Evangelical Christians agree with torture...

[kcballer]

A survey conducted by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life found that white evangelical Christians are more likely to support torture than people who rarely or never attend religious services.

The survey said that 62 percent of white evangelical Protestants say that the use of torture against suspected terrorists can be often or sometimes justified in order to gain important information.

When asked the same question, 40 percent of the "religiously unaffiliated" say torture can be often or sometimes justified.

This is for Bezerk Fury and all his Muslim hating threads.  If this were a Muslim survey you'd be all over it but crickets when it's a christian one.  Some balanced view you have there. 

[Hedgehog]

A survey conducted by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life found that white evangelical Christians are more likely to support torture than people who rarely or never attend religious services.

The survey said that 62 percent of white evangelical Protestants say that the use of torture against suspected terrorists can be often or sometimes justified in order to gain important information.

When asked the same question, 40 percent of the "religiously unaffiliated" say torture can be often or sometimes justified.

This is for Bezerk Fury and all his Muslim hating threads.  If this were a Muslim survey you'd be all over it but crickets when it's a christian one.  Some balanced view you have there. 

Lets assume that Christianity is all it claims to be - a religion of love.

The whole deal with turning the other cheek, loving your enemy et al.

If this survey is true, and Pew aren't known to screw with the surveys, a lot of Christians aren't getting the Christian message.

I found a link to a site run by a Christian fellow who discusses the "pacifist" teachings of the Bible.

http://www.loveyourenemies.org/

[24KT]

Lets assume that Christianity is all it claims to be - a religion of love.

The whole deal with turning the other cheek, loving your enemy et al.

If this survey is true, and Pew aren't known to screw with the surveys, a lot of Christians aren't getting the Christian message.

I found a link to a site run by a Christian fellow who discusses the "pacifist" teachings of the Bible.

http://www.loveyourenemies.org/

When you hold yourself above others and believe all your actions to be inspired or ordained from above,
you lose your moral compass. Your every inclination, no matter how base becomes true north.

[tonymctones]

When you hold yourself above others and believe all your actions to be inspired or ordained from above,
you lose your moral compass. Your every inclination, no matter how base becomes true north.

who said that christians hold themselves above others?

[24KT]

who said that christians hold themselves above others?

Many do... in the condescending, judgemental way they have of pointing their little fingers at people calling them sinners

[tonymctones]

Many do... in the condescending, judgemental way they have of pointing their little fingers at people calling them sinners

LOL some not many jag some just like some of the left points their fingers and calls ppl homophobes, bigots and racist....

[Hugo Chavez]

evangelical christians... This doesn't shock me much.  I'd expect this.  I see the conversation went on as though the topic only addressed Christians...  The evangelical movement was taken over by political forces a long time ago--primarily zionists.

[tonymctones]

evangelical christians... This doesn't shock me much.  I'd expect this.  I see the conversation went on as though the topic only addressed Christians...  The evangelical movement was taken over by political forces a long time ago--primarily zionists.

good catch hugo i missed that...i dont take a literal view of the bible like some ppl so my views differ from others this does kinda suprise me though as you would think that as literal a view as they take the bible they would be about turning the other cheek etc...Im no bible scholar but im sure there are passages in there that lend itself to doing things that are necessary to protect the herd...

[Hugo Chavez]

good catch hugo i missed that...i dont take a literal view of the bible like some ppl so my views differ from others this does kinda suprise me though as you would think that as literal a view as they take the bible they would be about turning the other cheek etc...Im no bible scholar but im sure there are passages in there that lend itself to doing things that are necessary to protect the herd...

thanks,... the evangelical movement was largely taken over to support the Zionist movement over a hundred years ago.  The view of the fledgling Zionists at the time was that the Christians had become to paganized.  I have this from two sources, one from a Zionist author writing in the 30's.  They felt at the time that the Christian movement would not be sympathetic toward a Zionist cause because of what they called the paganization of Christianity.  So the goal was to establish a friendly ground and support structure in America and the easy target at the time happened to be through the doors of Evangelicals.  Even today you will notice that the Christian organizations that run pro Zionist ads and aid programs for Israel are primarily if not entirely Evangelical based.

I know the terms Pagan and Christian might cause some WTF, but those are the terms they used at the time.  They really felt Christians had adjusted Christianity to be in line with their pagan history and that was not of use to them.  So they sought to change Christianity to a religion sympathetic to their cause.

[loco]

I and my family have always been evangelical Christians.  We DO NOT agree with torture.

[Soul Crusher]

I and my family have always been evangelical Christians.  We DO NOT agree with torture.

I am not a non-practicing catholic who has no problem with "torture" under a ticking time bomb scenario and there exists the possibility of thousands of INNOCENT people being murdered.

To me, the life of the terrorist and murderer is not the same as the innocent victim.  In my mind, it takes a warped sense of "morality" to equate the two.

[240 is Back]

lots of religious people support war for stealing oil.

As long as it's not the "only" reason, they're cool with it.

Imagine getting to Heaven one day, staring at St. Peter and the lost souls of smart bombs we sent, and trying to convince them a pre-emptive war for bases and oil was more important than those lives.

[Deicide]

lots of religious people support war for stealing oil.

As long as it's not the "only" reason, they're cool with it.

Imagine getting to Heaven one day, staring at St. Peter and the lost souls of smart bombs we sent, and trying to convince them a pre-emptive war for bases and oil was more important than those lives.

LOL

Religious people tend to be the biggest hypocrites on the planet, violent, intolerant and power hungry. A shame our species hasn't grown out of it.

[loco]

lots of religious people support war for stealing oil.

As long as it's not the "only" reason, they're cool with it.

Imagine getting to Heaven one day, staring at St. Peter and the lost souls of smart bombs we sent, and trying to convince them a pre-emptive war for bases and oil was more important than those lives.

Not when those religious people are the ones getting stuff stolen from them.

[loco]

LOL

Religious people tend to be the biggest hypocrites on the planet, violent, intolerant and power hungry. A shame our species hasn't grown out of it.

I disagree.  There are hypocrites everywhere on the planet.  No group is more hypocrite than the other.

[Deicide]

Not when those religious people are the ones getting stuff stolen from them.

Huh? repeat please? What do you mean?

[Deicide]

I disagree.  There are hypocrites everywhere on the planet.  No group is more hypocrite than the other.

No, 'pious' Christians who tell people what they can smoke, who they can fuck and that mythology should be taught in place of science who then say, lets go bomb people and steal their resources...that is about as hypocritical as you can get.

[loco]

No, 'pious' Christians who tell people what they can smoke, who they can fuck and that mythology should be taught in place on science who then say, lets go bomb people and steal their resources...that is about as hypocritical as you can get.

That's not Christian or religious.  That's just political, and what politicians want you both atheists and theists alike to believe.  If you really think it's Christian or religious, then you fell for it.  There are many Christians in third world countries around the world.  You believe they think about bombing other countries?

[Deicide]

That's not Christian or religious.  That's just political, and what politicians want you both atheists and theists alike to believe.  If you really think it's Christian or religious, then you fell for it.  There are many Christians in third world countries around the world.  You believe they think about bombing other countries?

I am talking about the prototypical American sort that we all know and (don't) love.

[Soul Crusher]

I am talking about the prototypical American sort that we all know and (don't) love.

And how are they any different from the irreligious left who does the same thing?

[Deicide]

And how are they any different from the irreligious left who does the same thing?

They do similar things but if you look at it in the details, what the religious right wants is more restrictive to personal behaviour than what many lefties want. What is more restrictive? Saying you can smoke a joint in the privacy of your home or saying you should go to jail for it?

[loco]

They do similar things but if you look at it in the details, what the religious right wants is more restrictive to personal behaviour than what many lefties want. What is more restrictive? Saying you can smoke a joint in the privacy of your home or saying you should go to jail for it?

That's not what Ron Paul wants, and he is a devout Christian and an American.  And there are many Christians who think like Ron Paul.

[Deicide]

That's not what Ron Paul wants, and he is a devout Christian and an American.  And there are many Christians who think like Ron Paul.

Not many Christians like RP keep their religion to themselves. Do you know of many?

[loco]

Not many Christians like RP keep their religion to themselves. Do you know of many?

Yes.  Not in politics.

[Soul Crusher]

They do similar things but if you look at it in the details, what the religious right wants is more restrictive to personal behaviour than what many lefties want. What is more restrictive? Saying you can smoke a joint in the privacy of your home or saying you should go to jail for it?

The left does it with your economic freedom which is just as important.