Just ONE pic to proof that....

[DK II]

WLDP= high protein, caloric deficit, enough nutrients. Why can't you drop weight this way? Wavelength's results speak for themselves as I said.

He is doing EXACLTY the same Bullshit as TA now, posting pics of unhealthy meals and claiming he eats all of those on a daily basis, only eating what he wants etc...

Same with TA, later it's all rowing backwards claiming "i only said healthy diet high protein bla bla bla."

[wavelength]

All i'm saying is that you overdid it a bit, you come across like you eat sweets, pies and chinese buffet all day long when in fact your "diet" is ONE MEAL per day.

I don't know what you're talking about, I always came perfectly clear about my diet. Caloric restriction is essential.

Sure you can't get fat on this, because even if you managed to eat 3000kcal in one sitting, you can easily burn that off because your body starves all day. No offense, but somehow your diet rather reminds me of Nicole Richie than Arnold Schwarzenegger.

If I ate 3000kcals in that one meal, I would gain the exact same amount of weight than I would if I spread the meals out. My body does not starve all day, I drink protein during the day. What my diet reminds you of is completely irrelevant. The diet is optimal for body composition plus it's the most convenient diet for me.

[wavelength]

I did read the whole article and I know that Alan believes in meal timing around workouts. However, his rules are far less strict than those of most nutritionists.

[wavelength]

He is doing EXACLTY the same Bullshit as TA now, posting pics of unhealthy meals and claiming he eats all of those on a daily basis, only eating what he wants etc...

Same with TA, later it's all rowing backwards claiming "i only said healthy diet high protein bla bla bla."

Bro science is just as prevalent when it comes to health as it is when it comes to bodybuilding. But I agree that more restrictions might be necessary if your goal is optimal health. I posted this pic mainly as a joke response regarding muslim food restrictions (beer, pork).

[DK II]

I don't know what you're talking about, I always came perfectly clear about my diet. Caloric restriction is essential.

If I ate 3000kcals in that one meal, I would gain the exact same amount of weight than I would if I spread the meals out. My body does not starve all day, I drink protein during the day. What my diet reminds you of is completely irrelevant. The diet is optimal for body composition plus it's the most convenient diet for me.

i was playing with figures there, make 1500 of the 300 if you like.

What i am saying is that you do what a lot of people do, yet claim you have the holy grail.

You drink protein shakes during the day and then eat ONE MEAL in the evening, maybe it's fast food, maybe not.

That's all, nothing more. There's nothing special about that, every fucking hollywood celebrity does that.

I did read the whole article and I know that Alan believes in meal timing around workouts. However, his rules are far less strict than those of most nutritionists.

What "Rules"??

all those "rules" are nonexistant. There are different theories, maybe.

[DK II]

Bro science is just as prevalent when it comes to health as it is when it comes to bodybuilding. But I agree that more restrictions might be necessary if your goal is optimal health. I posted this pic mainly as a joke response regarding muslim food restrictions (beer, pork).

i know, i got that.

I was just saying you need to be careful otherwise you'll be the new Adonis, posting pics of Pizza all day and claiming you are ripped eating this.

It's just an image you create, because we aren't around you 24/7. You could be eating brown rice, chicken breast and broccoli wihtout salt 5 times a day, no one can say here.

[wavelength]

i was playing with figures there, make 1500 of the 300 if you like.

What i am saying is that you do what a lot of people do, yet claim you have the holy grail.

You drink protein shakes during the day and then eat ONE MEAL in the evening, maybe it's fast food, maybe not.

That's all, nothing more. There's nothing special about that, every fucking hollywood celebrity does that.

I never claimed originality or exclusiveness and I never used the term "WLDP". No idea what the problem is.

What "Rules"??
 all those "rules" are nonexistant. There are different theories, maybe.

Correct, that's what I meant, his theories. In his case however at least based on real science.

[Deicide]

i know, i got that.

I was just saying you need to be careful otherwise you'll be the new Adonis, posting pics of Pizza all day and claiming you are ripped eating this.

It's just an image you create, because we aren't around you 24/7. You could be eating brown rice, chicken breast and broccoli wihtout salt 5 times a day, no one can say here.

I believe Wellenlaenge. He is honest and a straight shooter. You should try MWLDP, I have and it is working out ok...

[wavelength]

i know, i got that.

I was just saying you need to be careful otherwise you'll be the new Adonis, posting pics of Pizza all day and claiming you are ripped eating this.

It's just an image you create, because we aren't around you 24/7. You could be eating brown rice, chicken breast and broccoli wihtout salt 5 times a day, no one can say here.

I could be lying, that's true. However, I started a food log for 2009 and can tell you exactly what I ate every single day.

[big L dawg]

DAMN! give me a little hotsauce to throw on that and about 5 more beers!Looks damn good.

[Deicide]

I could be lying, that's true. However, I started a food log for 2009 and can tell you exactly what I ate every single day.

For me it's been important to keep track of calories, since this is my first real effort to go the all the way. There's WLDP and MWLDP, MWLDP is the best approach. I would never eat McDonalds just because I think it is disgusting...as an example.

[DK II]

I believe Wellenlaenge. He is honest and a straight shooter. You should try MWLDP, I have and it is working out ok...

i'm sorry, but i have done "MWLDP" long enough to know it sucks when it comes to your overall wellbeing. If you want to lose weight, you can do a lot of stuff. Here's a tip, try drinking only protein shakes for a time, you'll lose weight very fast, but you will feel and look like shit.
There's a big difference between dieting down to be ripped and dieting down wihtout losing a lot of muscle as well.

I could be lying, that's true. However, I started a food log for 2009 and can tell you exactly what I ate every single day.

No need to prove anything here. I couldn't care less than what some guy on the internet has eaten in 2009.

[Deicide]

i'm sorry, but i have done "MWLDP" long enough to know it sucks when it comes to your overall wellbeing. If you want to lose weight, you can do a lot of stuff. Here's a tip, try drinking only protein shakes for a time, you'll lose weight very fast, but you will feel and look like shit.
There's a big difference between dieting down to be ripped and dieting down wihtout losing a lot of muscle as well.

No need to prove anything here. I couldn't care less than what some guy on the internet has eaten in 2009.

This makes no sense. If a person weighing 80kg drinking 150 grams of protein via shakes and covers say 30-50 grams through solid food, how will this lead to accelerated loss of muscle? Protein requirements are totally covered. Why would you lose more muscle doing this than eating chicken breasts?

[DK II]

This makes no sense. If a person weighing 80kg drinking 150 grams of protein via shakes and covers say 30-50 grams through solid food, how will this lead to accelerated loss of muscle? Protein requirements are totally covered. Why would you lose more muscle doing this than eating chicken breasts?

i didn't mean the two lines in a direct connection, sorry.

you can get fat drinking only protein shakes if you like. All i say is it's not a good diet. sure it may work for fatloss or muscle gains, but drinking ONE shake in the morning and one binge meal in the evening like WL has claimed before will most likely lead to "Johnnynoname"-i-look-like-i-have-AIDS-ripped.

[Deicide]

i didn't mean the two lines in a direct connection, sorry.

you can get fat drinking only protein shakes if you like. All i say is it's not a good diet. sure it may work for fatloss or muscle gains, but drinking ONE shake in the morning and one binge meal in the evening like WL has claimed before will most likely lead to "Johnnynoname"-i-look-like-i-have-AIDS-ripped.

I don't follow; why this?

[big L dawg]

i'm sorry, but i have done "MWLDP" long enough to know it sucks when it comes to your overall wellbeing. If you want to lose weight, you can do a lot of stuff. Here's a tip, try drinking only protein shakes for a time, you'll lose weight very fast, but you will feel and look like shit.
There's a big difference between dieting down to be ripped and dieting down wihtout losing a lot of muscle as well.

No need to prove anything here. I couldn't care less than what some guy on the internet has eaten in 2009.

It was theorized that protein loss during fasting was harmful and that a fast should be supplemented with protein. Fasting with protein became known as the Opti-fast. Fasters took nothing but water and a protein drink. Sadly, several people died. Protein digestion during the fasting state created an overload of urea and the blood become acidic. In this condition, the organs become more damaged instead of healing....this is why you wouldnt want to drink only protien shakes for a time.probably why you would feel like shit to.

[Deicide]

It was theorized that protein loss during fasting was harmful and that a fast should be supplemented with protein. Fasting with protein became known as the Opti-fast. Fasters took nothing but water and a protein drink. Sadly, several people died. Protein digestion during the fasting state created an overload of urea and the blood become acidic. In this condition, the organs become more damaged instead of healing....this is why you wouldnt want to drink only protien shakes for a time.probably why you would feel like shit to.

I don't feel bad for covering most of my protein needs with shakes. Convenient as hell.

[DK II]

I don't follow; why this?

because you will lose weight to fast and thus also lose muscle on only shakes and junk food.

I can't see how you can live only on protein shakes all day, maybe for a week or so. The point is, i think WL isn't even doing his diet in all the extremes he claims to do, i don't expect him to dine out every night and spend all his money on protein powder.

So, this means he cooks some meals, or his wife or gf or his mommy or whoever, and these people will listen to him when he says "no white rice tody for me" or "buy more lean meat when you go shopping honey" and so on.

I also don't limit myself to anything, but i'm far from claiming i would eat junk food ed.

I don't feel bad for covering most of my protein needs with shakes. Convenient as hell.

 

I don't want to go there again.

[DK II]

I don't feel bad for covering most of my protein needs with shakes. Convenient as hell.

i mean, getting your dick out an wanking to internet porn is more convenient than asking a girl out, going to dinner, paying the food, making compliments, gettign home with her, talking a bit, kissing, going home, meeting again and again until you get to fuck her but that doesn't mean wanking to internet porn is better than fucking, right?

Shakes = wanking

cooking your own healthy meals from fresh ingredients = fucking.

[Deicide]

because you will lose weight to fast and thus also lose muscle on only shakes and junk food.

I can't see how you can live only on protein shakes all day, maybe for a week or so. The point is, i think WL isn't even doing his diet in all the extremes he claims to do, i don't expect him to dine out every night and spend all his money on protein powder.

So, this means he cooks some meals, or his wife or gf or his mommy or whoever, and these people will listen to him when he says "no white rice tody for me" or "buy more lean meat when you go shopping honey" and so on.

I also don't limit myself to anything, but i'm far from claiming i would eat junk food ed.

 

I don't want to go there again.

Wavelength is a solid Kerl.

[DK II]

Wavelength is a solid Kerl.

no doubt about it.

 

[Deicide]

i mean, getting your dick out an wanking to internet porn is more convenient than asking a girl out, going to dinner, paying the food, making compliments, gettign home with her, talking a bit, kissing, going home, meeting again and again until you get to fuck her but that doesn't mean wanking to internet porn is better than fucking, right?

Shakes = wanking

cooking your own healthy meals from fresh ingredients = fucking.

Not a argument for dieting but costwise, I save a lot using shakes.

[wavelength]

i'm sorry, but i have done "MWLDP" long enough to know it sucks when it comes to your overall wellbeing. If you want to lose weight, you can do a lot of stuff. Here's a tip, try drinking only protein shakes for a time, you'll lose weight very fast, but you will feel and look like shit.
There's a big difference between dieting down to be ripped and dieting down wihtout losing a lot of muscle as well.

No need to prove anything here. I couldn't care less than what some guy on the internet has eaten in 2009.

You maybe know that it sucks for you. My method is just one possible method which follows the essential rules. Every bodybuilder diet also falls into that category.

My point is not to lose weight and feel like shit but to have optimal body composition and feel great. For the former you need to follow the essential rules, for the latter you need to experiment with the unessential factors until they fit you best. With my current diet, my ratio of fat loss vs. muscle loss was the best I ever had. No idea why this comes up again and again.

You said I could be lying, I said I can provide a complete food log. Kind of funny to say you're not interested after acusing me of lying.

[DK II]

Not a argument for dieting but costwise, I save a lot using shakes.

you're one in a million.

You maybe know that it sucks for you. My method is just one possible method which follows the essential rules. Every bodybuilder diet also falls into that category.

My point is not to lose weight and feel like shit but to have optimal body composition and feel great. For the former you need to follow the essential rules, for the latter you need to experiment with the unessential factors until they fit you best. With my current diet, my ratio of fat loss vs. muscle loss was the best I ever had. No idea why this comes up again and again.

You said I could be lying, I said I can provide a complete food log. Kind of funny to say you're not interested after acusing me of lying.

i never said you lie, i said you weren't very accurate in how your diet looks like. Post the food log, if you feel better then.

I bet i can find a lot of "normal" healthy food on it.

[Deicide]

you're one in a million.

i never said you lie, i said you weren't very accurate in how your diet looks like. Post the food log, if you feel better then.

I bet i can find a lot of "normal" healthy food on it.

Why this?