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gh15's thoughts on training
« on: May 20, 2009, 12:30:58 PM »
What do you think about this routine or the principles behind it, courtesy of BigA from promuscle:

TRAINING

Why does a muscle grow? Because it has to adapt. When
does it have to adapt? When you expose it to something
that it has not done before. When is something that it
has not done before? When the muscle is taxed 100%.
That's 100% effort. What's 100% effort? When you train
to 100% PHYSICAL, not mental failure. So, to make the
muscle grow, you have to train with 100% effort
otherwise, the muscle will not adapt/grow.
Now, using the above logic, for a set to be beneficial
to your growth, it needs to be 100% effort. So, a 100%
effort set of an exercise, will make you grow. Then,
what is the point to do a second set of that exercise?
You cannot go more than 100%. The muscle already has
been taxed by 100% from the first set, so why should
you do a second one? You will just eat into your
recovery ability.
So, you should only do one set to failure per
exercise. Later on, I will describe the training
program and how exercises and warm-ups are involved.

A muscle will not grow until it's recovered. The
muscle will not begin to recover until the nervous
system is recovered. It takes roughly 24hours for the
nervous system to recover from a workout. Only then
will the muscle begin to recover and grow. So, you
should never train 2 days in a row. Even if you train
different bodyparts, you still use the same nervous
system. You train 2 days in a row, your nervous system
recovers, but by the time the muscles begin to, you
train again, so the body has to concentrate again on
recovering the nervous system.
A training frequency of 3 days per week (Mon, Wed,
Fri) is more than enough. Numerous pros, including
myself, train like this offseason for maximum growth.
Even if you use streroids, you still have to train
like this. Steroids increase your recovery ability,
but they also make you stronger at a quicker rate. The
extra strength will give you the ability to train
harder/tear more muscle tissue, so you will need the
extra recovery that the steroids will give you.

The following is a great training program that I
recomend:

Mon - Chest, Shoulders, Triceps
* Incline press - warm-up sets, 1 work set
* Flat flyes - 1 work set
* Millitary press - 1 warm-up, 1 work set
* Lateral flyes - 1 work set
* Rear delt machine - 1 work set
* Tricep pushdowns - 1 warm-up, 1 work set
* Lying tricep extensions - 1 work-set

Wed - Quads, Hams, Calves
* Squats - warm-ups, 1 work set
* Leg press - work set
* Leg extension - work set
* Leg curl - warm-up, work set
* Stiff leg deadlift - work set
* Standing calf raise - work set

Fri - Abs, Back, Bis
* Rope crunches - warm up, work set
* Lat pull down - warm-ups, work set
* Deadlift - warm-up, work set
* Bent-over rows - work set
* Shrugs - work set
* Standing BB curls - warm up, work set
* Concentration curl - work set

You do a lot of warm-ups for your first exercise of
the day. You do one warm-up for the first exercise of
each bodypart, only to optimise the firing of te
neuropathways.
Let's use chest as an example - if for example your
max (work set) in the incline press is 3 plates, then
you do 2 warm-ups with the bar, 2 warm-ups with one
plate, 1 warm-up with 2 plates and then your work set
with 3 plates. The work set is a set where you fail at
about 6 reps. Every workout, you have to do more reps
or increase the weight in that work set (remember, the
muscle has to do something that it has not done
before). So if one work out you fail with 6 reps, the
following nothing less than 7. When you reach 8 reps,
the following workout you should do (increase) a
weight where you can do minimum 4 reps. Then increase
your reps again every workout until you reach 8 again,
and so on. Each rep has a tempo of 2-1-1. That is 2
seconds in the negative, one second in the contraction
and 1 second in the positive.
Then, after you fail in the incline press, you move
straight to flat flyes. You do not need a warmp now
because your chest is more than warm after you failed
on presses.
And that's it for chest. The basic routine stays the
same. If you want variety, small changes as using DB's
instead of BB or doing flat presse and incline flyes
for example, is mor ethan enough variety to keep the
muscle 'confused'.

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Re: gh15's thoughts on training
« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2009, 01:09:55 PM »
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Re: gh15's thoughts on training
« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2009, 01:17:15 PM »
No one asked you to read it anyway  :D

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Re: gh15's thoughts on training
« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2009, 03:12:05 PM »
Mentzeresque!

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Re: gh15's thoughts on training
« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2009, 03:16:56 PM »
your CNS doesnt have to recover before muscle growth can occur.


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Re: gh15's thoughts on training
« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2009, 03:33:29 PM »
Any routine that has you contantly increasing the poundages is VERY dangerous.

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Re: gh15's thoughts on training
« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2009, 04:22:08 PM »
"It takes roughly 24hours for the
nervous system to recover from a workout."

So it doesn't matter if I do one warmup set on squats or 30 sets to failure?

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Re: gh15's thoughts on training
« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2009, 06:53:49 PM »
His workout is pretty much on the money IMO. That's almost exactly what i do just different exercises and i do chest+arms and Back+Shoulders.

After you get to a certain strength and have been training for years the body needs very little to break the muscle down.

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Re: gh15's thoughts on training
« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2009, 07:51:11 PM »
sounds like pure DC principles to me. whicj imo is the right way to train

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Re: gh15's thoughts on training
« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2009, 08:18:51 PM »
that's pretty much how i train

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Re: gh15's thoughts on training
« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2009, 11:17:39 PM »
I pretty much agree in principle to this theory but.... Isn't there also a factor sometimes known as "inroads"? How much you work the muscle? Sometimes it's referred to as how "deep" you work the muscles. I know these are very elastic and ambiguous terms but I can't help but think there's something more. If 100% intensity of effort in one set is all that is needed why wouldn't, after a proper warm up, a one rep max work? Taking a weight that only, with the maximum gut busting effort, you can only barely manage to perform one rep. And just to be sure say you do another forced rep where a partner helps you achieve that second rep but only after maximum effort. Say that rep is so hard that you can barely move the weight and may take 10-15 seconds just to complete that one rep. Would that be enough? Those 2 reps? The muscle has been worked at 100% intensity and even beyond but would you have dug "deep enough" to stimulate an adaptive response?

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Re: gh15's thoughts on training
« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2009, 12:18:11 AM »
too logn to read ,,,someone ask in short sentences ,,make it short ,,you have here geniouses that can make it all short
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Re: gh15's thoughts on training
« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2009, 12:21:18 AM »
there's a contradiction though; first he says only 1 set to failure is needed, but the workout includes 5 sets to failure of different exercises that train the same muscle.  For example both leg press and squats for quads.

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Re: gh15's thoughts on training
« Reply #13 on: May 21, 2009, 12:22:20 AM »
too logn to read ,,,someone ask in short sentences ,,make it short ,,you have here geniouses that can make it all short

agreed, the poster is just insane with all the thought he puts into training lol
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Re: gh15's thoughts on training
« Reply #14 on: May 21, 2009, 01:27:42 AM »
too logn to read ,,,someone ask in short sentences ,,make it short ,,you have here geniouses that can make it all short

The following is a great training program that I
recomend:

Mon - Chest, Shoulders, Triceps
* Incline press - warm-up sets, 1 work set
* Flat flyes - 1 work set
* Millitary press - 1 warm-up, 1 work set
* Lateral flyes - 1 work set
* Rear delt machine - 1 work set
* Tricep pushdowns - 1 warm-up, 1 work set
* Lying tricep extensions - 1 work-set

Wed - Quads, Hams, Calves
* Squats - warm-ups, 1 work set
* Leg press - work set
* Leg extension - work set
* Leg curl - warm-up, work set
* Stiff leg deadlift - work set
* Standing calf raise - work set

Fri - Abs, Back, Bis
* Rope crunches - warm up, work set
* Lat pull down - warm-ups, work set
* Deadlift - warm-up, work set
* Bent-over rows - work set
* Shrugs - work set
* Standing BB curls - warm up, work set
* Concentration curl - work set

Everything 1 work set 4-8 reps

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Re: gh15's thoughts on training
« Reply #15 on: May 21, 2009, 01:55:43 AM »
too logn to read ,,,someone ask in short sentences ,,make it short ,,you have here geniouses that can make it all short

Hello god, webcke here.

What is the best way for a natty to train?

Thankyou and all the best god,

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Re: gh15's thoughts on training
« Reply #16 on: May 21, 2009, 01:56:34 AM »
gh can only talk in syringes.

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Re: gh15's thoughts on training
« Reply #17 on: May 21, 2009, 01:59:27 AM »
I hate the State.

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Re: gh15's thoughts on training
« Reply #18 on: May 21, 2009, 02:00:14 AM »


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Re: gh15's thoughts on training
« Reply #19 on: May 21, 2009, 02:06:15 AM »
is there any picks of this big A guy ?
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Re: gh15's thoughts on training
« Reply #20 on: May 21, 2009, 02:07:08 AM »
too logn to read ,,,someone ask in short sentences ,,make it short ,,you have here geniouses that can make it all short

gh15, is one set to failure per exercise (not necessarily per body part) enough to stimulate muscle growth? Why or why not?

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Re: gh15's thoughts on training
« Reply #21 on: May 21, 2009, 02:09:18 AM »
Hello god, webcke here.

What is the best way for a natty to train?

Thankyou and all the best god,

Webcke.


2 on 1 off ,,heavy but longer breaks between sets ,,  bodypart once a week                                                                       
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Re: gh15's thoughts on training
« Reply #22 on: May 21, 2009, 02:23:27 AM »

2 on 1 off ,,heavy but longer breaks between sets ,,  bodypart once a week                                                                       

Thankyou god. Straight to the point. Nice.  8)
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Re: gh15's thoughts on training
« Reply #23 on: May 21, 2009, 02:25:08 AM »
He's dead deicide.........let it go.

STFU >:(

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Re: gh15's thoughts on training
« Reply #24 on: May 21, 2009, 02:26:32 AM »
STFU >:(

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Get stuffed.........guy was shit and is dead.

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