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By MARTIN CRUTSINGER, AP Economics Writer – 17 mins ago

WASHINGTON – The financial health of Social Security and Medicare, the government's two biggest benefit programs, have worsened because of the severe recession, and Medicare is now paying out more than it receives.

Trustees of the programs said Tuesday that Social Security will start paying out more in benefits than it collects in taxes in 2016, one year sooner than projected last year, and the giant trust fund will be depleted by 2037, four years sooner.

Medicare is in even worse shape. The trustees said the program for hospital expenses will pay out more in benefits than it collects this year and will be insolvent by 2017, two years earlier than the date projected in last year's report.

The trust funds — which exist in paper form in a filing cabinet in Parkersburg, W.Va. — are bonds that are backed by the government's "full faith and credit" but not by any actual assets. That money has been spent over the years to fund other parts of government. To redeem the trust fund bonds, the government would have to borrow in public debt markets or raise taxes.

Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, the head of the trustees group, said the new reports were a reminder that "the longer we wait to address the long-term solvency of Medicare and Social Security, the sooner those challenges will be upon us and the harder the options will be."

Geithner said that President Barack Obama was committed to working with Congress to find ways to control runaway growth in both public and private health care expenditures, noting the promise Monday by major health care providers to trim costs by $2 trillion over the next decade.

However, Republicans pointed to the newly dire assessments as evidence the Obama administration has failed to come forward with actual entitlement reform to close the funding gaps.

"Instead of getting existing public programs in order right now, some are saying we should create a new government-run health insurance plan," Sen. Chuck Grassley, the top Republican on the Finance Committee, said in a reference to the administration's health care proposals. "When we can't afford the public health plan we have already, does it make sense to add more?"

House Republican leader John Boehner said the trustees report "confirms what we already knew: Our nation cannot afford to continue this reckless borrowing and spending spree."

The findings in the trustees report, the annual checkup given the two benefit programs, did not come as a surprise. Private economists had been predicting that the dates the programs would begin to pay out more than they take in and the dates the trust funds would be insolvent would occur sooner given the economic recession.

The deep recession, the worst the country has endured in decades, has resulted in a loss of 5.7 million jobs since it began in December 2007. The unemployment rate hit a 25-year high of 8.9 percent in April.

Fewer people working means less being paid into the trust funds for Social Security and Medicare.

The Congressional Budget Office recently projected that Social Security will collect just $3 billion more in 2010 than it will pay out in benefits. A year ago, the CBO had projected that Social Security would have a much higher $86 billion cash surplus for the 2010 budget year, which begins Oct. 1.

The trustees report projected that Social Security's annual surpluses would "fall sharply this year," then remain at a reduced level in 2010 and be lower in the following years than last year's projections. The report said that the Social Security annual surplus would be eliminated entirely in 2016, reflecting increased demands from the wave of 78 million baby boomers retiring.

That means Social Security will have to turn to its trust fund to make up the difference between Social Security taxes and the benefits being paid out beginning in 2016. The trustees projected the trust fund would be depleted in 2037, four years earlier than the 2041 date in last year's report.

At that point, the annual Social Security taxes collected would be enough to pay for three-fourths of current benefits through 2083. To tap the trust fund, the government would have to increase borrowing or raise taxes because Social Security bonds exist only as bookkeeping entries.

While the government is obligated to redeem those bonds, it has already spent the excess Social Security collections over the years to fund general government operations, providing the trust funds with IOUs.

While the smaller surpluses that will begin this year will not have any impact on Social Security benefit payments, the government will need to borrow more at a time when the federal deficit is already exploding because of the recession and the billions of dollars being spent to prop up a shaky banking system.

Medicare's condition is more precarious, reflecting the pressures from soaring health care costs as well as the drop in tax collections.

Obama on Monday praised the pledge by the health care industry to achieve $2 trillion in savings on health care costs over the next decade, but it was unclear how much help those pledges would be in achieving Obama's goal of extending coverage to some 50 million uninsured Americans. The administration is pushing Congress to pass legislation in this area this year, preferring to tackle health care before Social Security.

The trustees report is likely to set off renewed debate over Social Security and Medicare. Critics have charged that the Obama administration has failed to tackle the most serious problems in the budget — soaring entitlement spending.

The administration on Monday revised its federal deficit forecasts upward to project an imbalance this year of $1.84 trillion, four times last year's record, and said the deficits will remain above $500 billion every year over the next decade.
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Re: Social Security and Medicare May Soon Be Cut All Together...
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2009, 04:06:07 PM »
Good!

SS and Medicare are rathole programs anyways.

People should plan for their future and not rely on governmental extortion of the workforce to support themselves.

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Re: Social Security and Medicare May Soon Be Cut All Together...
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2009, 04:10:25 PM »
Won't happen in a thousand years, no matter how much debt it creates.

I hope repubes come out as a party in favor of abolishing SS and Medicare. It'll will guarantee their party going the way of the Whigs.  ;)
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« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2009, 04:27:43 PM »
What happened to the Whigs, anyways?

We need a good dictator in this country. That is why nothing can get done... what needs to be done would be unpopular... so nobody will do it.

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« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2009, 04:50:05 PM »
Good!

SS and Medicare are rathole programs anyways.

People should plan for their future and not rely on governmental extortion of the workforce to support themselves.

Prior to SS and Medicare many died from sickness, were severely impoverished and where left homeless all over america. That did not look to good in a country bragging about its supposed wealth, healthcare and democracy. So these systems were created to prevent such occurences from happening again. Fast forward to today...healthcare is out of the reach of many despite having a job, the cost of living is stupendousl large, thanks to toxins, food additives, poor nutrition, difficult lifestyles, diseases and condition of all types are running rampant. It is IMPOSSIBLE for a person to save money enough to cover their senior years despite living stingily through their working years. One sickness can wipe out years if not decades of savings in one hospital visit, so before you go on cursing someone for not having the finances to pay for their medical care...think again. Sadly these programs have been raided by america itself for the sake of using themoney to make and pay for wars, weapons and to fill the pockets of the greedy....in exchange the citizens get to die of treatable sicknesses, live and die on income in their senior years that could barely maintain a dog or work literally until the day they die... not really much to look for in the so called great country of america...
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Re: Social Security and Medicare May Soon Be Cut All Together...
« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2009, 07:46:39 PM »
Won't happen in a thousand years, no matter how much debt it creates.

I hope repubes come out as a party in favor of abolishing SS and Medicare. It'll will guarantee their party going the way of the Whigs.  ;)

Both programs are disasters.  SS needs to increase to 75 years old to collect.

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« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2009, 08:02:18 PM »
People should plan for their future and not rely on governmental extortion of the workforce to support themselves.

Do you have ANY IDEA how shitty it'll be to live here, with 100 million old people suddenly homeless, starving and dying on our streets?

I mean, you can grab your cawk and say "every man for himself, bitches!" but do you want to take your parents in?   Imagine bodies on your sidewalk every day.  Imagine a bunch of pissed off vietnam vets taking the rifles out for a day of picking off people in cars.

It's like you don't think about how dangerous people will be if you take away their food and health care.  Yes, you're doing fine.  But you wouldn't be, if 1/3 of the population turned into violent sick beggars.

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« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2009, 08:12:12 PM »
Both programs are disasters.  SS needs to increase to 75 years old to collect.

They are NOT disasters...the casue for the issues being raised with them is the corrupt officials who have spent the money these seniors have paid into and are entitled to, on wars and foolishness. Having people work until they are 75 is OUTRAGEOUS. It is one thing to be a senior and wake up early and plant a herb or organic garden and tend to it as you wish, go to senior centers or engage in activitie as you wish...it is another to wake EVERYDAY to rush to some sort of job where you are stressed for eight hours, spend an hour trying to get home and then go through the rigors as a young person with shopping, cooking, sending clothes to the cleaners or washing and ironing them yourself, taking medication as most people reach those ages end up doing and wondering when you will get some vacation time to make doctor visits, relax or visit family or have family visit you  before you die...NO FUCKING WAY!!!!!...
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Re: Social Security and Medicare May Soon Be Cut All Together...
« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2009, 08:14:33 PM »
no way they end social security or welfare.  There are a LOT more non-essential things they would cut first. 

no way they send granny to starve in the alley while bridges to nowhere keep getting built.


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« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2009, 11:24:29 PM »
Do you have ANY IDEA how shitty it'll be to live here, with 100 million old people suddenly homeless, starving and dying on our streets?

I mean, you can grab your cawk and say "every man for himself, bitches!" but do you want to take your parents in?   Imagine bodies on your sidewalk every day.  Imagine a bunch of pissed off vietnam vets taking the rifles out for a day of picking off people in cars.

It's like you don't think about how dangerous people will be if you take away their food and health care.  Yes, you're doing fine.  But you wouldn't be, if 1/3 of the population turned into violent sick beggars.

Yes, ::) you have been thru all this before... It will be Gray Dawn.

I'll take care of my own. Looks like all the old fuckers might have to give up their motorhomes and lawn tractors.  Boo Hoo for them...

If Nam vets start sniping cars then the local SWAT team can have a workout. Fuck 'em.

I'll bet a lot of old people could get by on their own faculties if they had to...

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« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2009, 04:14:45 AM »
The fact of the matter is that these programs are not sustainable in their present form. 

Any system that allows people to pull out far more than they ever put in for long periods of time is mathmatically not-sustainable. 

SS is nothing more than a Madoff scheme.

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« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2009, 06:29:04 AM »
The fact of the matter is that these programs are not sustainable in their present form. 

Any system that allows people to pull out far more than they ever put in for long periods of time is mathmatically not-sustainable. 

SS is nothing more than a Madoff scheme.


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« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2009, 06:30:54 AM »

DEADHEAD!!!!!

Do the damn math. 

Just look at the life span of people when SS was formed, the ratios of workers to retirees, the average length of payouts, etc and there is no denying that this program is either going to have to be radically changed, or abolished altogether. 

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« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2009, 06:35:35 AM »
Yes, ::) you have been thru all this before... It will be Gray Dawn.

I'll take care of my own. Looks like all the old fuckers might have to give up their motorhomes and lawn tractors.  Boo Hoo for them...

If Nam vets start sniping cars then the local SWAT team can have a workout. Fuck 'em.

I'll bet a lot of old people could get by on their own faculties if they had to...


100 million people.  Starving.  Sick.  Dying in the street and potentially very violent.

Great thinking.  You go ahead and play John Rambo in your town.  Personally, I'd prefer live in a civilized society with some bullshit ponzi scheme funding it... than do the "right" thing and let the USA disintegrate into bedlam.

besides, everyone with means would move outta here anyway, and you'd be stuck living in a shithole with the bums, or moving to Eur to escape it.

Hey, grab your diick.  You're a badass.  you want to live in chaos cause you hate obama.  great work sparky.

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« Reply #14 on: May 13, 2009, 06:36:51 AM »
We are going to be there anyway. 



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« Reply #15 on: May 13, 2009, 06:45:34 AM »
Do you have ANY IDEA how shitty it'll be to live here, with 100 million old people suddenly homeless, starving and dying on our streets?

I mean, you can grab your cawk and say "every man for himself, bitches!" but do you want to take your parents in?   Imagine bodies on your sidewalk every day.  Imagine a bunch of pissed off vietnam vets taking the rifles out for a day of picking off people in cars.

It's like you don't think about how dangerous people will be if you take away their food and health care.  Yes, you're doing fine.  But you wouldn't be, if 1/3 of the population turned into violent sick beggars.

It'd be interesting from a cinemagraphic point of view though. If it happens, promise me to video record it Rob and then post on getbig?
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« Reply #16 on: May 13, 2009, 06:46:24 AM »
It'd be interesting from a cinemagraphic point of view though. If it happens, promise me to video record it Rob and then post on getbig?

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« Reply #17 on: May 13, 2009, 06:48:41 AM »
Dawn of the Dead.

It'd be historic times...would you at least record it?
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« Reply #18 on: May 13, 2009, 06:51:13 AM »
It'd be historic times...would you at least record it?

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« Reply #19 on: May 13, 2009, 09:28:43 AM »
Do you have ANY IDEA how shitty it'll be to live here, with 100 million old people suddenly homeless, starving and dying on our streets?

I mean, you can grab your cawk and say "every man for himself, bitches!" but do you want to take your parents in?   Imagine bodies on your sidewalk every day.  Imagine a bunch of pissed off vietnam vets taking the rifles out for a day of picking off people in cars.

It's like you don't think about how dangerous people will be if you take away their food and health care.  Yes, you're doing fine.  But you wouldn't be, if 1/3 of the population turned into violent sick beggars.

You keep making these threats.Yeah,Im fearfull of some old fool trying to jack me for my car.Yeah,vets are very violent.Sorry,Im FAR more worried about the idiots in Obamas community then I am about old people and vets.I couldnt care less if ten thousand old people drop dead for their lack of planning,why should I pay for them or anyone else?I wont be collecting SS or medicaid,or medicare,why should I pay for others to get it.