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Re: 127% MORE MUSCLE!!
« Reply #50 on: May 11, 2009, 06:01:17 AM »
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Re: 127% MORE MUSCLE!!
« Reply #51 on: May 11, 2009, 06:01:47 AM »
elaborate


Doing cardio vs not doing cardio will give a different result, thus, it influences the outcome (Decidie phrased it as if cardio did not have an effect at all).

That being said, papers on HIT cardio (done properly) shows that it can definitely improve fatloss through the metabolic effect after exercise and raise levels of IGF1 ect compared to normal cardio (not sure how complete the diet control was). If: (Effect of normal cardio = reducing daily calories with the amount burned in cardio), it = fair to assume that the enhanched effect of HIT cardio would mean: (effect of HIT cardio > the effect of reducing calories burned during HIT cardio).

At the same time it does not fuck with your progress in the gym, and it is quite healthy for your cardiovascular system. The elevated levels of IGF1, and the general elevation of your metabolism for up to 24 hours later = also useful.

Debussey needs to check up the scientific references a bit more, but it thinks that the arguments above = scientifically sound.

Duck says that when she did diet down from 350 pounds, she did HIT cardio. She monitored her BF%, weight, strength in the gym and overall feeling of energy (ranked on a scale from 1 - 10) in a spreadsheet for consecutive diets with and without HIT cardio, accounting for the different variables, and found that HIT cardio had a good effect. (vs. normal cardio or no cardio at all which could not be ascribed only to other variables).

Also Layne Norton supports HIT cardio, and he has certainly done his homework more than most people. That in itself serves as a good indicator of its effectiveness.

For Wavy: Please post studies done specifically on HIT cardio done properly to show that it = irrelevant for body composition. This form of cardio = a different animal than low intensity boring cardio.

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Re: 127% MORE MUSCLE!!
« Reply #52 on: May 11, 2009, 06:02:47 AM »
Your german is not that bad either, stud.

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Re: 127% MORE MUSCLE!!
« Reply #53 on: May 11, 2009, 06:03:44 AM »

Doing cardio vs not doing cardio will give a different result, thus, it influences the outcome (Decidie phrased it as if cardio did not have an effect at all).

That being said, papers on HIT cardio (done properly) shows that it can definitely improve fatloss through the metabolic effect after exercise and raise levels of IGF1 ect compared to normal cardio (not sure how complete the diet control was).

At the same time it does not fuck with your progress in the gym, and it is quite healthy for your cardiovascular system.

Debussey needs to check up the scientific references a bit more, but it thinks that reducing the calories per day with the small amount of calories burned during a Tabata session and not doing it compared to doing it and keeping calories higher will yield a different result.

Duck says that when she did diet down from 350 pounds, she did HIT cardio. She monitored her BF%, weight, strength in the gym and overall feeling of energy (ranked on a scale from 1 - 10) in a spreadsheet for consecutive diets with and without HIT cardio, accounting for the different variables, and found that HIT cardio had a good effect. (vs. normal cardio or no cardio at all which could not be ascribed only to other variables).

Also Layne Norton supports HIT cardio, and he has certainly done his homework more than most people. That in itself serves as a good indicator of its effectiveness.

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HIT cardio is great. I never did it until this year, but it definitly makes a difference in life quality. Cardio makes life better.

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Re: 127% MORE MUSCLE!!
« Reply #54 on: May 11, 2009, 06:04:22 AM »

Doing cardio vs not doing cardio will give a different result, thus, it influences the outcome (Decidie phrased it as if cardio did not have an effect at all).

That being said, papers on HIT cardio (done properly) shows that it can definitely improve fatloss through the metabolic effect after exercise and raise levels of IGF1 ect compared to normal cardio (not sure how complete the diet control was). If: (Effect of normal cardio = reducing daily calories with the amount burned in cardio), it = fair to assume that the enhanched effect of HIT cardio would mean: (effect of HIT cardio > the effect of reducing calories burned during HIT cardio).

At the same time it does not fuck with your progress in the gym, and it is quite healthy for your cardiovascular system.

Debussey needs to check up the scientific references a bit more, but it thinks that reducing the calories per day with the small amount of calories burned during a Tabata session and not doing it compared to doing it and keeping calories higher will yield a different result.

Duck says that when she did diet down from 350 pounds, she did HIT cardio. She monitored her BF%, weight, strength in the gym and overall feeling of energy (ranked on a scale from 1 - 10) in a spreadsheet for consecutive diets with and without HIT cardio, accounting for the different variables, and found that HIT cardio had a good effect. (vs. normal cardio or no cardio at all which could not be ascribed only to other variables).

Also Layne Norton supports HIT cardio, and he has certainly done his homework more than most people. That in itself serves as a good indicator of its effectiveness.

Still irrelevant for body composition....
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Re: 127% MORE MUSCLE!!
« Reply #55 on: May 11, 2009, 06:05:41 AM »
Still irrelevant for body composition....


Why?

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Re: 127% MORE MUSCLE!!
« Reply #56 on: May 11, 2009, 06:11:50 AM »

Doing cardio vs not doing cardio will give a different result, thus, it influences the outcome (Decidie phrased it as if cardio did not have an effect at all).

That being said, papers on HIT cardio (done properly) shows that it can definitely improve fatloss through the metabolic effect after exercise and raise levels of IGF1 ect compared to normal cardio (not sure how complete the diet control was). If: (Effect of normal cardio = reducing daily calories with the amount burned in cardio), it = fair to assume that the enhanched effect of HIT cardio would mean: (effect of HIT cardio > the effect of reducing calories burned during HIT cardio).

At the same time it does not fuck with your progress in the gym, and it is quite healthy for your cardiovascular system. The elevated levels of IGF1, and the general elevation of your metabolism for up to 24 hours later = also useful.

Debussey needs to check up the scientific references a bit more, but it thinks that the arguments above = scientifically sound.

Duck says that when she did diet down from 350 pounds, she did HIT cardio. She monitored her BF%, weight, strength in the gym and overall feeling of energy (ranked on a scale from 1 - 10) in a spreadsheet for consecutive diets with and without HIT cardio, accounting for the different variables, and found that HIT cardio had a good effect. (vs. normal cardio or no cardio at all which could not be ascribed only to other variables).

Also Layne Norton supports HIT cardio, and he has certainly done his homework more than most people. That in itself serves as a good indicator of its effectiveness.

I would still have to see a scientifc study that shows effect on body composition as long as all other factors (including rate of weight loss) are kept the same. In my experience, the effect is insignificant. I do agree that if there is any other reason for doing cardio (health, fun, raising aerobic fitness level, job requirements, etc.), one should do it.

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Re: 127% MORE MUSCLE!!
« Reply #57 on: May 11, 2009, 06:14:22 AM »
I would still have to see a scientifc study that shows effect on body composition as long as all other factors (including rate of weight loss) are kept the same. In my experience, the effect is insignificant. I do agree that if there is any other reason for doing cardio (health, fun, raising aerobic fitness level, job requirements, etc.), one should do it.

It seems like yours and Ducks experiences = different.

Have you done a detailed study on yourself over time to check this effect?


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Re: 127% MORE MUSCLE!!
« Reply #58 on: May 11, 2009, 06:16:03 AM »
For Wavy: Please post studies done specifically on HIT cardio done properly to show that it = irrelevant for body composition. This form of cardio = a different animal than low intensity boring cardio.

Don't know of such studies but I also don't know of ones that show the opposite.

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Re: 127% MORE MUSCLE!!
« Reply #59 on: May 11, 2009, 06:17:18 AM »
It seems like yours and Ducks experiences = different.
Have you done a detailed study on yourself over time to check this effect?

Did duck adjust her calories in two different cuts so that the same rate of weight loss was achieved and compared body composition improvements?

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Re: 127% MORE MUSCLE!!
« Reply #60 on: May 11, 2009, 06:20:13 AM »
Did duck adjust her calories in two different cuts so that the same rate of weight loss was achieved and compared body composition improvements?


This is Duck: Yes. The avg. weight loss were very similar, the BF% starting points were similar, and strength in the gym and overall feeling of energy were accounted for.

Addition: BF% was measured on a continous basis as well, if that was not clear from the first version of this post.

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Re: 127% MORE MUSCLE!!
« Reply #61 on: May 11, 2009, 06:21:05 AM »

Why?

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Re: 127% MORE MUSCLE!!
« Reply #62 on: May 11, 2009, 06:22:12 AM »
qft

Essen is a good city. Dirty and full of scum. Could perfectly be the set for a Resident Evil movie.

essen is quite nice i think
one of the nicer cities in the ruhrpott

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Re: 127% MORE MUSCLE!!
« Reply #63 on: May 11, 2009, 06:28:49 AM »
essen is quite nice i think
one of the nicer cities in the ruhrpott

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Re: 127% MORE MUSCLE!!
« Reply #64 on: May 11, 2009, 06:30:13 AM »
essen is quite nice i think
one of the nicer cities in the ruhrpott

Why is the town named "eat"?

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Re: 127% MORE MUSCLE!!
« Reply #65 on: May 11, 2009, 06:31:29 AM »
Essen ist ein Scheissloch. Bild dir nix ein.

how you wanna know hombrone?
und warum einbilden lol
i don't live there but i think it's one of the nicer towns in germany
germany in general is pretty boring

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Re: 127% MORE MUSCLE!!
« Reply #66 on: May 11, 2009, 06:38:22 AM »
how you wanna know hombrone?
und warum einbilden lol
i don't live there but i think it's one of the nicer towns in germany
germany in general is pretty boring

I have lived there, and it sucks.

Why is the town named "eat"?

Beats me, the city sucks anyways.

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Re: 127% MORE MUSCLE!!
« Reply #67 on: May 11, 2009, 06:39:33 AM »
nothing beats the niederrhein though
dead streets after 6pm ;D

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Re: 127% MORE MUSCLE!!
« Reply #68 on: May 11, 2009, 06:53:15 AM »
nothing beats the niederrhein though
dead streets after 6pm ;D

nice.


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Re: 127% MORE MUSCLE!!
« Reply #69 on: May 11, 2009, 06:54:07 AM »
nice.



i hate it
i bet new york would be a city for me to live

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Re: 127% MORE MUSCLE!!
« Reply #70 on: May 11, 2009, 09:39:46 AM »

This is Duck: Yes. The avg. weight loss were very similar, the BF% starting points were similar, and strength in the gym and overall feeling of energy were accounted for.

Addition: BF% was measured on a continous basis as well, if that was not clear from the first version of this post.

what was the difference in body fat in the end?

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Re: 127% MORE MUSCLE!!
« Reply #71 on: May 11, 2009, 09:42:33 AM »
what was the difference in body fat in the end?


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Re: 127% MORE MUSCLE!!
« Reply #72 on: May 11, 2009, 09:48:53 AM »
Actually they are lying about the product. It is 126.3% more muscle not 127%...

Good thing that only 78.623038946% of all statistical claims are made up on the spot here on GB  ::)

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Re: 127% MORE MUSCLE!!
« Reply #73 on: May 11, 2009, 09:49:34 AM »
Herr, befehlt mir! Ihr seid das Licht!

Although Debussey obviously knows nothing about bodybuilding, Duck seems to be quite an expert. I always listen to experts when their opinion goes against my experience. 8)

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Re: 127% MORE MUSCLE!!
« Reply #74 on: May 11, 2009, 10:20:12 AM »
Thanks, but getting 127% more muscle cracks me off as well.  ;D ;D ;D ;D

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BTW, who else got 127% more muscle?



Ronnie coleman got 128% more muscle