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Scholarship Students & Obama Voters Slam Obama; “Why, Please Tell Me Why… You Are Allowing My Scholarships to be Taken Away.”
Posted on 05 May 2009by admin (11)Quick Take: Scholarship Students Nail Obama

In this “must see” video by Reason TV, recipients of the DC Opportunity Scholarships — Obama supporters, mind you — directly ask the president why he is allowing their scholarships to be taken away.

Working with congressional Democrats and despite his pledge to put politics and ideology aside in education, the Obama administration has effectively killed the program through a backdoor legislative move. “[Education] Secretary [Arne] Duncan will use only one test in what ideas to support with your precious tax dollars,” says the president. “It’s not whether it’s liberal or conservative, but whether it works.”

That sort of doublespeak has left many Obama supporters not just puzzled but outraged. Certainly Mercedes and family are.

VIDEO AT LINK

http://www.butasforme.com/2009/05/05/scholarship-students-nail-obama/



Come on 240 and TA - respond to this.



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The video on this is very good to tell you all you need to know about this issue.

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were they already promised the scholarships?  that sucks big time.  same shit happened to me senior year.  guidance counselor missed dotting an I and I lost my free 4 years of florida tuition.  boy i was pissed.

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were they already promised the scholarships?  that sucks big time.  same shit happened to me senior year.  guidance counselor missed dotting an I and I lost my free 4 years of florida tuition.  boy i was pissed.

I would have beat that person merciless.

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You are a little late on this one.

Obama already fixed this:


WASHINGTON (AP) - Education Secretary Arne Duncan said Wednesday that poor children getting vouchers to attend private schools in the District of Columbia should be allowed to stay there, putting the Obama administration at odds with Democrats trying to end the program.
Duncan opposes vouchers, he said in an interview with The Associated Press. But he said Washington is a special case, and kids already in private schools on the public dime should be allowed to continue.
"I don't think it makes sense to take kids out of a school where they're happy and safe and satisfied and learning," Duncan told said. "I think those kids need to stay in their school."


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You are a little late on this one.

Obama already fixed this:


WASHINGTON (AP) - Education Secretary Arne Duncan said Wednesday that poor children getting vouchers to attend private schools in the District of Columbia should be allowed to stay there, putting the Obama administration at odds with Democrats trying to end the program.
Duncan opposes vouchers, he said in an interview with The Associated Press. But he said Washington is a special case, and kids already in private schools on the public dime should be allowed to continue.
"I don't think it makes sense to take kids out of a school where they're happy and safe and satisfied and learning," Duncan told said. "I think those kids need to stay in their school."



More word games from TA.  AS USUAL.

They are ending the program for future students.  Letting the current students continue is one thing.  However, they are ending to the program for future students. 

The only reason the RATS are doing this is because is exposes the big lie of the govt and the teacher's unions that the public schools need more money to produce a better result. 
 

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March 11, 2009 5:07 PM
White House Says Obama Will Not Allow D.C. School Vouchers To Expire
Posted by Michelle Levi |   4


White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs insinuated today that President Obama will reverse a provision in the omnibus spending bill to terminate school vouchers for underprivileged students in Washington, D.C.


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The president signed the $410 billion dollar omnibus spending bill for fiscal year 2009 this afternoon. It includes a provision that lets funding for the city’s school voucher program to expire at the end of the 2010 school year. The program allows about 1,700 mostly low-income and minority students to attend private schools as an alterative to the struggling D.C. public school system.

“It wouldn't make sense to disrupt the education of those that are in that system,” Gibbs said in discussing the president’s thinking. “And I think we'll work with Congress to ensure that a disruption like that doesn't take place.”

Asked if President Obama plans to restore the program’s funding in his full budget, which is currently being drafted, Gibbs said, “whether it's in the budget or in the -- the appropriations process,” the administration will work to make sure “that disruption doesn't take place.”

Gibbs also said that the voucher program, which benefits students attending his daughter’s private school, is not a long term solution to the problem of subpar city schools.

“The president doesn't believe that vouchers are a long-term answer to our educational problems and the challenges that face our public school system, where the vast majority of -- of students are educated in this country,” he said.

The Senate voted 50 to 39 Tuesday to reject a Republican-sponsored amendment to the spending bill which would have extended the voucher program beyond the 2009-2010 school year.

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FROM YOUR POST:

"It includes a provision that lets funding for the city’s school voucher program to expire at the end of the 2010 school year."

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"The Senate voted 50 to 39 Tuesday to reject a Republican-sponsored amendment to the spending bill which would have extended the voucher program beyond the 2009-2010 school year."


What does that tell you TA??????

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I find this interesting.

Americans United for Separation of Church and State today praised the U.S. Senate for refusing to provide funding indefinitely for a controversial private school voucher plan in Washington, D.C.

Americans United asserts that the program, initially funded as a five-year experiment, serves mainly to funnel tax money to religious schools and has not raised student achievement.


“D.C.’s voucher experiment, cooked up in the laboratories of the far right, has failed,” declared the Rev. Barry W. Lynn, executive director of Americans United. “The Senate did the responsible thing in taking the first steps toward ending this program.”

The federally funded voucher plan was foisted on the District of Columbia by private school advocates in the Bush administration in 2004. The House of Representatives recently approved an omnibus spending bill that included language winding down the pilot program over the next year unless certain steps are taken. Those steps would include congressional reauthorization of funding and approval by the District of Columbia City Council.

It is widely believed that these conditions would be difficult to meet, with the result that the program would end. 

U.S. Sen. John Ensign (R-Nev.) put forward Amendment 615 to the 2009 Omnibus Appropriations Bill (H.R. 1105) that would have stripped this language from the bill. 

The Ensign amendment faced a vote today and failed by a tally of 58-39.

Lynn noted that voters have repeatedly rejected ballot referenda at the ballot box. Public opinion polls also show that Americans prefer other options to spur education reform.

“The public wants strong, well-funded public schools,” Lynn said. “Vouchers are a distraction from reaching that goal.”


On March 3, Americans United sent a letter to every senator, urging them to vote against Ensign’s amendment.

“Senator Ensign’s amendment would open the door to the indefinite funding of the expired D.C. voucher program even though it has been proven ineffective, would harm civil rights and civil liberties, and would strip necessary accountability standards needed to fix identified problems that exist in the current program,” asserted the letter.

Americans United noted that reports issued by the U.S. Department of Education in 2007 and 2008 show that the academic achievement of D.C voucher students is no better than that of students attending D.C. public schools. A November 2007 report by the General Accounting Office also criticized the program, finding that “accountability and internal control were inadequate.”

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FROM YOUR POST:

"It includes a provision that lets funding for the city’s school voucher program to expire at the end of the 2010 school year."

&

"The Senate voted 50 to 39 Tuesday to reject a Republican-sponsored amendment to the spending bill which would have extended the voucher program beyond the 2009-2010 school year."


What does that tell you TA??????
I personally do not think Federal Money should go to ANY Religious Based School Ever.

With that said, this program can be reauthorized by Congress and the D.C. City Council. The Senate is scheduled to hold hearings on the program this month, and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid has promised proponents floor time to make their case

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Re: 240 & TA - PLEASE RESPOND TO THIS. Obama & the DC Voucher Program
« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2009, 03:30:31 PM »
Republican Olympia Snowe voted against it.


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Re: 240 & TA - PLEASE RESPOND TO THIS. Obama & the DC Voucher Program
« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2009, 03:33:58 PM »
It is a huge Separation of Church and State issue.  Federal money should NEVER be given to Religious Organizations.

I would only support Vouchers if they went to Non-Religious affiliated schools.

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Re: 240 & TA - PLEASE RESPOND TO THIS. Obama & the DC Voucher Program
« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2009, 03:34:35 PM »
She is a RINO statist like the rest of the bums in the Senate. 

She does not speak for me. 

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Re: 240 & TA - PLEASE RESPOND TO THIS. Obama & the DC Voucher Program
« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2009, 03:35:23 PM »
I hope you feel the same way ever 4 years when campaign money is used to pimp the black churches for Dem candidates.

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Re: 240 & TA - PLEASE RESPOND TO THIS. Obama & the DC Voucher Program
« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2009, 03:36:35 PM »
I hope you feel the same way ever 4 years when campaign money is used to pimp the black churches for Dem candidates.
Look, School Vouchers are entirely the creation of the Religious Right looking for tax aid and funding from the Federal Government.  Government money should NEVER be used to promote any religion.



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Re: 240 & TA - PLEASE RESPOND TO THIS. Obama & the DC Voucher Program
« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2009, 03:39:25 PM »
Look, School Vouchers are entirely the creation of the Religious Right looking for tax aid and funding from the Federal Government.  Government money should NEVER be used to promote any religion.

That may be true, however, the govt monpoly on public education has clearly produced horrible results at a terribly high cost. 

We pay more per student than most other nations with a sub-par result.  Why do you think that is?

And please dont give me class size or teacher pay as the answer as those are clearly union slogans meant to get more $$$$ from the taxpayer. 

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Re: 240 & TA - PLEASE RESPOND TO THIS. Obama & the DC Voucher Program
« Reply #16 on: May 05, 2009, 03:43:15 PM »
That may be true, however, the govt monpoly on public education has clearly produced horrible results at a terribly high cost. 

We pay more per student than most other nations with a sub-par result.  Why do you think that is?

And please dont give me class size or teacher pay as the answer as those are clearly union slogans meant to get more $$$$ from the taxpayer. 
The quality of teachers is poor due to lack of merit based pay by teacher Unions.  Obama is Taking on the Teacher Unions right now.  Check it out.

Obama takes on teachers' unions

By JONATHAN MARTIN | 3/10/09 5:59 AM EDT  Updated: 3/10/09 1:28 PM EDT    Text Size:   


After weeks of pleasing Democrats by overturning policies set by the previous administration, President Barack Obama Tuesday for the first time confronted a powerful constituency in his own party: teachers’ unions.

Obama proposed spending additional money on effective teachers in up to 150 additional school districts, fulfilling a campaign promise that once earned him boos from members of the National Education Association.

“Good teachers will be rewarded with more money for improved student achievement, and asked to accept more responsibilities for lifting up their schools,” he said in a wide-ranging education speech before a meeting of the U.S. Hispanic Chamber of Commerce in Washington.

Obama’s embrace of merit pay won’t go over well among a group that often provides key funding and foot soldiers for Democratic campaigns.

Teachers’ unions say merit pay causes teachers to compete against each other, rather than collaborate, and is unfair to those who work in disadvantaged areas where it can be harder to boost student performance.

But polls show the policy is overwhelmingly supported by the public, and it offers Obama a chance both to burnish his reformer credentials and point to a split from party orthodoxy.

In addition to rewarding good teachers, Obama also said he’ll seek to push out those who aren’t getting results, another proposal that may rankle a profession that prizes tenure.

“Let me be clear: if a teacher is given a chance, or two chances, or three chances, and still does not improve, there is no excuse for that person to continue teaching,” he told the business group. “I reject a system that rewards failure and protects a person from its consequences. The stakes are too high. We can afford nothing but the best when it comes to our children’s teachers and to the schools where they teach.”

The White House didn’t specify how the president would like to see poor-performing teachers removed from the classroom.

Obama did lavish praise on the profession – going off script at one point to note that his sister is a teacher – but his remarks offered as much tough love.
Gone were such assurances from the campaign where he would frequently say of merit pay: “I’m not going to do it to you, I’m going to do it with you.”

Instead, Obama confronted the powerful bloc of his own party – one in ten delegates at the Democratic National Convention in 2004 belonged to teachers unions – with unambiguous language.

He said the country had let its “teacher quality fall short” and said reforms were needed as much as the additional funding the unions crave.

“It is time to start rewarding good teachers and stop making excuses for bad ones,” Obama declared.
It wasn’t just teachers, though, that came in for some tough talk. He seemed to also address students and parents in calling for consideration of expanding the school-year into the summer and adopting a calendar that many other industrialized nations already have.

“We can no longer afford an academic calendar designed when America was a nation of farmers who needed their children at home plowing the land at the end of each day,” Obama said. “That calendar may have once made sense, but today, it puts us at a competitive disadvantage.”

To students, the president warned them to not “even think about dropping out of school” and to parents he urged accountability and a recognition that the government “cannot turn off the TV or put away the video games.”

Notably, Obama said little about No Child Left Behind, the federal education standards set by President George W. Bush that are despised by teachers’ unions.

Obama railed against it during the campaign, where it was listed as the very first issue on his website’s education page.

On Tuesday, he only mentioned it only to say that later this year he would see that it “lives up to its name by ensuring not only that teachers and principals get the funding they need, but that the money is tied to results.”

In a move that may make the merit pay proposal more palatable for teachers’ unions, Obama did speak out against the current standardized tests so loathed by educators and promised funding for better data systems to track student progress.

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Re: 240 & TA - PLEASE RESPOND TO THIS. Obama & the DC Voucher Program
« Reply #17 on: May 05, 2009, 04:00:35 PM »
You can't pay people based on their productivity and merit. It is only logical to pay them based on the time they have been there.  ::)

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Re: 240 & TA - PLEASE RESPOND TO THIS. Obama & the DC Voucher Program
« Reply #18 on: May 05, 2009, 04:03:18 PM »
You can't pay people based on their productivity and merit. It is only logical to pay them based on the time they have been there.  ::)
Obama is ending that.  He was a professor of Constitutional Law at the University of Chicago from 1992 to 2004.  He knows a thing or two about the educational system.  ;)