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Re: what was the purpose of WWII
« Reply #25 on: May 20, 2009, 11:54:30 AM »
Aside from all that...

Does anybody here think maybe the Nazis were the lesser of two evils? Hitler killed 6 million jews. Stalin killed an estimated 26 million of all kinds!

Would Nazi rule really be worse than communism?

I would rather live under Fascism than Communism.

Lets take a look:
Combined military and civilian deaths from WW2:

Russia  29 million
China 21 million
Poland 6 million
Germany 5 million

source:  "Dirty little secrets of WW2"  James Dunnigan

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Re: what was the purpose of WWII
« Reply #26 on: May 20, 2009, 12:09:09 PM »
Lets take a look:
Combined military and civilian deaths from WW2:

Russia  29 million
China 21 million
Poland 6 million
Germany 5 million

source:  "Dirty little secrets of WW2"  James Dunnigan

What do feel that those stats tell us 'OZY baby' - the 6 mill in Poland looks a bit spurious 'IMO'
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Re: what was the purpose of WWII
« Reply #27 on: May 20, 2009, 12:14:47 PM »
Lets take a look:
Combined military and civilian deaths from WW2:

Russia  29 million
China 21 million
Poland 6 million
Germany 5 million

source:  "Dirty little secrets of WW2"  James Dunnigan

That must be a college textbook. Cheap copies on Amazon are like 30 bucks +...

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Re: what was the purpose of WWII
« Reply #28 on: May 20, 2009, 12:15:13 PM »
What do feel that those stats tell us 'OZY baby' - the 6 mill in Poland looks a bit spurious 'IMO'

I think it's mostly civilian... Remember, when the Germans invaded Poland they slaughtered civilians and military personnel at will.

Then, when the Soviets came through, they also killed civilians but portrayed themselves as the "freedom fighters", then when the Germans needed to roll through to Moscow, they had to run right through Poland.

Poland was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

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Re: what was the purpose of WWII
« Reply #29 on: May 20, 2009, 12:58:20 PM »
Mods - Can the Pillow talk anti-Jew stuff be deleted?  It has nothing to do with the topic or anything other than a personal (and highly offensive) view point. 

It should not be tolerated.  Matt C has stated he was told by Ron it was okay to spill his new age nazi-like propaganda on the political board.  Please put a stop to this.  It is unnecessary and only detracts from actual political arguments. 
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Re: what was the purpose of WWII
« Reply #30 on: May 20, 2009, 01:02:36 PM »
That must be a college textbook. Cheap copies on Amazon are like 30 bucks +...

Actually $15 at Barnes about 10 years ago.

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Re: what was the purpose of WWII
« Reply #31 on: May 20, 2009, 01:03:18 PM »
What do feel that those stats tell us 'OZY baby' - the 6 mill in Poland looks a bit spurious 'IMO'

Do some research and check it out.  Opinions are a dime a dozen.   ;)

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Re: what was the purpose of WWII
« Reply #32 on: May 20, 2009, 01:04:47 PM »
I think it's mostly civilian... Remember, when the Germans invaded Poland they slaughtered civilians and military personnel at will.

Then, when the Soviets came through, they also killed civilians but portrayed themselves as the "freedom fighters", then when the Germans needed to roll through to Moscow, they had to run right through Poland.

Poland was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Poland:

5.6 million civilians

597K  Military.

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Re: what was the purpose of WWII
« Reply #33 on: May 20, 2009, 01:47:22 PM »
Mods - Can the Pillow talk anti-Jew stuff be deleted?  It has nothing to do with the topic or anything other than a personal (and highly offensive) view point. 

It should not be tolerated.  Matt C has stated he was told by Ron it was okay to spill his new age nazi-like propaganda on the political board.  Please put a stop to this.  It is unnecessary and only detracts from actual political arguments. 

Mods - Can we ban kcballer too? He bitches and whines about the same conversation that happened weeks ago, and throws out personal insults and never once refutes or counters the argument of the day.

He is acting like a liberal.   :o

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Re: what was the purpose of WWII
« Reply #34 on: May 20, 2009, 01:56:32 PM »
Mods - Can we ban kcballer too? He bitches and whines about the same conversation that happened weeks ago, and throws out personal insults and never once refutes or counters the argument of the day.

He is acting like a liberal.   :o

This is the first time I've seen him here.  As for PT.  He mostly Ad-hom's.  I've haven't been notified of anything direct.

I'm going to ban myself in about 20 minutes for 7 hours.   :D

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Re: what was the purpose of WWII
« Reply #35 on: May 20, 2009, 01:57:19 PM »
To show off our 2 kids Little Boy and Fat Man!!

and yes, I approved.

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Re: what was the purpose of WWII
« Reply #36 on: May 20, 2009, 02:48:31 PM »
OMG...talk about CT!!!

People here think that WW2 was orchestrated to create NASA  LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.

Did you all forget about some dude named Hitler that attacked every country he could?
Or that tiny incident called Pearl Harbor?

Fuck this...some of you people are fucking retards. :o

BTW, it's common knowledge that war accelerates technology due to necessity,less bureaucracy,bigger budgets and more testing grounds....fucking CT....we should start banning people here for such idiotic remarks.

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Re: what was the purpose of WWII
« Reply #37 on: May 20, 2009, 02:51:38 PM »
Didn't Bush's grandpa support the Nazis?

That's the rumor.

They're all dirty.... Republican... Democrat... whatever.


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Re: what was the purpose of WWII
« Reply #38 on: May 20, 2009, 04:14:46 PM »
WW2 was started because Hitler was running out of money and need to instigate a war before he went broke.
He could of attacked other nations than Poland which would not have triggered the war.
Also the interment and seizure of Jewish, homosexual and other minority property was one of the main ways Hitler used to fund the war.

The point of the war was a new European order. Just like World War 1.
Replacing Britain and France with Germany and Japan running independent spheres.
That's common knowledge.

It didn't quite work out that way.
Both America and Russia became super powers thanks to the war.
Britain, France, Germany and Japan were all broke.
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Re: what was the purpose of WWII
« Reply #39 on: May 20, 2009, 11:27:54 PM »
Mods - Can the Pillow talk anti-Jew stuff be deleted?  It has nothing to do with the topic or anything other than a personal (and highly offensive) view point. 

It should not be tolerated.  Matt C has stated he was told by Ron it was okay to spill his new age nazi-like propaganda on the political board.  Please put a stop to this.  It is unnecessary and only detracts from actual political arguments. 

Why does this, mewling little Kitten, with a minuscule, post count get my post on the rise of 'National socialism' taken off the thread ??
IT was 'ON-T' - factual, & had every-thing to do with the rise of WWII & the final solution !!

This knee jerk reaction of 'antisemitism' is getting boring, they have been using it for over 60 years to hide their 'diddly dealings' !!
If I just said all JOO's are shit bags (for no reason) that is antisemitism' - but I gave a factual account of how the feeling against JOO's got to the level it did.
Oh we are on a slippery slope here - oh yes indeed !!

Let us not forget (from my my recent posts) that 'Rahm' wants to turn the US in-to Germany/Canada & many others, where it is a crime to say such things !! facts or not = jail time !!
That is when we are truly fucked.

So keep on deleting the posts - & don't forget to tip the hat to your 'pay-masters' when you are done removing the - facts - from the historical record !!

Makes me quite ill 'TBH'  :-X :-X :-X


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Re: what was the purpose of WWII
« Reply #40 on: May 20, 2009, 11:44:58 PM »
Are these historical facts, backed up by the news paper articles of the day & Himmler's (authenticated diaries) also anti-semitic ??

Theodor Herzl (1860-1904), the founder of modern Zionism, recognized that anti-Semitism would further his cause, the creation of a separate state for Jews. To solve the Jewish Question, he maintained “we must, above all, make it an international political issue.”Herzl wrote that Zionism offered the world a welcome “final solution of the Jewish question.”In his “Diaries”, page 19, Herzl stated “Anti-Semites will become our surest friends, anti-Semitic countries our allies.”

Wow !! then out of the 'Nuremberg trials' comes the 'HOLOCAUST' - how very convenient.



 Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis


Zionism was supported by the 'German SS' & Gestapo. Hitler (avatar of LORD VISHNU)himself personally supported Zionism.

During the 1930’s, in cooperation with the German authorities, Zionist groups organized a network of some 40 camps throughout Germany where prospective settlers were trained for their new lives in Palestine. As late as 1942 Zionists operated at least one of these officially authorized “Kibbutz” training camps over which flew the 'Blue & White banner' which would one day be adopted as the national flag of “Israel”.

The Transfer Agreement (which promoted the emigration of German Jews to Palestine) implemented in 1933 & abandoned at the beginning of WWII is an important example of the cooperation between Hitler’s Germany & international (JOO's)  Zionism.  Through this agreement, 'Hitler’s Third Reich' did more than any other government during the 1930’s to support Jewish development in Palestine and further the Zionist goals (why ?? because he wanted them out of his countries economy).

Hitler & the Zionists had a common goal:  to create a world Jewish Ghetto as a solution to the Jewish Question.


The Zionist so-called “World Jewish Congress” declared war on the country of Germany,knowing that it would affect their Jewish brothers residing in that country who would be left (as collateral damage for the cause) without protection.  When others tried to help them escape to other countries, the Zionist movement took actions which caused those countries to lock their doors to Jewish immigration (read more in the books, “Perfidy” & “Min Hametzer”).
As a result of the Zionist influence five ships of Jewish refugees from Germany arriving in the United States were turned back to the labor camps.

The fundamental aim of the - Zionist movement - has been not to save Jewish lives but to create a “Jewish state” in Palestine !!

On December 7, 1938, Ben Gurion, the first head of the Zionist ‘state of Israel’ declared “If I knew it was possible to save all the children in Germany by taking them to England, & only half of the children by taking them to Eretz Israel, I would choose the second solution.  For we must take into account not only the lives of these children but also the history of the people of Israel.” (speaks volumes, huh ??)

On August 31, 1949, Ben Gurion stated: “Although we have realized our dream of creating a Jewish State, we are only at the beginning.  There are still only 900,000 Jews in Israel, whereas the majority of the Jewish people still remains abroad.  Our future task is to bring all the Jews to Israel.”

Of the two & a half Million JOO's seeking refuge from the Nazis between 1935 and 1943, less than 9% went to settle in Palestine.  The vast majority, 75%, went to the Soviet Union (why ??), because the Soviet oligarchy were JOO's !!

In the mid-70’s, more people emigrated out of ‘Israel’ than came in.  The only surges of immigration to the Zionist state have occurred during anti-Semitic threats & persecution in foreign countries.

It follows that for the Zionist state to achieve its goal of a 'Jewish world ghetto' anti-Semitism must be promoted & encouraged, as we have seen, by acts of violence if necessary.

 “To attain its practical objectives, Zionism hopes it will be able to collaborate with a government that is fundamentally hostile to the Jews”.
The use of anti-Semitism as a tool to coerce immigration to the Zionist state continues to the present day.
The JOO's on occupied land, however, have to build the settlements on hills (medieval forts) so as to give the best all round 'line of sight' for target acquisition.
So now they live in a self imposed war zone - with 'compulsory military service' for both male & female.
Yeah, looks like fun from here also !! (muffled laughter)

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Re: what was the purpose of WWII
« Reply #41 on: May 21, 2009, 01:48:11 AM »
Pillowbiter, stop melting down on an hourly basis, you waste Ron bandwidth for nothing, no one reads your long and boring posts.

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Re: what was the purpose of WWII
« Reply #42 on: May 21, 2009, 01:53:56 AM »
Pillowbiter, stop melting down on an hourly basis, you waste Ron bandwidth for nothing, no one reads your long and boring posts.

I hate the State.

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Re: what was the purpose of WWII
« Reply #43 on: May 21, 2009, 03:17:58 AM »
Pillowbiter, stop melting down on an hourly basis, you waste Ron bandwidth for nothing, no one reads your long and boring posts.

When I am up a hill-station in 'Gujerat' with a satellite dish/mini-TV - watching the shit kicking of all around you, in the land of the brave & the home of the free (to do as we tell you).
I will give a special prayer out to our 'sprained little soul' who's third eye is clogged with corporate media gunk - 'IFBBwannabe'.

When you are on your way (after the declaration of a 'state of emegency') to an internment camp (under the 'FEMA' act) for your own safety, I will pray for you.

God speed my sprained little soul (to the next life) may the 'eternal Rahman'  take pity on you
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Re: what was the purpose of WWII
« Reply #44 on: May 21, 2009, 08:10:34 AM »
Are these historical facts, backed up by the news paper articles of the day & Himmler's (authenticated diaries) also anti-semitic ??

Theodor Herzl (1860-1904), the founder of modern Zionism, recognized that anti-Semitism would further his cause, the creation of a separate state for Jews. To solve the Jewish Question, he maintained “we must, above all, make it an international political issue.”Herzl wrote that Zionism offered the world a welcome “final solution of the Jewish question.”In his “Diaries”, page 19, Herzl stated “Anti-Semites will become our surest friends, anti-Semitic countries our allies.”

Wow !! then out of the 'Nuremberg trials' comes the 'HOLOCAUST' - how very convenient.



 Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis


Zionism was supported by the 'German SS' & Gestapo. Hitler (avatar of LORD VISHNU)himself personally supported Zionism.

During the 1930’s, in cooperation with the German authorities, Zionist groups organized a network of some 40 camps throughout Germany where prospective settlers were trained for their new lives in Palestine. As late as 1942 Zionists operated at least one of these officially authorized “Kibbutz” training camps over which flew the 'Blue & White banner' which would one day be adopted as the national flag of “Israel”.

The Transfer Agreement (which promoted the emigration of German Jews to Palestine) implemented in 1933 & abandoned at the beginning of WWII is an important example of the cooperation between Hitler’s Germany & international (JOO's)  Zionism.  Through this agreement, 'Hitler’s Third Reich' did more than any other government during the 1930’s to support Jewish development in Palestine and further the Zionist goals (why ?? because he wanted them out of his countries economy).

Hitler & the Zionists had a common goal:  to create a world Jewish Ghetto as a solution to the Jewish Question.


The Zionist so-called “World Jewish Congress” declared war on the country of Germany,knowing that it would affect their Jewish brothers residing in that country who would be left (as collateral damage for the cause) without protection.  When others tried to help them escape to other countries, the Zionist movement took actions which caused those countries to lock their doors to Jewish immigration (read more in the books, “Perfidy” & “Min Hametzer”).
As a result of the Zionist influence five ships of Jewish refugees from Germany arriving in the United States were turned back to the labor camps.

The fundamental aim of the - Zionist movement - has been not to save Jewish lives but to create a “Jewish state” in Palestine !!

On December 7, 1938, Ben Gurion, the first head of the Zionist ‘state of Israel’ declared “If I knew it was possible to save all the children in Germany by taking them to England, & only half of the children by taking them to Eretz Israel, I would choose the second solution.  For we must take into account not only the lives of these children but also the history of the people of Israel.” (speaks volumes, huh ??)

On August 31, 1949, Ben Gurion stated: “Although we have realized our dream of creating a Jewish State, we are only at the beginning.  There are still only 900,000 Jews in Israel, whereas the majority of the Jewish people still remains abroad.  Our future task is to bring all the Jews to Israel.”

Of the two & a half Million JOO's seeking refuge from the Nazis between 1935 and 1943, less than 9% went to settle in Palestine.  The vast majority, 75%, went to the Soviet Union (why ??), because the Soviet oligarchy were JOO's !!

In the mid-70’s, more people emigrated out of ‘Israel’ than came in.  The only surges of immigration to the Zionist state have occurred during anti-Semitic threats & persecution in foreign countries.

It follows that for the Zionist state to achieve its goal of a 'Jewish world ghetto' anti-Semitism must be promoted & encouraged, as we have seen, by acts of violence if necessary.

 “To attain its practical objectives, Zionism hopes it will be able to collaborate with a government that is fundamentally hostile to the Jews”.
The use of anti-Semitism as a tool to coerce immigration to the Zionist state continues to the present day.
The JOO's on occupied land, however, have to build the settlements on hills (medieval forts) so as to give the best all round 'line of sight' for target acquisition.
So now they live in a self imposed war zone - with 'compulsory military service' for both male & female.
Yeah, looks like fun from here also !! (muffled laughter)

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Surprisingly enough in 1943. Stalin started conquering European countries with large Jewish populations, like the Ukraine.

Also Britain was not letting Jews move into Palestine and was not allowing Jews move into Britain either.
It wasn't emigration since Hitler wasn't let Jews out of Nazi controlled lands.

I am thoroughly convinced that you have no idea about history except for the hate propaganda that you read.
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Re: what was the purpose of WWII
« Reply #45 on: May 21, 2009, 08:13:58 AM »
Surprisingly enough in 1943. Stalin started conquering European countries with large Jewish populations, like the Ukraine.

Also Britain was not letting Jews move into Palestine and was not allowing Jews move into Britain either.
It wasn't emigration since Hitler wasn't let Jews out of Nazi controlled lands.

I am thoroughly convinced that you have no idea about history except for the hate propaganda that you read.

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Re: what was the purpose of WWII
« Reply #46 on: May 21, 2009, 08:22:30 AM »
1) Surprisingly enough in 1943. Stalin started conquering European countries with large Jewish populations, like the Ukraine.

2) Also Britain was not letting Jews move into Palestine and was not allowing Jews move into Britain either.
3) It wasn't emigration since Hitler wasn't let Jews out of Nazi controlled lands.

4) I am thoroughly convinced that you have no idea about history except for the hate propaganda that you read.

1) & your point here is ?? (Stalin was a JOO, you do know that, right ??)

2) not quite as cut & dry as that though was it.

3) you have not been paying attention have you ?? hint = 'Havara'

4) I am thoroughly convinced that you have no idea about history except for the media propaganda to which you are subjected.

5) Are you suggesting the above post (of mine is not based on public record facts, news papers of the day - etc) - be very careful how you answer this one !!
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Re: what was the purpose of WWII
« Reply #47 on: May 21, 2009, 08:27:39 AM »
QFT

This reply did not surprise me.

But alas we do not have a 'time machine' & until you can go back in time to these events, so you can see with your own eyes, you Ozmo, will remain the concrete skeptic of any-thing that does not correlate with the 'Paradigm' of your world.

Which leaves you in an evolutionary 'cul-de-sac' my friend. ;D ;D ;)
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Re: what was the purpose of WWII
« Reply #48 on: May 21, 2009, 08:41:00 AM »
1) & your point here is ?? (Stalin was a JOO, you do know that, right ??)

2) not quite as cut & dry as that though was it.

3) you have not been paying attention have you ?? hint = 'Havara'

4) I am thoroughly convinced that you have no idea about history except for the media propaganda to which you are subjected.

5) Are you suggesting the above post (of mine is not based on public record facts, news papers of the day - etc) - be very careful how you answer this one !!


Stalin was an atheist you moron.

He openly persecuted Jews.

Using propaganda papers from Germany doesn't make any of what you said fact.
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Re: what was the purpose of WWII
« Reply #49 on: May 21, 2009, 08:41:32 AM »
This reply did not surprise me.

But alas we do not have a 'time machine' & until you can go back in time to these events, so you can see with your own eyes, you Ozmo, will remain the concrete skeptic of any-thing that does not correlate with the 'Paradigm' of your world.

Which leaves you in an evolutionary 'cul-de-sac' my friend. ;D ;D ;)

And you sir, will forever be subject and prey to the most whimsical and fantasy laced suspicions because you have forfeited your common sense and instead immersed yourself in a world shadowy suggestion based on hateful and fear laced conjecture.