Author Topic: Let's end this: there is no such thing as natural. (Read 2811 times)

Deicide · « **on:** May 20, 2009, 04:27:39 AM »

Let's face it, there is no such thing as truly natural: creatin with waxy maize, ultra filtered 100% whey isolate, 5 component protein, multivitamins, NO products, glucosamine tablets, etc. What is natural about any of this? The only way you could be natural is if all you did was eat normal food and train. There are NO NATURALS in any real sense of the word and that is a fact, gear is just another unnatural thing among many.

#1 Klaus fan · « **Reply #1 on:** May 20, 2009, 04:39:04 AM »

There are many naturals, but it's just that you have no idea they train until they tell you.

Red Hook · « **Reply #2 on:** May 20, 2009, 04:40:44 AM »

Idiot, steak has a good amount of creatin in it..so if one guy eats more steak than the other guy then he is not natural?

you are a piece of total garbage, why not spend the time in the end gym instead of starting useless threads?

io856 · « **Reply #3 on:** May 20, 2009, 04:52:03 AM »

no such thing as natural bodybuilding

hormones are not a bad thing either

its all about perspectives

nothing is equal in sports anyway e.g. coaching, genetics, environment, socioeconomic status, culture, family, religion

Deicide · « **Reply #4 on:** May 20, 2009, 04:52:49 AM »

Quote from: Red Hook on May 20, 2009, 04:40:44 AM

Idiot, steak has a good amount of creatin in it..so if one guy eats more steak than the other guy then he is not natural?

you are a piece of total garbage, why not spend the time in the end gym instead of starting useless threads?

The extraction process is not natural and what about all the other things I mentioned? On a molecular level synthetic testosterone is also natural as it is identical to the 'real stuff'.

It's fine if you don't want discussion but the fact is that there is no such thing as a REAL natural.

wavelength · « **Reply #5 on:** May 20, 2009, 04:53:46 AM »

natural = food + food replacements (includes creatine, aminos, etc.)

McFarland · « **Reply #6 on:** May 20, 2009, 04:57:19 AM »

Quote from: Deicide on May 20, 2009, 04:27:39 AM

Let's face it, there is no such thing as truly natural: creatin with waxy maize, ultra filtered 100% whey isolate, 5 component protein, multivitamins, NO products, glucosamine tablets, etc. What is natural about any of this? The only way you could be natural is if all you did was eat normal food and train. There are NO NATURALS in any real sense of the word and that is a fact, gear is just another unnatural thing among many.

None of that stuff even works anyways, if you were happy with yourself you wouldnt try to bring the rest of the world down and call them unnatural cause they were trying these legal products. The problem lies with attaining happyness for yourself then teach others. You cant teach others to do it right naturally if you cant first on your own, when u do u just sound angry and like you have given up. Dont give up we are all on the same team trying to do it right, face the facts very few have done it right naturally, the some that do only have one part or the other of the equation right (being only ripped with no size or vice versa)

Deicide · « **Reply #7 on:** May 20, 2009, 04:58:22 AM »

Quote from: wavelength on May 20, 2009, 04:53:46 AM

natural = food + food replacements (includes creatine, aminos, etc.)

Extracted and compressed amino tabs? Very natural...I am talking really natural schnitzelman.

McFarland · « **Reply #8 on:** May 20, 2009, 05:10:27 AM »

Quote from: Deicide on May 20, 2009, 04:58:22 AM

Extracted and compressed amino tabs? Very natural...I am talking really natural schnitzelman.

its just amino acids, do you realize ALL foods are amino acids? Maybe not always the right combo of them but they are simply amino acids in everything

dan18 · « **Reply #9 on:** May 20, 2009, 05:18:21 AM »

Quote from: Deicide on May 20, 2009, 04:27:39 AM

Let's face it, there is no such thing as truly natural: creatin with waxy maize, ultra filtered 100% whey isolate, 5 component protein, multivitamins, NO products, glucosamine tablets, etc. What is natural about any of this? The only way you could be natural is if all you did was eat normal food and train. There are NO NATURALS in any real sense of the word and that is a fact, gear is just another unnatural thing among many.

says the man who envy's the man who trains hard and actually looks good while you sit and stew about who is natural

and tries to pick out the ones on juice

Deicide · « **Reply #10 on:** May 20, 2009, 05:25:03 AM »

Quote from: dan18 on May 20, 2009, 05:18:21 AM

says the man who envy's the man who trains hard and actually looks good while you sit and stew about who is natural and tries to pick out the ones on juice

Hardly. I think roids are great. I never criticised anyone for juicing.

mesmorph78 · « **Reply #11 on:** May 20, 2009, 05:27:10 AM »

Quote from: McFarland on May 20, 2009, 04:57:19 AM

None of that stuff even works anyways, if you were happy with yourself you wouldnt try to bring the rest of the world down and call them unnatural cause they were trying these legal products. The problem lies with attaining happyness for yourself then teach others. You cant teach others to do it right naturally if you cant first on your own, when u do u just sound angry and like you have given up. Dont give up we are all on the same team trying to do it right, face the facts very few have done it right naturally, the some that do only have one part or the other of the equation right (being only ripped with no size or vice versa)

well said

Lucky Lance · « **Reply #12 on:** May 20, 2009, 05:52:29 AM »

Quote from: McFarland on May 20, 2009, 04:57:19 AM

None of that stuff even works anyways, if you were happy with yourself you wouldnt try to bring the rest of the world down and call them unnatural cause they were trying these legal products. The problem lies with attaining happyness for yourself then teach others. You cant teach others to do it right naturally if you cant first on your own, when u do u just sound angry and like you have given up. Dont give up we are all on the same team trying to do it right, face the facts very few have done it right naturally, the some that do only have one part or the other of the equation right (being only ripped with no size or vice versa)

Deicide: I really want to root for you and encourage you to just train hard, train smart, eat right, and do your thing. But you are so negative all the time, and mostly it comes down to yourself and not being happy and satisfied with your bodybuilding results. Be proud more of the process and knowing that you're giving it your all in the gym (if in fact you are giving it your all; not sure) rather than putting yourself down due to "bad genetics", etc. Lifting weights is such a small part of life man; just give it your all like you should be doing in all other aspects of life; true happiness will result. And before you know it, you will progress more with your physique than you expected. Going to the gym is more than just about lifting weights -- it's a personal challenge with yourself to outdo your last workout, and then get out and enjoy the rest of the day and life in general; at least that's how I look at things.

mesmorph78 · « **Reply #13 on:** May 20, 2009, 06:03:39 AM »

Quote from: Lucky Lance on May 20, 2009, 05:52:29 AM

Deicide: I really want to root for you and encourage you to just train hard, train smart, eat right, and do your thing. But you are so negative all the time, and mostly it comes down to yourself and not being happy and satisfied with your bodybuilding results. Be proud more of the process and knowing that you're giving it your all in the gym (if in fact you are giving it your all; not sure) rather than putting yourself down due to "bad genetics", etc. Lifting weights is such a small part of life man; just give it your all like you should be doing in all other aspects of life; true happiness will result. And before you know it, you will progress more with your physique than you expected. Going to the gym is more than just about lifting weights -- it's a personal challenge with yourself to outdo your last workout, and then get out and enjoy the rest of the day and life in general; at least that's how I look at things.

again well said....
there's more to life than muscles.... just enjoy life lift and enjoy the gradual results...

Mars · « **Reply #14 on:** May 20, 2009, 06:43:52 AM »

most of us are fucked in the genetics department, it is how it is, appreciate more of what you achieve.

Swedish Viking · « **Reply #15 on:** May 20, 2009, 06:48:48 AM »

All I do is eat and train, no supplements at all, am I not natural? As far as I'm concerned anyone who is not using illegal drugs is natural enough to compete in a natural show. On the other hand, these things you are talking about are definitely not natural in the sense that you are using the word.

Deicide · « **Reply #16 on:** May 20, 2009, 06:50:14 AM »

Quote from: Mars on May 20, 2009, 06:43:52 AM

most of us are fucked in the genetics department, it is how it is, appreciate more of what you achieve.

Mars, je bent de overmens!

The Master · « **Reply #17 on:** May 20, 2009, 06:52:30 AM »

Quote from: Deicide on May 20, 2009, 04:27:39 AM

Let's face it, there is no such thing as truly natural: creatin with waxy maize, ultra filtered 100% whey isolate, 5 component protein, multivitamins, NO products, glucosamine tablets, etc. What is natural about any of this? The only way you could be natural is if all you did was eat normal food and train. There are NO NATURALS in any real sense of the word and that is a fact, gear is just another unnatural thing among many.

There are artificial substances in practically all food today. Preservatives, sweeteners, coloring agents ect. What = natural about food

Mars · « **Reply #18 on:** May 20, 2009, 06:55:45 AM »

Quote from: Deicide on May 20, 2009, 06:50:14 AM

Mars, je bent de overmens!

Deicide · « **Reply #19 on:** May 20, 2009, 06:56:56 AM »

Quote from: Mars on May 20, 2009, 06:43:52 AM

most of us are fucked in the genetics department, it is how it is, appreciate more of what you achieve.

These words will forever resonate with me in my mind. The greatest words ever written on getbig.

dragonfist · « **Reply #20 on:** May 20, 2009, 07:06:00 AM »

What is "Natural" about lifting weights and dieting in pursuit of strength you will never use and a physique stays covered most of the time?

The Master · « **Reply #21 on:** May 20, 2009, 07:07:17 AM »

Quote from: dragonfist on May 20, 2009, 07:06:00 AM

What is "Natural" about lifting weights and dieting in pursuit of strength you will never use and a physique stays covered most of the time?

Strength can be very useful for athletes.

dragonfist · « **Reply #22 on:** May 20, 2009, 07:17:01 AM »

Quote from: Debussey DF on May 20, 2009, 07:07:17 AM

Strength can be very useful for athletes.

I agree. But the average person in a gym or a fitness club is not an athlete and most of them could care less about their health. The majority of the people are there for strength and appearance and living a life that requires neither.

johnnynoname · « **Reply #23 on:** May 20, 2009, 07:19:47 AM »

this whole thread is BULLSHIT

I'M NATURAL

...then again, it doesn't take much to be a 161 pound muscle twink

CT_Muscle · « **Reply #24 on:** May 20, 2009, 07:22:41 AM »

Quote from: johnnynoname on May 20, 2009, 07:19:47 AM

this whole thread is BULLSHIT

I'M NATURAL

...then again, it doesn't take much to be a 161 pound muscle twink

EXACTLY and NO ONE wants to see a natural bodybuilder on stage either people go to see the freaks

Author Topic: Let's end this: there is no such thing as natural. (Read 2811 times)

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