invented too.

who exactly "comes here and complains"?...blacks have been here before the Irish, Jews, Italians,etc.....we are here and have been here..we don't come from anywhere else to complain....we protest that we are not treated as a full citizen in the land in which we and many many of our past generations were born

and blacks have always fought for the rights of other whites, Jews, Asians and Hispanics....we don't ask for redress for just us..we ask for all to be treated equally...you call that complaining???

[andreisdaman]

Who the fuck cares if white people did something wrong when by EVERY OBJECTIVE MEASURE blacks where better off when whites were around?

Jesus, that is exactly how black people are in America.  They are better off to live around whites than to live around blacks yet they still come here and complain about how bad things are.  Yes, whites have done bad things to blacks, but they have done far more good things and a little bit of context helps.  If you want to blame whitey for slavery then you damn well better thank whitey for all of the cures and medical technologies he invented too.

you're starting to curse which means I'm getting to you...racial slurs to follow

[andreisdaman]

There are obvious genetic differences between whites and blacks, intelligence wise and otherwise. That said, life is too short to worry about this shit like MattC does.

obvious to who>?

[andreisdaman]

Grew up in Morris Park, now live in Woodlawn on the border on Yonkers near Webster, Neireid, and McLean Ave.

cool!!!!

[Deicide]

obvious to who>?

James Watson:

[edit] Statement claiming links between race and intelligence
 
Watson signing autographs after a speech at Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory on April 30, 2007.See also: Race and intelligence
On October 14, 2007, a biographical article written by one of Watson's former assistants[48], Charlotte Hunt-Grubbe, appeared in the Sunday Times Magazine in anticipation of his soon to be released, in the UK, memoir Avoid Boring People: Lessons from a Life in Science.[48]

Watson was quoted as saying he was "inherently gloomy about the prospect of Africa" as

“ all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours — whereas all the testing [IQ and Standardized testing] says not really.[48] ”

Hunt-Grubbe stated that Watson's "hope" was "everyone is equal" but quoted him as having said "people who have to deal with black employees find this not true." Furthermore, she suggested that Watson believed "you should not discriminate on the basis of colour" by quoting him as having said

“ there are many people of colour who are very talented, but don’t promote them when they haven’t succeeded at the lower level.[48] ”

Watson was then attributed as having written

“ there is no firm reason to anticipate that the intellectual capacities of peoples geographically separated in their evolution should prove to have evolved identically. Our wanting to reserve equal powers of reason as some universal heritage of humanity will not be enough to make it so.[48] ”

The quotes attributed to him drew attention and criticism from press in several countries and was widely discussed on CNN[49], the BBC[50], several papers[51], peers and by civil rights advocates.[52] The common perception was that of Watson claiming a link between race and intelligence with the BBC stating that "[Watson] claimed black people were less intelligent than white people".[50] In his book, the origin of the final written quote, Watson does not directly mention race as a factor in his hypothesized divergence of intellect between geographically isolated populations.[53]

On October 18, The Science Museum in London cancelled a talk that Watson was scheduled to give the following day,[50] stating that they believed Watson's comments had "gone beyond the point of acceptable debate." On the same day the Board of Trustees at Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory suspended Watson's administrative responsibilities, stating that

“ this action follows the Board’s public statement yesterday disagreeing with the comments attributed to Dr. Watson in the October 14, 2007 edition of The Sunday Times U.K.[54]
that they "vehemently disagree with...and are bewildered and saddened" by.[51]
 ”

Francis Collins, director of the National Human Genome Research Institute, a position inherited from Watson, said

“ I am deeply saddened by the events of the last week...in the aftermath of a racist statement...that was both profoundly offensive and utterly unsupported by scientific evidence.[51] ”

On October 19, Watson issued an apology, stating that he was "mortified" and "cannot understand how I could have said what I am quoted as having said."[55][56] He also claimed to

“ understand why people, reading those words, have reacted in the ways they have ... To all those who have drawn the inference from my words that Africa, as a continent, is somehow genetically inferior, I can only apologize unreservedly. That is not what I meant. More importantly from my point of view, there is no scientific basis for such a belief.[57] ”

Clarifying his position further, Watson explained

“ I have always fiercely defended the position that we should base our view of the world on the state of our knowledge, on fact, and not on what we would like it to be. This is why genetics is so important. For it will lead us to answers to many of the big and difficult questions that have troubled people for hundreds, if not thousands, of years.
...Since 1978, when a pail of water was dumped over my Harvard friend E O Wilson for saying that genes influence human behaviour, the assault against human behavioural genetics by wishful thinking has remained vigorous.

But irrationality must soon recede ... science is not here to make us feel good. It is to answer questions in the service of knowledge and greater understanding.

...We do not yet adequately understand the way in which the different environments in the world have selected over time the genes which determine our capacity to do different things. The overwhelming desire of society today is to assume that equal powers of reason are a universal heritage of humanity. It may well be. But simply wanting this to be the case is not enough. This is not science.

To question this is not to give in to racism. This is not a discussion about superiority or inferiority, it is about seeking to understand differences, about why some of us are great musicians and others great engineers.[56][57]
 ”

Despite Watson's expressed belief in the importance of scientific inquiry into the relationship between heredity and intelligence, a number of news sources reported that Watson was "retracting" his earlier statements on this topic. For example, the journal Nature reported

“ Watson has apologized and retracted the outburst... He acknowledged that there is no evidence for what he claimed about racial differences in intelligence.[58] ”

Nature went on to say that the controversy and cancellations potentially could suppress scientific inquiry by geneticists who are studying the differences between different human population groups.[58] Medical Hypotheses (not peer-reviewed) went further, saying that "The unjustified ill treatment meted out to Watson therefore requires setting the record straight about the current state of the evidence on intelligence, race, and genetics.", and summarised evidence that apparently supports his position, declaring "These are facts, not opinions and science must be governed by data. There is no place for the “moralistic fallacy” that reality must conform to our social, political, or ethical desires."[59]

Despite the apology and subsequent attempt to clarify his position the controversy continued. He returned to the US and Cold Spring Harbor on the 19th October putting his further engagements in doubt. The University of Edinburgh formally retracted an invitation to the "DNA, Dolly and Other Dangerous Ideas: The Destiny of 21st Century Science" Enlightenment Lecture on October 22.[60]

Watson resigned from Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory on October 25.[49][61] Watson cited reasons for his retirement other than the controversy, though did refer to it.

“ Closer now to 80 than 79, the passing on of my remaining vestiges of leadership is more than overdue. The circumstances in which this transfer is occurring, however, are not those which I could ever have anticipated or desired.[62] ”

On December 9, 2007, a Sunday Times article[63] reported a claim by deCODE Genetics that 16% of Watson's DNA is of African origin and 9% is of Asian origin. deCODE's methods were not reported and details of the analysis were not published. According to deCODE's Kari Stefansson, the analysis relied on an error-ridden version of Watson's full genome sequence, and Stefansson "doubts [. . .] whether the 16 percent figure will hold up"[64] In 2008 Watson was interviewed by Henry Louis Gates regarding his views on race, intelligence, and other controversial subjects.[65]

In 2006 during an interview with Charlie Rose and E. O. Wilson, Watson stated that some people want to believe that evolution stopped 100,000 years ago. He stated that he did not agree with this view and that human differences are not trivial.[66]

IQ by country; look at the distribution...



The most difficult fields usually have much lower percentages of blacks working in them; I can't think of one prominent black person in my field, all Asians and Whites...

BUT....I don't care and it has no bearing on my life...

[andreisdaman]

James Watson:

[edit] Statement claiming links between race and intelligence
 
Watson signing autographs after a speech at Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory on April 30, 2007.See also: Race and intelligence
On October 14, 2007, a biographical article written by one of Watson's former assistants[48], Charlotte Hunt-Grubbe, appeared in the Sunday Times Magazine in anticipation of his soon to be released, in the UK, memoir Avoid Boring People: Lessons from a Life in Science.[48]

Watson was quoted as saying he was "inherently gloomy about the prospect of Africa" as

“ all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours — whereas all the testing [IQ and Standardized testing] says not really.[48] ”

Hunt-Grubbe stated that Watson's "hope" was "everyone is equal" but quoted him as having said "people who have to deal with black employees find this not true." Furthermore, she suggested that Watson believed "you should not discriminate on the basis of colour" by quoting him as having said

“ there are many people of colour who are very talented, but don’t promote them when they haven’t succeeded at the lower level.[48] ”

Watson was then attributed as having written

“ there is no firm reason to anticipate that the intellectual capacities of peoples geographically separated in their evolution should prove to have evolved identically. Our wanting to reserve equal powers of reason as some universal heritage of humanity will not be enough to make it so.[48] ”

The quotes attributed to him drew attention and criticism from press in several countries and was widely discussed on CNN[49], the BBC[50], several papers[51], peers and by civil rights advocates.[52] The common perception was that of Watson claiming a link between race and intelligence with the BBC stating that "[Watson] claimed black people were less intelligent than white people".[50] In his book, the origin of the final written quote, Watson does not directly mention race as a factor in his hypothesized divergence of intellect between geographically isolated populations.[53]

On October 18, The Science Museum in London cancelled a talk that Watson was scheduled to give the following day,[50] stating that they believed Watson's comments had "gone beyond the point of acceptable debate." On the same day the Board of Trustees at Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory suspended Watson's administrative responsibilities, stating that

“ this action follows the Board’s public statement yesterday disagreeing with the comments attributed to Dr. Watson in the October 14, 2007 edition of The Sunday Times U.K.[54]
that they "vehemently disagree with...and are bewildered and saddened" by.[51]
 ”

Francis Collins, director of the National Human Genome Research Institute, a position inherited from Watson, said

“ I am deeply saddened by the events of the last week...in the aftermath of a racist statement...that was both profoundly offensive and utterly unsupported by scientific evidence.[51] ”

On October 19, Watson issued an apology, stating that he was "mortified" and "cannot understand how I could have said what I am quoted as having said."[55][56] He also claimed to

“ understand why people, reading those words, have reacted in the ways they have ... To all those who have drawn the inference from my words that Africa, as a continent, is somehow genetically inferior, I can only apologize unreservedly. That is not what I meant. More importantly from my point of view, there is no scientific basis for such a belief.[57] ”

Clarifying his position further, Watson explained

“ I have always fiercely defended the position that we should base our view of the world on the state of our knowledge, on fact, and not on what we would like it to be. This is why genetics is so important. For it will lead us to answers to many of the big and difficult questions that have troubled people for hundreds, if not thousands, of years.
...Since 1978, when a pail of water was dumped over my Harvard friend E O Wilson for saying that genes influence human behaviour, the assault against human behavioural genetics by wishful thinking has remained vigorous.

But irrationality must soon recede ... science is not here to make us feel good. It is to answer questions in the service of knowledge and greater understanding.

...We do not yet adequately understand the way in which the different environments in the world have selected over time the genes which determine our capacity to do different things. The overwhelming desire of society today is to assume that equal powers of reason are a universal heritage of humanity. It may well be. But simply wanting this to be the case is not enough. This is not science.

To question this is not to give in to racism. This is not a discussion about superiority or inferiority, it is about seeking to understand differences, about why some of us are great musicians and others great engineers.[56][57]
 ”

Despite Watson's expressed belief in the importance of scientific inquiry into the relationship between heredity and intelligence, a number of news sources reported that Watson was "retracting" his earlier statements on this topic. For example, the journal Nature reported

“ Watson has apologized and retracted the outburst... He acknowledged that there is no evidence for what he claimed about racial differences in intelligence.[58] ”

Nature went on to say that the controversy and cancellations potentially could suppress scientific inquiry by geneticists who are studying the differences between different human population groups.[58] Medical Hypotheses (not peer-reviewed) went further, saying that "The unjustified ill treatment meted out to Watson therefore requires setting the record straight about the current state of the evidence on intelligence, race, and genetics.", and summarised evidence that apparently supports his position, declaring "These are facts, not opinions and science must be governed by data. There is no place for the “moralistic fallacy” that reality must conform to our social, political, or ethical desires."[59]

Despite the apology and subsequent attempt to clarify his position the controversy continued. He returned to the US and Cold Spring Harbor on the 19th October putting his further engagements in doubt. The University of Edinburgh formally retracted an invitation to the "DNA, Dolly and Other Dangerous Ideas: The Destiny of 21st Century Science" Enlightenment Lecture on October 22.[60]

Watson resigned from Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory on October 25.[49][61] Watson cited reasons for his retirement other than the controversy, though did refer to it.

“ Closer now to 80 than 79, the passing on of my remaining vestiges of leadership is more than overdue. The circumstances in which this transfer is occurring, however, are not those which I could ever have anticipated or desired.[62] ”

On December 9, 2007, a Sunday Times article[63] reported a claim by deCODE Genetics that 16% of Watson's DNA is of African origin and 9% is of Asian origin. deCODE's methods were not reported and details of the analysis were not published. According to deCODE's Kari Stefansson, the analysis relied on an error-ridden version of Watson's full genome sequence, and Stefansson "doubts [. . .] whether the 16 percent figure will hold up"[64] In 2008 Watson was interviewed by Henry Louis Gates regarding his views on race, intelligence, and other controversial subjects.[65]

In 2006 during an interview with Charlie Rose and E. O. Wilson, Watson stated that some people want to believe that evolution stopped 100,000 years ago. He stated that he did not agree with this view and that human differences are not trivial.[66]

IQ by country; look at the distribution...



The most difficult fields usually have much lower percentages of blacks working in them; I can't think of one prominent black person in my field, all Asians and Whites...

BUT....I don't care and it has no bearing on my life...

It has no bearing on your life because you are white..but minorities have to live with the negative consequences of being stereotyped everyday....

However, this is an excellent post....very good reference..thanks for posting it..it was a very interesting read....I want to refute some of this stuff but I guess the article speaks for itself....people will look at it and pull from it what they want to believe....

[Soul Crusher]

cool!!!!

Im trying to leave.   

My business keeps me here. 

[OzmO]

Fact=there are racial differences.

Fact=who cares?

Fact=you should all get on with your lives.

Facts.

[Deicide]

It has no bearing on your life because you are white..but minorities have to live with the negative consequences of being stereotyped everyday....

However, this is an excellent post....very good reference..thanks for posting it..it was a very interesting read....I want to refute some of this stuff but I guess the article speaks for itself....people will look at it and pull from it what they want to believe....

Does it matter though if you are black? Not really, you are an individual and you can do the best you can. I will never have a great physique nor an extraordinarily bright mind but I do what I can with what the gods have given me.

[Soul Crusher]

Does it matter though if you are black? Not really, you are an individual and you can do the best you can. I will never have a great physique not an extraordinarily bright mind but I do what I can with what the gods have given me.

Do the best you can with what you have.  If you do that, you will be better than 90% of all people of all races. 

[Stormspirit]

Are you religious or something or is there some reason you always put my name in quotes?

don't you mean apostrophes?  take an English class.  no i'm agnostic

MattC is likely no genius, at least very little evidence to suggest that. Probably very average intellect but good lifts.

matt c is a genius, extremely successful and mensa level top 1 percentile IQ.  agree on the lifts, matt c is a strong bastard, lb for lb one of if not the strongest guy/s here.

Sacrificing his life? LOL. Right. Some guy living in the Canadian boon docks obsessed with race is sacrificing his life, uhm, no.

yes while other people are our partying and having fun matt c is fighting for our future

Maybe if I weren't an expat I would care more about this stuff, that said, it has no bearing on my life.

yes, you have no loyalty to anyone or anything, you are a nomad.

That said, it's true that there are differences in intelligence, physiology, etc...I just don't think they're worth obsessing about, like I said, life is too short.

agreed. exactly why matt c should be commended for sacrificing his life for us bitches

[Deicide]

don't you mean apostrophes?  take an English class.  no i'm agnostic
matt c is a genius, extremely successful and mensa level top 1 percentile IQ.  agree on the lifts, matt c is a strong bastard, lb for lb one of if not the strongest guy/s here.
yes while other people are our partying and having fun matt c is fighting for our futureyes, you have no loyalty to anyone or anything, you are a nomad.agreed. exactly why matt c should be commended for sacrificing his life for us bitches

Sorry, need glasses. It's just a bbing message board, chill out.  Your spelling is off as well, but who cares? I don't understand your hostility towards me but anyway.

Dude, this is getbig, chances that there are mensa level geniuses running round here are up there with the chances of winning the lotto. What has he done that is so fantastic? I repeat: obsessing over race on an internet message board is 'sacrificing your life'=not a good example.

I don't have any friends that only party; I don't. We just concentrate on more important things that obsessing over race.

I am a nomad BUT I do have loyalty. I am very loyal to my friends and those I care about but race is an irrelevant factor and I am also loyal to my basic moral code, once again, has nothing to race. Sure, there are differences in race but there are differences everywhere in everyone and it is a waste of time to obsess over it. You, Matt and I will be dead soon enough, just enjoy life and in your case, your youth as well. It's over pretty fast.

[shootfighter1]

Jag, I know that there is widespread racism in many cultures throughout history but your right, it seems that it has escalated and persisted longer in the US.  For many reasons, its hard for people to get past.
IMO, putting people into catagories, and treating people differently based on color fuels racist attitudes and resentment.  Thats what Affirmative action does, thats also what the far left white liberals do.  When people come together, are all treated equally and become more similar culturally, we have less feelings of being part of a particular racial group.
Anything that continues different treatment for a certain segment of the population based on race will impair a goal of a color blind society.

[Deicide]

Jag, I know that there is widespread racism in many cultures throughout history but your right, it seems that it has escalated and persisted longer in the US.  For many reasons, its hard for people to get past.
IMO, putting people into catagories, and treating people differently based on color fuels racist attitudes and resentment.  Thats what Affirmative action does, thats also what the far left white liberals do.  When people come together, are all treated equally and become more similar culturally, we have less feelings of being part of a particular racial group.
Anything that continues different treatment for a certain segment of the population based on race will impair a goal of a color blind society.

Jaguar is a communist. No point trying to talk libertarian sense to her...

[Soul Crusher]

Jag, I know that there is widespread racism in many cultures throughout history but your right, it seems that it has escalated and persisted longer in the US.  For many reasons, its hard for people to get past.
IMO, putting people into catagories, and treating people differently based on color fuels racist attitudes and resentment.  Thats what Affirmative action does, thats also what the far left white liberals do.  When people come together, are all treated equally and become more similar culturally, we have less feelings of being part of a particular racial group.
Anything that continues different treatment for a certain segment of the population based on race will impair a goal of a color blind society.

Liberals dont want a color blind society. 

They want an unending gripe, grievance, and chip on their shoulder to blame on past history as a way to explain their own pathetic miserable lives.

[IFBBwannaB]

Liberals dont want a color blind society. 

They want an unending gripe, grievance, and chip on their shoulder to blame on past history as a way to explain their own pathetic miserable lives.

Exactly.

Funny how she blame the White man for making her a useless piece of shit yet claim to be the best thing since free streaming website porn 

[andreisdaman]

Im trying to leave.   

My business keeps me here. 

why are you trying to leave??...and what business do you have?

[Al Doggity]

Hey, Deicide, I love how you kept stating that racial differences were a fact but you didn't care about them until someone finally challenged you to prove it. COMEDY GOLD! 

However, no matter how credentialed James Watson may be, he was still using "sloppy statistics".
Malcolm Gladwell, probably the most well-known sociologist working today (who, also happens to be of mixed ancestry), wrote an interesting piece detailing misconceptions on race and IQ for The New Yorker a while back. Part of the article took on the IQ by country myth:

The psychologist Michael Cole and some colleagues once gave members of the Kpelle tribe, in Liberia, a version of the WISC similarities test: they took a basket of food, tools, containers, and clothing and asked the tribesmen to sort them into appropriate categories. To the frustration of the researchers, the Kpelle chose functional pairings. They put a potato and a knife together because a knife is used to cut a potato. “A wise man could only do such-and-such,” they explained. Finally, the researchers asked, “How would a fool do it?” The tribesmen immediately re-sorted the items into the “right” categories. It can be argued that taxonomical categories are a developmental improvement—that is, that the Kpelle would be more likely to advance, technologically and scientifically, if they started to see the world that way. But to label them less intelligent than Westerners, on the basis of their performance on that test, is merely to state that they have different cognitive preferences and habits. And if I.Q. varies with habits of mind, which can be adopted or discarded in a generation, what, exactly, is all the fuss about?

The article( which can be found here: http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/books/2007/12/17/071217crbo_books_gladwell?currentPage=3)
also addresses the concept of the hyper-intelligent asian, a myth that you also advanced in your post. I'm not going to waste anymore space on pull quotes. Read it if you're interested.

I think your post shows the dangers of freely talking about race as it relates to other parts of life. Not that it shouldn't be done, but that usually when it is done, each side comes to the table with so many (mis)conceptions that there is little hope of achieving anything aside from a 7+ pages long argument.