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Screw clen!!
« on: May 05, 2009, 09:21:11 PM »
From now on I'm only using albuterol! I get it doctor prescribed and so far am experiencing exact clen like effects without the SIDES... don't know why anybody even bothers with clen anymore...the shakes, the cramps...screw that!

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Re: Screw clen!!
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2009, 10:02:38 PM »
Clen isn't great for your heart either. 

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Re: Screw clen!!
« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2009, 11:02:25 PM »
do you take the same dose as clen?

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« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2009, 12:34:52 AM »
do you take the same dose as clen?

Albuterol is dosed in mg's not mcgs, so no.

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« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2009, 12:43:48 AM »
i havent used either yet but out of the 2 which would be better for a beginer? i might be able to score albuteral from my sister that has asthma

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« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2009, 12:48:15 AM »
i havent used either yet but out of the 2 which would be better for a beginer? i might be able to score albuteral from my sister that has asthma

You sound like quite the winner.

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« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2009, 12:52:04 AM »
You sound like quite winner.

EQ boy, what do you mean by "the snakes"? sounds kinda gay bro...
WHAT ? your post made no sence

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« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2009, 12:54:11 AM »
WHAT ? your post made no sence

An albu scorer eye his sister's supply. EQ referring to "the snakes" as a condition.

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« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2009, 12:55:29 AM »
An albu scorer eye his sister's supply. EQ referring to "the snakes" as a condition.

Do you need a sketch? I can also come to your house to explain in person.


dude what the fuck are you trying to say?

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Re: Screw clen!!
« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2009, 01:02:29 AM »
Most people don't bother with albuterol because it requires a doctor's prescription.  No matter how easy it is/was for you to get it most doctors will not prescribe it unless you have a legit medical need for it.  Clen is cheap and accessible period. 

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« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2009, 01:08:20 AM »
dude what the fuck are you trying to say?

I give up.

I suggest you go in your bathroom, check ou the guy in the mirror and punch him until he falls down.
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« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2009, 08:28:23 AM »
Most people don't bother with albuterol because it requires a doctor's prescription.  No matter how easy it is/was for you to get it most doctors will not prescribe it unless you have a legit medical need for it.  Clen is cheap and accessible period. 

My doctor will prescribe anything, great guy.. I get all my gear from him, I have about 300  2mg albuterol tabs sitting in my kitchen right now :)

I think renessaince man was reffering to what I wrote were 'the SHAKES' as in uncontrollable clen shakes.

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Re: Screw clen!!
« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2009, 11:29:48 AM »
i havent used either yet but out of the 2 which would be better for a beginer? i might be able to score albuteral from my sister that has asthma

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Clenbuterol and Albuterol are completely different and albuterol wont work nearly as good.  Although Albuterol hits some of the same receptors, it is nothing like the clen.  I would just lower the dose of clen, and really gradually take it up 1/2 or 1 pill at a time.  Plus, the body becomes very immune to clen so 2 weeks on with eca in between.  A beginner will get better results especially with increased cardio, and a cut in carb calorie intake, cause it is foriegn to the body.
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Re: Screw clen!!
« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2009, 03:02:19 PM »
How do you run Ketotifen with albuterol?  From the beginning or after two weeks?  And is it just 1mg per day (if I remember correctly)?

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« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2009, 07:37:33 PM »
For shrek, my getbig stalker
Clenbuterol and Albuterol are completely different and albuterol wont work nearly as good.  Although Albuterol hits some of the same receptors, it is nothing like the clen.  I would just lower the dose of clen, and really gradually take it up 1/2 or 1 pill at a time.  Plus, the body becomes very immune to clen so 2 weeks on with eca in between.  A beginner will get better results especially with increased cardio, and a cut in carb calorie intake, cause it is foriegn to the body.


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« Reply #15 on: May 09, 2009, 03:41:55 AM »
How do you run Ketotifen with albuterol?  From the beginning or after two weeks?  And is it just 1mg per day (if I remember correctly)?


OK, I'm quoting myself to try again to get a response.  lol  How would I incorporate Ketotifen?

I got my doc to prescribe 4 mg Albuterol tabs.  Should I just take 4 tabs per day, spread out as he suggests?   

I've gone as high as 200mcg with Clen before, but I've never used Albuterol.  Clen definitley sucks.

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« Reply #16 on: May 09, 2009, 06:10:47 AM »
I like clen, strips off the fat and actually I feel my mood elevated when i take it.  I think the way it interacts with brain chemistry can cause certian people to feel good on it.  We are all wired different so it will feel diferent for everybody to some degree.

Some good gear and clen has me wanting to train my ass off.  If someone wants to use it but has been having strong sides from it, try to be calm and ramp up the dose slow.  Take a few days at each incremental dose for the body to aclimate.  And for God's sake know how much of it you are taking.  Drink lots of water on clen always.

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« Reply #17 on: May 09, 2009, 07:40:07 AM »
giving the body time to acclimate is basically letting your body become desensitized to the clen... if a person gets side efects with clen... then clen is working best when they have those side effects.... if they slowly increasse doseage at a rate where they never get side effects....they are never really getting the full effects of clen.

Maybe they will not get the full peak effects, I don't know about that for sure. But it will make it more tolerable and they can take it then.  Myself I do not prescribe to the Desensitisation with clen to any great degree, yes probally some but you are still getting a huge effect.  Some say the true benefits of clen come after using for an extended period, 6 weeks or so.  Then you can see best results for what its used, a repartitioning agent.  I typically do 8-10 weeks straight on the clen, have done 12weeks.  Thats how I like to use it.  It has a pretty strong effect and if in becomes a bit less effective over time thats OK, its still exerting plenty of effect. 

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« Reply #18 on: May 09, 2009, 09:07:25 AM »
My doctor will prescribe anything, great guy.. I get all my gear from him, I have about 300  2mg albuterol tabs sitting in my kitchen right now :)

I think renessaince man was reffering to what I wrote were 'the SHAKES' as in uncontrollable clen shakes.


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« Reply #19 on: May 09, 2009, 11:03:15 AM »
OK, I'm quoting myself to try again to get a response.  lol  How would I incorporate Ketotifen?

I got my doc to prescribe 4 mg Albuterol tabs.  Should I just take 4 tabs per day, spread out as he suggests?   

I've gone as high as 200mcg with Clen before, but I've never used Albuterol.  Clen definitley sucks.

If you're going to use Ketoifen it would be 1mg (2mg at the most) before bed because it will make you drowsy and possibly cause hunger.
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« Reply #20 on: May 09, 2009, 12:47:50 PM »
If you're going to use Ketoifen it would be 1mg (2mg at the most) before bed because it will make you drowsy and possibly cause hunger.

Should I use Ketoifen from day one or wait a couple of weeks into using albuterol? 

Also, if my wife wants to use Albuterol what dose/regimen do you recommend for women?  She's never used Clen before either.

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« Reply #21 on: May 09, 2009, 01:03:50 PM »
Should I use Ketoifen from day one or wait a couple of weeks into using albuterol? 

Also, if my wife wants to use Albuterol what dose/regimen do you recommend for women?  She's never used Clen before either.
i would begin using it starting day one. desensitization starts day one so it makes sense to start fighting that on day one as well.

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« Reply #22 on: May 10, 2009, 06:55:38 AM »
An albu scorer eye his sister's supply. EQ referring to "the snakes" as a condition.

Do you need a sketch? I can also come to your house to explain in person.


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when you use clen, you get jitters (shakes)

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« Reply #23 on: May 10, 2009, 07:27:56 AM »
Should I use Ketoifen from day one or wait a couple of weeks into using albuterol? 

Also, if my wife wants to use Albuterol what dose/regimen do you recommend for women?  She's never used Clen before either.

I'm not familiar with Albuterol, but I found this.  Sounds like it was written by someone who knows what they're talking about.  :-\

Ketoifen might not even be necessary.   ??? You might want to try it without.



Albuterol
Chemical Name: Albuterol Sulfate
Drug Class: Beta-Agonist
Albuterol is very closely related to Clenbuterol (often simply called “Clen”), which has been a drug athletes have been using for literally decades to lose fat. Although it’s typically thought of as only a shorter acting version of Clenbuterol, that’s not 100% correct, and Albuterol actually has some benefits that Clen doesn’tJust like Clen, Albuterol binds to the beta 2 adrenergic receptors. Beta 2 receptor stimulation is a very potent mechanism for initiating fat loss. Stimulating the beta-2 receptors found in fat cells activates hormone sensitive lipase, to break up stored fat into free fatty acids which are then used as fuel by the body (1). Once those fatty acids are broken up, Albuterol then has the added effect of elevating your metabolism, which helps you use the free fatty acids that it has broken up. It’s a very potent fat burner, as a result of both being able to break up stored fat and make it available as energy, as well as increasing the rate at which this energy is used.

Interestingly, while Clenbuterol increases both muscle size and strength in animal studies (2), the same thing isn’t necessarily true in humans, and if it is, actual studies proving so are nearly impossible to find. It’s suspected to possibly do this, but there’s really no hard evidence of it. And since it’s not approved by the FDA for use in humans, non-anecdotal data proving that Clen actually builds muscle or increases performance is scarce. Since it’s approved by the FDA for use in asthmatics, studies on humans and Albuterol, regarding exercise performance are more plentiful. In multiple studies, it has been suggested strongly that it increases strength as well as endurance in humans (3,4). Clen, on the other hand, has anecdotally been reported to reduce endurance in athletes who use it.

In addition, Albuterol may even help the lipid profile (cholesterol)(5), which is definitely something that steroid using athletes may want to consider, when deciding whether or not to include Albuterol in a cutting cycle. In fact, a small dose of it might be useful on nearly any cycle, because of this characteristic.

The main difference between Albuterol and Clen is that Albuterol has a significantly shorter half life of Albuterol. If Clenbuterol happens to give you insomnia, then Albuterol is a much better alternative, because it’s not going to build up in your system to the same degree that Clen can.

I’m typically much more confident recommending Albuterol to athletes instead of Clen, because stimulant induced anxiety and insomnia seem to be much less likely. Also, due to the shorter half life, there’s probably a much lower level of beta-2 receptor downgrade, but the trade off is more frequent dosing. Two to four milligrams, three to four times a day is usually sufficient for an anabolic as well as fat burning effect.

References:

1. Effect of beta1- and beta2-adrenergic stimulation on energy expenditure, substrate oxidation, and UCP3 expression in humans.

2. Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab. 2003 Oct;285(4):E775-82. Epub 2003 Jun 24.

3. J Appl Physiol. 2001 Nov;91(5):2064-70

4. Med Sci Sports Exerc. 2000 Jul;32(7):1300-6. Effect of salbutamol on muscle strength and endurance performance in nonasthmatic men. van Baak MA, Mayer LH, Kempinski RE, Hartgens F.

5. Aviat Space Environ Med. 2004 Jun;75(6):505-11 Albuterol helps resistance exercise attenuate unloading-induced knee extensor losses. Caruso JF, Hamill JL, Yamauchi M, Mercado DR, Cook TD, Keller CP, Montgomery AG, Elias J.

6. Metabolism. 1996 Jun;45(6):712-7 Effects of oral albuterol on serum lipids and carbohydrate metabolism in healthy men. Maki KC, Skorodin MS, Jessen JH, Laghi F.

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« Reply #24 on: May 10, 2009, 02:42:54 PM »
Albuterol sucks almost as much as clen. The asymptomatic sides are just as bad, aren't they? Maybe that was just hearsay, but I thought it was pretty much on par with clen (not mg for mg of course).

Either way, I think I've finally come to the verdict that they're both shitty. I like ephedrine a lot better. You get a nice strength increase, you're not shaking like a leaf, not as much heart damage (at least no necrosis AFAIK), it's cheap and pretty standardized. Some of that research clen can be under or even OVERdosed. I think I see better results doing EC with or without T3.