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Re: Judge rules family can't refuse chemo for boy
« Reply #50 on: May 19, 2009, 01:13:24 AM »

Why dontcha answer Debussey's post and back up your claims about natural medicine with solid studies instead of folklore and gibberish? ::)

Cause I have better use for my time than wasteing it with the likes of you. I've already given you too much already.
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Re: Judge rules family can't refuse chemo for boy
« Reply #51 on: May 19, 2009, 05:05:19 AM »
Cause I have better use for my time than wasteing it with the likes of you. I've already given you too much already.


Wrong. You are just a dumb goat that loves to write unproven crap and illogical bs, then run away when being called out on it.

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Re: Judge rules family can't refuse chemo for boy
« Reply #52 on: May 19, 2009, 05:07:16 AM »
Cause I have better use for my time than wasteing it with the likes of you. I've already given you too much already.

I hate the State.

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Re: Judge rules family can't refuse chemo for boy
« Reply #54 on: May 19, 2009, 08:07:42 AM »



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Re: Judge rules family can't refuse chemo for boy
« Reply #55 on: May 19, 2009, 08:41:53 AM »


Great Clip! Reminds me of my very first venture into network mktg.
I was soooo green, ...it made the grass envious. What did I sell? ...you guessed it... water filters!  ;D
Except, I didn't get off as lucky as him. Instead of $1,000, our qualifier was $5,000 worth.
Needless to say, I learned very quickly, that selling someone a water filter meant I was now unemployed until my next sale, ...cause those suckers lasted for 3 years, ...and in 30 days, ...they sure didn't need another one.

I crashed and burned so fast, as do most newbies ...but I was determined to understand where I went wrong.
Thankfully, I wanted my freedom, and independence so badly, I was willing to learn the Wealth Creation Formula, and some very basic principals applicable to this incredible industry.
 
Rule #1. Your product must be consumable!

To develop a steady passive residual income, you have to have a product producing repeat business.
A non consumable water filter isn't what's going to do it cause you would need new customers constantly.

A consumable product however, will empower you to simply gather a handful of customers, ...and even if you developed no additional new customers, you could continue to earn passive residual income each time those customers consumed their supply of the product, and re-ordered. As the Network mktg company expanded the product lines, you'd see that monthly income increase as more & more of your satisfied customers choose to include those additional products into their households as well.

You might want to pay close attention to the following series of videos in the playlist. The popcorn is on me.  :)

&index=0&playnext=1




Debussey will check out the video of you provide scientific backing for your statements about "natural medicine" instead of just claiming something pretty outrageous and saying it to be true :D

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Re: Judge rules family can't refuse chemo for boy
« Reply #56 on: May 19, 2009, 12:10:14 PM »
I can't see anyone gaining any weight on a diet of apple juice & soy milk.  :-\

This isn't anyone.  It's a newborn.  Every newborn should be breast fed, if possible.  That's a purely liquid diet.  Mothers who either can't or don't want to breast feed give their babies formula, which can be soy based or cow milk based.  It's still a purely liquid diet.  That's not what killed the baby.  I don't think they fed the baby much at all. 

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Re: Judge rules family can't refuse chemo for boy
« Reply #57 on: May 19, 2009, 03:53:33 PM »
Minnesota Boy With Cancer Vows to Resist Chemotherapy by Punching, Kicking
Tuesday, May 19, 2009 

A judge has ruled Daniel Hauser, 13, must get medical treatment for a highly treatable form of cancer.
A 13-year-old boy's vow to resist chemotherapy by punching or kicking anyone who tries to force it on him will present doctors with a tough task if they can't change his mind.

A judge was due Tuesday to hear the results of his order that Daniel Hauser undergo a chest X-ray and his family pick an oncologist to be treated for Hodgkin's lymphoma.

Related: Judge Forces 13-Year-Old to Undergo Cancer Treatments

Daniel and his parents stopped chemotherapy after one treatment and opted for "alternative medicines," prompting Brown County authorities to intervene. The cancer is regarded as highly curable with chemotherapy and radiation, but is likely fatal without it.

Daniel was scheduled for an X-ray Monday. His attorneys couldn't confirm he kept the appointment, and calls to the Hauser home rang unanswered.

"It can be very difficult to treat a 13-year-old boy who doesn't want to be treated," said Arthur Caplan, chair of the medical ethics department at the University of Pennsylvania. "I don't want to say it's impossible, but it makes it very tough on the doctors."

Last week, Brown County District Judge John Rodenberg ruled that Daniel's parents, Colleen and Anthony Hauser, were medically neglecting him.

Rodenberg said if a new X-ray showed a good prognosis, chemotherapy and possible radiation appeared to be in his best interest. Chemotherapy would not be ordered if the cancer was too advanced.

If chemotherapy was ordered and the family refused, Daniel would be placed in temporary custody. It wasn't immediately known where the boy might be treated or how medicine would be administered if he fights it.

Caplan said the medical community recognized a person's right to refuse treatments — but those rights didn't extend to incompetent people or children. Still, he said: "It is hard to treat someone who won't cooperate." Restraints could be used.

Officials at some Minnesota hospitals that treat cancer in children described several methods they would try to break through the boy's resistance.

Dr. Steven Miles, a professor of medicine and bioethics at the University of Minnesota Center for Bioethics, said a hospital may assign a companion to a child, or administer a sedative to relieve anxiety. Sometimes foster homes catering to medically ill children can help by providing a loving environment and education about what the child needs.

"The kid says he's not sick and the mom says she'll treat it if it's an emergency," Miles said of the Hauser case. "With cancer, if it's an emergency, it's too late."

Brian Lucas, a spokesman at Children's, said ethics experts met Monday to make sure everyone was up to speed on Daniel's case and plan for any possibility.

Caplan said he believes the judge made the right decision.

"This case falls, for me, squarely in the 'You've gotta get him treated' camp," Caplan said. "If it's not life and death, you might not push so hard. If it's not a proven treatment ... you wouldn't push so far."

But doctors may not have to follow the court order "if they feel it can't be carried out — if it's literally impossible to get a needle into this kid," Caplan said.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,520607,00.html

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Re: Judge rules family can't refuse chemo for boy
« Reply #58 on: May 19, 2009, 03:56:52 PM »
Minnesota Boy With Cancer Vows to Resist Chemotherapy by Punching, Kicking
Tuesday, May 19, 2009 

A judge has ruled Daniel Hauser, 13, must get medical treatment for a highly treatable form of cancer.
A 13-year-old boy's vow to resist chemotherapy by punching or kicking anyone who tries to force it on him will present doctors with a tough task if they can't change his mind.

A judge was due Tuesday to hear the results of his order that Daniel Hauser undergo a chest X-ray and his family pick an oncologist to be treated for Hodgkin's lymphoma.

Related: Judge Forces 13-Year-Old to Undergo Cancer Treatments

Daniel and his parents stopped chemotherapy after one treatment and opted for "alternative medicines," prompting Brown County authorities to intervene. The cancer is regarded as highly curable with chemotherapy and radiation, but is likely fatal without it.

Daniel was scheduled for an X-ray Monday. His attorneys couldn't confirm he kept the appointment, and calls to the Hauser home rang unanswered.

"It can be very difficult to treat a 13-year-old boy who doesn't want to be treated," said Arthur Caplan, chair of the medical ethics department at the University of Pennsylvania. "I don't want to say it's impossible, but it makes it very tough on the doctors."

Last week, Brown County District Judge John Rodenberg ruled that Daniel's parents, Colleen and Anthony Hauser, were medically neglecting him.

Rodenberg said if a new X-ray showed a good prognosis, chemotherapy and possible radiation appeared to be in his best interest. Chemotherapy would not be ordered if the cancer was too advanced.

If chemotherapy was ordered and the family refused, Daniel would be placed in temporary custody. It wasn't immediately known where the boy might be treated or how medicine would be administered if he fights it.

Caplan said the medical community recognized a person's right to refuse treatments — but those rights didn't extend to incompetent people or children. Still, he said: "It is hard to treat someone who won't cooperate." Restraints could be used.

Officials at some Minnesota hospitals that treat cancer in children described several methods they would try to break through the boy's resistance.

Dr. Steven Miles, a professor of medicine and bioethics at the University of Minnesota Center for Bioethics, said a hospital may assign a companion to a child, or administer a sedative to relieve anxiety. Sometimes foster homes catering to medically ill children can help by providing a loving environment and education about what the child needs.

"The kid says he's not sick and the mom says she'll treat it if it's an emergency," Miles said of the Hauser case. "With cancer, if it's an emergency, it's too late."

Brian Lucas, a spokesman at Children's, said ethics experts met Monday to make sure everyone was up to speed on Daniel's case and plan for any possibility.

Caplan said he believes the judge made the right decision.

"This case falls, for me, squarely in the 'You've gotta get him treated' camp," Caplan said. "If it's not life and death, you might not push so hard. If it's not a proven treatment ... you wouldn't push so far."

But doctors may not have to follow the court order "if they feel it can't be carried out — if it's literally impossible to get a needle into this kid," Caplan said.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,520607,00.html

I have to agree with what's going on here.  It's just too bad that a court order has to made to get it done.

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Re: Judge rules family can't refuse chemo for boy
« Reply #59 on: May 19, 2009, 04:08:39 PM »
I have to agree with what's going on here.  It's just too bad that a court order has to made to get it done.

I really don't know what to think.  I'd be really reluctant to start having the government, courts, etc. make decisions for parents. 

It also looks like they're going to have trouble forcing him to undergo treatment.  What then?  Arrest him?   

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Re: Judge rules family can't refuse chemo for boy
« Reply #60 on: May 20, 2009, 04:16:41 PM »
He's on the lam. 

Father in chemo case says mom, sick boy left country
     
SLEEPY EYE, Minnesota (CNN) -- The father of a 13-year-old boy whose family is refusing treatment for his cancer said Wednesday he believes his son and his wife have left the country.

"I will say this: I have left a call to where I think they could possibly be," Anthony Hauser said from his home in Sleepy Eye, Minnesota, about 85 miles southwest of Minneapolis.

Asked whether he believes that they have gone to Canada, he said, "I'm not saying it's Canada. You know, that isn't where I left my call."

He made his comments a day after a Minnesota judge issued an arrest warrant for his wife, Colleen, who failed to appear with the boy at a court hearing. A judge scheduled the hearing to review an X-ray ordered by the court to assess whether Daniel Hauser's Hodgkin's lymphoma was worsening.

A doctor testified at the hearing that the X-ray showed "significant worsening."

In a news release, the Brown County Sheriff's Office said the father had been "cooperative" in helping them find his son but added, "the investigators cannot speculate on the sincerity of the information that Anthony Hauser has provided."

The sheriff's office has been in touch with the FBI, and the boy has been entered in the Missing and Exploited Children network, it said.

Anthony Hauser testified at the hearing that he last saw his wife at the family's farm on Monday night, when she told him she was going to leave "for a time."

He later said he would like his wife and son to return.

"I'd like to tell them, you know, 'Come back and be safe and be a family again,' " he said. "That's what I'd like to tell them."  Watch father urge the pair to come back »

District Judge John R. Rodenberg of Brown County, Minnesota, said the boy's "best interests" require him to receive medical care. His family opposes the proposed course of treatment, which includes chemotherapy.

"It is imperative that Daniel receive the attention of an oncologist as soon as possible," the judge wrote.

During Tuesday's hearing, Dr. James Joyce testified that he had seen the boy and his mother on Monday at his office. He said that the boy had "an enlarged lymph node" near his right clavicle and that the X-ray showed "significant worsening" of a mass in his chest.

In addition, the boy complained of "extreme pain" at the site where a port had been inserted to deliver an initial round of chemotherapy. The pain was "most likely caused by the tumor or mass pressing on the port," testified Joyce, who called the X-ray "fairly dramatic" evidence that the cancer was worsening.  Watch CNN's Dr. Gupta discuss Daniel's chances »

Rodenberg ordered custody of the boy transferred to Brown County Family Services and issued a contempt order for the mother.

Philip Elbert, Daniel's court-appointed attorney, said that he considers his client to have a "diminished capacity" for reasons of his age and the illness and that he thinks Daniel should be treated by a cancer specialist.

Elbert added that he does not think Daniel -- who, according to court papers, cannot read -- has enough information to make an informed decision regarding his treatment.

Daniel's symptoms of persistent cough, fatigue and swollen lymph nodes were diagnosed in January as Hodgkin's lymphoma. In February, the cancer responded well to an initial round of chemotherapy, but the treatment's side effects concerned the boy's parents, who then opted not to pursue further chemo and instead sought out other medical opinions.

Court documents show that doctors estimated the boy's chance of five-year remission with more chemotherapy and possibly radiation at 80 percent to 95 percent.

But the family opted for a holistic medical treatment based upon Native American healing practices called Nemenhah and rejected further treatment.

In a written statement issued last week, an attorney for the parents said they "believe that the injection of chemotherapy into Danny Hauser amounts to an assault upon his body, and torture when it occurs over a long period of time."

Medical ethicists say parents generally have a legal right to make decisions for their children, but there is a limit.

"You have a right, but not an open-ended right," Arthur Caplan, director of the center for bioethics at the University of Pennsylvania, said last week. "You can't compromise the life of your child."

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/05/20/minnesota.forced.chemo/index.html

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Re: Judge rules family can't refuse chemo for boy
« Reply #61 on: May 20, 2009, 10:04:42 PM »
I have to go by my life experiences in questions of parental authority over children...Many don't like my views but in my experience I feel parents have entirely too much authority over their children.

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Re: Judge rules family can't refuse chemo for boy
« Reply #62 on: May 21, 2009, 01:33:41 PM »
I have to go by my life experiences in questions of parental authority over children...Many don't like my views but in my experience I feel parents have entirely too much authority over their children.

Sync what age groups are you talking about? 

Also, how do you think parents' authority over their kids should be limited? 

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Re: Judge rules family can't refuse chemo for boy
« Reply #63 on: May 26, 2009, 12:54:49 PM »
He's back.

Hearing Tuesday for 13-year-old cancer patient
     
NEW ULM, Minnesota (CNN) -- A review hearing has been scheduled for Tuesday afternoon in the case of a 13-year-old cancer patient who fled from Minnesota with his mother in an attempt to avoid chemotherapy.

Daniel Hauser and his mother, Colleen Hauser, were last seen in their hometown of Sleepy Eye on May 18, one day after a doctor said the boy's Hodgkin's lymphoma was worsening.

Hodgkin's lymphoma is a type of cancer that affects the lymphatic system, which is part of the immune system. As the disease progresses, it compromises a body's ability to fight infection.

Colleen Hauser was planning to take Daniel to Mexico for natural treatment, but decided to return home, a family spokesman said Tuesday.

"They were down in California ... on the way to Mexico," Dan Zwakman told CNN's "American Morning."

"They were seeking an alternate treatment ... the natural herbal and such different therapies versus the chemo and radiation they do in America."  Watch spokesman describe family's emotions »

On Monday, the lawyer for the Hausers said the mother will accept whatever course of treatment a court may order. Colleen Hauser is prepared to allow her son Daniel to undergo chemotherapy, defense lawyer Jennifer Keller said.

"My understanding is that Colleen intends to abide by whatever orders the court makes and that she wants to put her best case forward for her son to have a chance at alternative treatment," Keller told CNN.

Judge John R. Rodenberg of the Brown County District Court issued an arrest warrant for Colleen Hauser when she and her son failed to show up for a court hearing May 19. He said the boy's "best interests" require he receive conventional medical care

The warrant was rescinded after the pair's return.

Zwakman said Daniel was evaluated by a doctor after his arrival. He did not know about the doctor's findings, he said, but the teen seemed to be in good spirits.

"Danny was out with the weed whacker attacking the weeds in the garden," Zwakman said.

The hearing in New Ulm, Minnesota, is planned for 2 or 2:30 p.m.

The Hausers returned to their hometown at 3 a.m. Monday aboard a chartered flight paid for by Asgaard Media of Corona, California. The company describes itself on its Web site as "founded and advised by a group of forward-thinking, positive-minded individuals wanting to make a difference."

Attempts to reach the company Tuesday were unsuccessful.

Zwakman said the planned trip to Mexico became too overwhelming for the Hausers.

"Being on the road and being nowhere, probably the first time being out in their own area, they hit a wall and didn't know what else to do," Zwakman said.

In February, the boy's cancer responded to an initial round of chemotherapy. But the treatment's side effects concerned the boy's parents, who decided not to pursue further chemotherapy and solicited other medical opinions. The family opted instead for a holistic medical treatment based on Native American healing practices called Nemenhah.

Daniel's symptoms of persistent cough, fatigue and swollen lymph nodes were diagnosed in January as Hodgkin's lymphoma. Court documents show doctors estimated the boy's chance of five-year remission with more chemotherapy, and possibly radiation, at 80 to 95 percent.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/05/26/minnesota.forced.chemo/index.html