Anti-white workplace brainwashing.

[Deicide]

exactly my point.....and who do you think was in charge and setting the rules 100,000 years ago???

No one was/is in charge. These terms are meaningless. The rules came about as a result of natural selection and evolution. We simply follow our instincts. There was no 'creation process' involved. I see you are too close minded to read the book I recommended to you. If you did you would see how much is wrong about feminism and what it purports.

[pillowtalk]

well..pillow you make my point......just how long have these black african countires been governed by their own people?...not that long...maybe not even 60 years.....

1)SO WHAT HAPPENED IN AFRICA DURING THE THOUSANDS OF YEARS BEFORE
WHITES GOT THERE ??

2)Ok, S.Africa ??

Let 'NM' out of prison, abolish apartheid,  give the 'ANC' control & the country........

& it goes to shit !!  

Crime is out of control, South Africa has the highest levels of - murder/burglary-rape/car jacking, etc - in the world - WTF ??

[kcballer]

And compare it to the list of men.

I think you should say - compare it to a list of men who faced and still face discrimination because of their gender. 

[24KT]

Dominance Hierarchy forces men to compete against each other for the attention of women whereby some men in their strivings rise to the absolute top and others get pushed to the bottom. There is no such Dominance Hierarchy with women whose assets are not found in achievements but youth, beauty and fertility. Thus the reason why women in most positions tend to perform in a mediocre manner compared to men. That doesn't make sense?

Beach is talking about intelligence, ...and you're talking about mating rituals?  

[Al Doggity]

This has been shown to be a fabrication, just as the wage gap has been shown to be. Women even now, naturally gravitate towards jobs which are more social in nature because women ARE more social and tend to work fewer hours out of CHOICE. There have been numerous studies done on this. Men and women are different in their approaches to things. This is a consequence of evolution.

I highly recommend this book if you are openminded:

Great. More "new" science.


I have a feeling that that "wage gap" comment may have been directed at me. If so, let's make it clear that I never said there was a wage gap. I said there was a "glass ceiling." Two diff things.

I am in advertising and used to analyze demographics full time. The wage gap among college grads was always attributable to a lot of variables. One of the notable things about that gap is that even though women do consistently work fewer hours, the percentage gap has closed by nearly 30% over the last 20 years. This is almost entirely due to women moving into higher paying fields traditionally dominated by men.

[Al Doggity]

I think you should say - compare it to a list of men who faced and still face discrimination because of their gender. 

Yeah, it's been posted several times but you can't remove actual history from history.

[Dos Equis]

Here is a timeline showing women in space:

Women in Space - Timeline
A Chronology of Women Astronauts, Cosmonauts, and Other Space Pioneers
By Jone Johnson Lewis, About.com
 
NASA Space Center
 1959 - Geraldine (Jerrie) Cobb passes tests for the Mercury astronaut training program

1963 - June - Valentina Tereshkova, cosmonaut from the USSR, becomes the first woman in space

1978 - Six women chosen as astronaut candidates by NASA: Rhea Seddon, Kathryn Sullivan, Judith Resnik, Sally Ride, Anna Fisher and Shannon Lucid

1983 - June - Sally Ride, American astronaut, becomes the first American woman in space

1984 - July - Svetlana Savitskaya, USSR cosmonaut, becomes first woman to walk in space

1984 - October - Kathryn Sullivan, American astronaut, becomes first American woman to walk in space

1984 - August - Anna Fisher becomes the first person to retrieve a malfunctioning satellite, using the orbiter remote manipulator arm

1992 - May - Kathy Thornton, the second woman to walk in space, holds record for longest space walk by a woman as of 2002

1992 - June/July - Bonnie Dunbar and Ellen Baker are among the first American crew to dock with the Russian space station

1992 - September - Mae Jemison becomes first African American woman in space

1993 - April - Ellen Ochoa becomes first Hispanic American woman in space

1994 - July - Chiaki Mukai becomes the first Japanese woman in space

1995 - February - Eileen Collins becomes first woman to pilot a space shuttle

1996 - September - Shannon Lucid returns from her six months on Mir, the Russian space station, with a record for the time in space for women and for Americans -- she is also the first woman to be awarded the Congressional Space Medal of Honor

1998 - May - Nearly 2/3 of the flight control team for STS-95 were women, including the launch commentator, Lisa Malone, the ascent commentator, Eileen Hawley, the flight directory, Linda Harm, and the communicator between crew and mission control, Susan Still

1998 - December - Nancy Currie completes the first task in assembling the International Space Station

1999 - July - Eileen Collins becomes the first woman to command a space shuttle

http://womenshistory.about.com/od/aviationspace/a/timeline_space.htm

[24KT]

It's sort of a crappy case, though. You're discounting the impact simply being female would have had in allowing women to even gain a foothold in these fields throughout most of history. Today, here in America, you can maybe make the argument that we are largely a merit-based society. I wouldn't make that claim, but it is closer to true now than at any time in history. Patronage and money played enormous roles in all the fields you listed, so a dearth of women practicing in those professions was to be completely expected.

Add to this the fact that women are often required to postpone their careers for childbirth & child rearing.
Something not required of men. 30 years of continuous career advancement provides a tremendous advancement over those whose careers progress in fits and starts with notably lengthy periods of inactivity. Deicide needs to get a clue.

...maybe if he got laid more often, he'd be more aware of the reality of childbirth and how it can impede a woman's career progress.

[Dos Equis]

Here is an article talking about female CEOs at Fortune 500 companies:

Women CEOs slowly gain on Corporate America
Updated 1/2/2009 5:00 AM | Comments 55  | Recommend 7  E-mail | Save | Print | Reprints & Permissions |   
 
By Del Jones, USA TODAY

Ellen Kullman replaced Chad Holliday at DuPont (DD) Thursday to start 2009, which brings to 13 the number of female CEOs running the USA's largest 500 publicly traded companies.

That's a record. But it's only one more than last year, a year when Hillary Rodham Clinton and Sarah Palin missed becoming the first female president and vice president, and a year when frustration continued to mount on the corporate side over the plodding progress of women.

It's not just that the number of female CEOs is barely inching up. Women now receive about six in 10 college degrees, yet near the top there remains slow progress in the number of female directors, officers, highest paid — and women in the pipeline, according to research by Catalyst, Corporate Library and others.

USA TODAY has tracked the stock performance of female CEOs in the Fortune 500 for years. The annual examination began in 2003, when female CEOs so out-performed men, and again in 2004, that it looked like there might be something to the gender advantage, or at least something to the theory that the glass ceiling was so difficult to crack that the women who made it to the top were more talented than their male counterparts.
 
. . . .

http://www.usatoday.com/money/companies/management/2009-01-01-women-ceos-increase_N.htm

[Deicide]

Beach is talking about intelligence, ...and you're talking about mating rituals?  

That Ms. 160 IQ is the sole purpose of why we are here, as far as evolution is concerned.

Intelligence is merely a means to place oneself higher up in the DH. Achievements brought about through intelligence serve to elevate on in the DH, thus higher mate selection status, akin to wealth. Everything is essentially about the propagation of DNA.

[Dos Equis]

The following colleges (among others) have female presidents:

Brown
Harvard
Princeton
U Penn
MIT
Barnard College
Hunter College
Creighton
Syracuse
Colgate
Mills
University of California - San Diego
University of San Diego
Cal State Northridge

http://newsonwomen.typepad.com/news_on_women/2008/11/women-college-p.html

[Deicide]

Add to this the fact that women are often required to postpone their careers for childbirth & child rearing.
Something not required of men. 30 years of continuous career advancement provides a tremendous advancement over those whose careers progress in fits and starts with notably lengthy periods of inactivity. Deicide needs to get a clue.

...maybe if he got laid more often, he'd be more aware of the reality of childbirth and how it can impede a woman's career progress.

Says the Communist Female 160 IQ who is herself childless. You would appear to be just as 'clueless' as I am on this issue.

No one is going to argue against the issue of child birth and child rearing. That is the way nature is and not subject to cultural dissection. You cannot rail against the facts. Yet it is people like you and others that argue that men and women are identical. Identical? Strange...

[24KT]

Your argument sounds rational but you're forgetting that the reason why women have not been chemists, physicists, etc is because for generations men (especially white men) pushed women into occupations which THEY felt women were most suited for.....such as nurses, teachers, etc...women were discriminated against when they wanted to go into medicine (as doctors), or into other male dominated fields because society told them that if they did it would not be feminine to do so, or they could not compete with men in those fields......40 years ago there were few women doctors and it was not uncommon for men not to want treatment from a woman doctor....had women been allowed to become physicists, mathematicians, etc..then their sheer numbers and increased presence in those professions would have produced many more female nobel prize winners in those fields by now

[24KT]

I think you should say - compare it to a list of men who faced and still face discrimination because of their gender. 

Another interesting comparison would be how many of those Nobel Laureates have children?

[Deicide]

Another interesting comparison would be how many of those Nobel Laureates have children?

Do you have children?

[Dos Equis]

There are more women in college than men (2005 article):

College gender gap widens: 57% are women
By Mary Beth Marklein, USA TODAY

In May, the Minnesota Office of Higher Education posted the inevitable culmination of a trend: Last year for the first time, women earned more than half the degrees granted statewide in every category, be it associate, bachelor, master, doctoral or professional.
 
Women currently make up 57% of all college students. 
By Alison Redlich, The Burlington Free Press

Cause for celebration — or for concern?

Before you answer, consider the perspective of Jim McCorkell, founder of Admission Possible, a St. Paul program to help low-income high school kids prepare for college. Last year, 30% of the students were boys. This fall, that has inched up to 34%, but only because "we actually did a little affirmative action," McCorkell says. "If we had a tie (between a male and a female applicant), we gave it to a boy."

As women march forward, more boys seem to be falling by the wayside, McCorkell says. Not only do national statistics forecast a continued decline in the percentage of males on college campuses, but the drops are seen in all races, income groups and fields of study, says policy analyst Thomas Mortenson, publisher of the influential Postsecondary Education Opportunity newsletter in Oskaloosa, Iowa. Since 1995, he has been tracking — and sounding the alarm about — the dwindling presence of men in colleges.

. . . .

http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2005-10-19-male-college-cover_x.htm

[Deicide]

There are more women in college than men (2005 article):

College gender gap widens: 57% are women
By Mary Beth Marklein, USA TODAY

In May, the Minnesota Office of Higher Education posted the inevitable culmination of a trend: Last year for the first time, women earned more than half the degrees granted statewide in every category, be it associate, bachelor, master, doctoral or professional.
 
Women currently make up 57% of all college students. 
By Alison Redlich, The Burlington Free Press

Cause for celebration — or for concern?

Before you answer, consider the perspective of Jim McCorkell, founder of Admission Possible, a St. Paul program to help low-income high school kids prepare for college. Last year, 30% of the students were boys. This fall, that has inched up to 34%, but only because "we actually did a little affirmative action," McCorkell says. "If we had a tie (between a male and a female applicant), we gave it to a boy."

As women march forward, more boys seem to be falling by the wayside, McCorkell says. Not only do national statistics forecast a continued decline in the percentage of males on college campuses, but the drops are seen in all races, income groups and fields of study, says policy analyst Thomas Mortenson, publisher of the influential Postsecondary Education Opportunity newsletter in Oskaloosa, Iowa. Since 1995, he has been tracking — and sounding the alarm about — the dwindling presence of men in colleges.

. . . .

http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2005-10-19-male-college-cover_x.htm

Do you think women are identical to men?

[Dos Equis]

Do you think women are identical to men?

Of course not.  But that wasn't the point.  You and apparently some others think women are genetically superior to men.  The facts don't support you.  My next post was going to be about women in graduate school, but I think I made my point.   

I can't believe I let myself get sucked into this. 

[Deicide]

Of course not.  But that wasn't the point.  You and apparently some others think women are genetically superior to men.  The facts don't support you.  My next post was going to be about women in graduate school, but I think I made my point.   

I can't believe I let myself get sucked into this. 

Different, not superior. Men are more violent and less nuturing. Women are 'superior' to men in this respect. Your lists just prove what I have been saying. Women fill out the middle with men tending to fill out the very bottom or the very top: the GREATEST scientists, poets, artists, mathematicians, etc. were all men and will always be men.

[24KT]

Do you have children?

Whether I have children is irrelevant to the premise I proposed. my point is women who forego having families often progress further & faster in their careers than those who do not, because of the extra burden children give to women in society as opposed to men. Men with children are often free to advance their careers because their wives often bear the lionshare of child rearing. That was my point.

[Deicide]

Whether I have children is irrelevant to the premise I proposed. my point is women who forego having families often progress further & faster in their careers than those who do not, because of the extra burden children give to women in society as opposed to men. Men with children are often free to advance their careers because their wives often bear the lionshare of child rearing. That was my point.

Well, you don't have a clue about birthing a child. You said I didn't have a clue; neither do you.

Yeah, and men put in 60 hour work weeks to support their families. What is your point?, they do different things.

[Dos Equis]

Different, not superior. Men are more violent and less nuturing. Women are 'superior' to men in this respect. Your lists just prove what I have been saying. Women fill out the middle with men tending to fill out the very bottom or the very top: the GREATEST scientists, poets, artists, mathematicians, etc. were all men and will always be men.

Poppycock.  You said men have higher IQs then women:

Men do have an average of 5 more IQ points than women.

Then you claimed women can't compete in chemistry, physics, math, etc.:

All examples of positions requiring social skills, which women have more of and are superior in. Where are the Nobel Prize winning chemists, physicists, mathematicians? The legendary writers? The artists? I rest my case. I am not talking about public office here.

I then gave you a list of Nobel Prize winners, astronauts, CEOs, college presidents, and college student statistics.  

Now you're saying men are the "greatest"??  Sorry.  Doesn't fly.  

One thing that men do a whole lot better than women is commit crime.        

[Deicide]

Poppycock.  You said men have higher IQs then women:


Then you claimed women can't compete in chemistry, physics, math, etc.:


I then gave you a list of Nobel Prize winners, astronauts, CEOs, college presidents, and college student statistics.  

Now you're saying men are the "greatest"??  Sorry.  Doesn't fly.  

One thing that men do a whole lot better than women is commit crime.         

Ah, I see you hate your own gender. Do you really believe that statement?

[Dos Equis]

Ah, I see you hate your own gender. Do you really believe that statement?

lol.  Nice try.  You hate women Deicide.  That's patently obvious by your comments on this board.

What I made was a factual statement.  Men commit the overwhelming majority of crime in this country.  You deny this? 

[andreisdaman]

1)SO WHAT HAPPENED IN AFRICA DURING THE THOUSANDS OF YEARS BEFORE
WHITES GOT THERE ??

2)Ok, S.Africa ??

Let 'NM' out of prison, abolish apartheid,  give the 'ANC' control & the country........

& it goes to shit !!  

Crime is out of control, South Africa has the highest levels of - murder/burglary-rape/car jacking, etc - in the world - WTF ??

no...not true.....at least not the way you are putting it......yes does South Africa have crime?..sure.....but to say that South Africa went to shit after white rule was discontinued is not really scientific.......

South Africa was ruled by a brutal dictatorship which murdered many blacks and forced them to live in shanty towns far from the cities in poverty....they had a brutal networlk of secret police to enforce it's rule......of course once a brutal, ruthless regime gives up power, the population experiences a surge in lawlessness.....

This happened in Russia when the communists were thrown out....Russia descended into crime, anarchy, and choas for a while with lots of murder, poverty, and prostitution....so did Iraq after Saddham Hussein.....If you look at the newly- formed democracies of Eastern Europe, you will see increased levels of lawlessness and open prostitution...stuff you would never have seen during the communist dictatorships of the past...many Europeans that I know are dismayed at this as well....

How many black people are in Russia?....How many are in Iraq?....How many are in Europe?......did those countries slip into increased lawlessness due to black people?.....

your points always sounds good on the surface but upon further examination and refutation, they inevitably fall apart because you  so much want to find fault with black people that you stretch your theories beyond believability and credulity...

again..open your mind and stop trying to blame blacks for everything......you are eating yourself alive with hate and driving yourself crazy!

and I know you will do as you always do....you won't acknowledge that any of my points have some truth to them and you will come up with another set of arguments that will again inevitably be flawed as well