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Another nail....a slightly wider wedge....
« on: May 16, 2009, 06:20:51 PM »
Big Brother, Big Savings
Pay As You Drive Insurance Trades Privacy For A Discount

Progressive's Pay As You Drive DeviceTim Goodwin doesn't spend much time behind the wheel of his 2004 Chevy Tahoe. Even though he only covers about 3,000 miles per year -- using it just for weekend trips -- he had, until recently, been getting no special deal on his insurance for driving so little.

Six months ago, the Springfield, Missouri property supervisor found a policy that gives him a break. So far he's saved about $48 -- or ten percent -- over six months compared to a traditional premium.

There's a catch; his insurance company, Progressive, is monitoring every move he makes behind the wheel.

Goodwin is fine with it, and says that just knowing that a small transceiver is reporting his driving behavior back to the insurance company helps him drive more carefully.

"There's this Big Brother thing, but it's good," Goodwin said. "Since I know I'm being watched, I'm on my best behavior."

Goodwin noted that he's now less likely to speed.

"You'll, in effect trade a degree of privacy for a lower rate" in such a pay-as-you-drive policy, explains Mike Barry, vice president of media relations for the Insurance Information Institute. "They know not only how many miles you drive but how and when you drive."

For now, MyRate is the only widely available pay-as-you-go auto policy -- available now in nine states (Alabama, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, New Jersey, and Oregon), with at least three more expected by the end of the summer. There are "tens of thousands" of drivers already enrolled, according to Progressive, and one in four existing customers of the company who've become eligible for the program have opted in.


Progressive's Pay As You Drive DeviceProgressive says that MyRate may save up to 25 percent versus a traditional premium if you travel less than 10,000 miles per year, are a defensive driver, and rarely drive past midnight. What bad behaviors does the system look for? Sudden starts and stops, and driving during higher-risk times, will raise the rate -- by up to 9 percent in states where a surcharge is permitted. Progressive says that if you drive even once a week between midnight and 4 a.m. the policy probably isn't a good choice. On the flip side, smooth rural drivers who cover more than 15,000 miles a year could also save 20 percent or more.

Several other insurers, including Allstate, Unigard, and The Hartford, are testing usage-based policies; and GMAC Insurance now offers a low-mileage discount of up to 54 percent to drivers of late-model GM vehicles -- with mileage reported by the onboard OnStar communication and safety system. Another company, MileMeter, offers a system (only in Texas) through which customers pre-pay for a certain number of miles of coverage, as verified simply through the vehicle's odometer reading.

In various forms, pay-as-you-drive policies are already offered in Canada, the U.K., Japan, Israel, the Netherlands, and South Africa, but for now the wider adoption of such policies in the U.S. has been slowed by the differences between in requirements in each state.

Why So Long Coming?

Tully Lehman, a spokesman for the insurance industry in California, a state that has recently laid the framework for pay-as-you-drive policies, says that the biggest concern with surveillance-based systems like Progressive's is privacy. But there are also worries with the misinterpretation of the driving-style data.

"For instance, when the company sees hard braking," it could be driver inattention or carelessness, Lehman said. "Or, it could be a dog in the road." It also could be any number of things that have nothing to do with the driver's behavior.

Another issue is that the very vehicle you drive might not qualify you for much of a discount if it has touchy brakes or spirited acceleration; the company doesn't correct for the fact that some cars are more "responsive" than others. A Buick driver, for instance, might get more of a discount than a Mini Cooper driver simply because of the way the vehicles respond. MyRate doesn't differentiate between drivers, either.


Progressive's Pay As You Drive DeviceMyRate users are able to log in and see an assessment of their driving style, along with charts and graphs and a running trip record.

While privacy advocates might already be up in arms over the data set -- which won't be shared with third parties but could be kept for up to six years -- they'll be somewhat relieved to hear that MyRate doesn't have GPS capabilities. The system knows 'when' and 'how' you drive, but not 'where.' For that, we'll leave the controversy to the GPS locators in cell phones.

Tracking exactly where users go would create serious privacy concerns, admits Steve McKay, product manager for MyRate.

"Knowing location wouldn't add a lot to the predictive value either," McKay said.

The state of California in 2006 outlawed the pricing of policies by zip code, along with several other factors.

Although the future of pay-as-you-drive plans might rest in GPS-based systems that do track where you go, it's now looking like a distant future. California has also recently adopted new regulations that set the framework for pay-as-you-go policies, but the state's insurance commissioner, Steven Poizner, is especially conscious of the privacy concerns that the technology brings.

"I will not approve any auto insurance policy that aims to utilize GPS devices in order to obtain location data from consumers," Poizner said in a release last year.

State and federal governments also have their eye on GPS systems as a new way of figuring road tax in the future. With the projected long-term market swing away from conventional gasoline vehicles toward more efficient plug-in hybrids and electric vehicles, many state officials are worried about dwindling revenue for highways. Currently, road taxes are collected via a per-gallon gasoline tax. Just earlier this year, U.S. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood proposed a mileage-based method for calculating road tax, and several states, including Oregon, have tested a GPS-based system that would assess road tax.

Nudges Drivers To Be Safer And Greener

Drivers might simply choose pay-as-you-drive policies to get a break on their premium. But it'll likely save them even more in the long run; because they'll probably drive their cars gentler, get better gas mileage, put less wear on their vehicles, and be less prone to getting tickets.

"Just leaving the device in your car changes your behavior," Allstate spokesman Raleigh Floyd said. Because the company is scoring the driver's actions and there are measurable rewards for good behavior. "It becomes more game-like--and the benefit is that you're a safer driver."

Even Goodwin admits that he finds restraint in his Tahoe when he wouldn't have before.

"Now when I just want to floor it, I don't," he said.

They're likely to reduce their trips as well. According to a report from the Brookings Institution, if motorists paid for their auto insurance by the mile, driving would decline by about eight percent nationwide, significantly reducing carbon-dioxide emissions and gasoline consumption, and nearly two-thirds of drivers would pay less for auto insurance.

Major environmental groups and safety advocates are also on board; the ten-percent decline in driving anticipated by the Environmental Defense Fund would not only reduce air pollution and toxic runoff but also translate to saved lives, through a 17-percent reduction in crashes.

Even Progressive agrees that a pay-as-you-drive policy won't be right for everyone. Those who value their privacy or want to drive however they please can rest assured; there will still be traditional policies for the foreseeable future, experts say.

But if you're willing to take your insurer along for the ride, you might soon have a lot of money-saving options.


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Re: Another nail....a slightly wider wedge....
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2009, 06:22:26 PM »
For those of you who don't like to read...They are talking about devices on cars that record your driving statistics...and report them...

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Re: Another nail....a slightly wider wedge....
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2009, 06:35:21 PM »
For those of you who don't like to read...They are talking about devices on cars that record your driving statistics...and report them...

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Re: Another nail....a slightly wider wedge....
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2009, 06:45:16 PM »
Yes, but whatever you call them, it's less freedom....another thumb to be placed under....

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Re: Another nail....a slightly wider wedge....
« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2009, 12:22:07 AM »
It's stupid. Just another intrusive tool to track & monitor citizens.  >:(

Penalizing you for hard braking? wtf?
Maybe that hard braking saved you from hitting a stupid kid who ran out into the road?
That hard braking could have infact saved the insurance company money.
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Re: Another nail....a slightly wider wedge....
« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2009, 02:32:34 AM »
It's stupid. Just another intrusive tool to track & monitor citizens.  >:(

Penalizing you for hard braking? wtf?
Maybe that hard braking saved you from hitting a stupid kid who ran out into the road?
That hard braking could have infact saved the insurance company money.

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Re: Another nail....a slightly wider wedge....
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2009, 02:44:27 AM »
Softly - softly - catchy Monkey

There's a little guy in my neighbourhood who was asleep when they went through Elmer's Safety Rules.
I've had to slam on the brakes at least 3x's to prevent him ending up as a splat on the pavement.
I'm not the only one too. I've seen him take at least 10 yrs off the life of at least 2 other drivers.
He's a cute little guy, but dammit I wish his parents would teach him a thing or two about not jumping out from between parked cars!  >:(  It's even worse in my neighbourhood because of all the SUVs.

I think if it happens again, I'm gonna pull over, drag the little puke by his ear, and scream at him til he cries!  >:(
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Re: Another nail....a slightly wider wedge....
« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2009, 03:11:13 AM »

I think if it happens again, I'm gonna pull over, drag the little puke by his ear, and scream at him til he cries!  >:(

Fuck it do it any-way  ;D ;D

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Re: Another nail....a slightly wider wedge....
« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2009, 06:01:43 AM »
Fuck it do it any-way  ;D ;D

Fucking brats...........

He really is a cute little kid, ...very sweet, ...he just keeps forgetting not to run out from between parked cars.  :-\

If I'm gonna do it, ...I better do it quick.
At the rate at which he's growing, ...in a few years, he might be as big as me.  :o
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Re: Another nail....a slightly wider wedge....
« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2009, 06:08:54 AM »
Another sign of the failed economy. People can't afford insurance and are trading privacy for coverage.

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Re: Another nail....a slightly wider wedge....
« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2009, 07:28:36 AM »
He really is a cute little kid, ...very sweet, ...he just keeps forgetting not to run out from between parked cars.  :-\

If I'm gonna do it, ...I better do it quick.
At the rate at which he's growing, ...in a few years, he might be as big as me.  :o

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Re: Another nail....a slightly wider wedge....
« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2009, 09:53:49 PM »
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« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2009, 09:55:46 PM »
Fuck sakes  >:(

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« Reply #14 on: May 18, 2009, 11:06:34 PM »
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Goodwin is fine with it, and says that just knowing that a small transceiver is reporting his driving behavior back to the insurance company helps him drive more carefully.

"There's this Big Brother thing, but it's good," Goodwin said. "Since I know I'm being watched, I'm on my best behavior."

Goodwin noted that he's now less likely to speed.

this is ridiculous!

shouldn't his own safety help him drive more carefully? Shouldn't this be everyones responsibility so then we could all have lower insurance premiums?

This guy is a fuckin retard

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Re: Another nail....a slightly wider wedge....
« Reply #15 on: May 18, 2009, 11:19:48 PM »
And to save 48 bucks ::)  Dude will sign on to being monitored for 48 bucks... wow.

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Re: Another nail....a slightly wider wedge....
« Reply #16 on: May 19, 2009, 01:04:39 AM »
Are you Female ??

Uh-huh, ...and I have all the anatomical parts to prove it too.   :P
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Re: Another nail....a slightly wider wedge....
« Reply #17 on: May 19, 2009, 01:09:03 AM »
Uh-huh, ...and I have all the anatomical parts to prove it too.   :P

Doctors & nurses ??

JK !!


It is just odd to see women on BB'ing forums, tis all.

I think it adds a good balance, but not enough of you around though !!.

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« Reply #18 on: May 19, 2009, 01:37:52 AM »
Doctors & nurses ??

JK !!


It is just odd to see women on BB'ing forums, tis all.

I think it adds a good balance, but not enough of you around though !!.

Matt.

Dah! With all the in-the-closet misogynists who are trolling these boards, ...whaddya expect?
And that doesn't even include all the internet bad-asses suffering from testosterone-induced brain damage.
You know the type, ...I'm bigger than you... I can kick your ass... I'm not afraid to commit heinous violence...
the kind of jerkwad that just makes women go YAWN Zzzzzz's...NEXT! No shortage of those unfortunately.  ;)

ps: You can usually tell who the in-the-closet types are.
They're the ones that usually troll on and attack the women who post. Scared of what they see as competition
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Re: Another nail....a slightly wider wedge....
« Reply #19 on: May 19, 2009, 01:50:34 AM »

And that doesn't even include all the internet bad-asses suffering from testosterone-induced brain damage.
You know the type, ...I'm bigger than you... I can kick your ass... I'm not afraid to commit heinous violence...

Shit
that discription = me - OH-MY (engage embarrassment mode, blood filling cheeks)

ps: You can usually tell who the in-the-closet types are.
They're the ones that usually troll on and attack the women who post. Scared of what they see as competition

Well that is not my bag, so this one I am - NOT - guilty of. ;) ;D :-*
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Re: Another nail....a slightly wider wedge....
« Reply #20 on: May 19, 2009, 02:18:06 AM »

Shit
that discription = me - OH-MY (engage embarrassment mode, blood filling cheeks)

Ya know, ...there's a little emoticon for that.  ;)

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Well that is not my bag, so this one I am - NOT - guilty of. ;) ;D :-*

I already know your sins.  ;)
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Re: Another nail....a slightly wider wedge....
« Reply #21 on: May 19, 2009, 07:14:49 AM »


I already know your sins.  ;)

OH-MY.

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Re: Another nail....a slightly wider wedge....
« Reply #22 on: May 19, 2009, 07:19:40 AM »
OH-MY.

Do you train - light-weight/train 'CV' ??

{blush} feather light  :-[  I'm more a body sculptor than a body builder/weight trainer.  :)
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Re: Another nail....a slightly wider wedge....
« Reply #23 on: May 19, 2009, 07:20:56 AM »
{blush} feather light  :-[  I'm more a body sculptor than a body builder/weight trainer.  :)

So you are in condition then ??
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« Reply #24 on: May 19, 2009, 07:24:02 AM »
So you are in condition then ??

Uh-huh  :)
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