RONNIE,now sadly is not the same,but just from those rear shots the seperated mass in his back,and down through his legs is incredible.he really set a bar so high that it will never be done any time soon,ronnie made cutler a better bber and had cutler at his alltime best in 01 to try to hang with him.yates had a revolving door of challengers ray,kev,wheeler,ronnie had jay and that was good,most of yates challengers at least in terms of size,conditioning had no real threat.