I hope owning that pit bull was worth endangering your child

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You guys ever try dog meat?

[The True Adonis]

dogs are as good or as bad as their owners.

ever met the kind of person that tends to own a pit or a rottie? they aren't all guys like nordic or knny, a lot of 'em are total shitbags that are PROUD that their dogs are mean and dangerous. get someone who's a little more nurturing and they'll be absolute teddy bears. friend of my family had three rotties and those things were so docile it was amazing.

I have yet to see a mean Pitbull or a mean Rottwieler.  I even find it more amusing sometimes when the ones who do get these dogs for the reasons you stated above, the dogs then turn out to be either playful doofuses or totally disinterested in even barking at anyone. lolol

I have seen that over and over again.  They will brag about their dog and how big and mean its going to be and then it turns out to be a typical house dog and really crappy guard dog.

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Dog meat soup.

[chaos]

I have yet to see a mean Pitbull or a mean Rottwieler.  I even find it more amusing sometimes when the ones who do get these dogs for the reasons you stated above, the dogs then turn out to be either playful doofuses or totally disinterested in even barking at anyone. lolol

I have seen that over and over again.  They will brag about their dog and how big and mean its going to be and then it turns out to be a typical house dog and really crappy guard dog.

Been around pits for well over a decade, never had an issue with any of them.

[TrapsMcLats]

I like how no one really had anything intelligent to say except Body88 and a few others, but that should be expected.  If you want hard, scientific data, check out this site:

http://nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/

Most dangerous dog is the english cocker spaniel.

and on the american temperment testing society webpage, pits rate higher than countless popular breeds, like the beagle and the golden retriever.

www.atts.org

And I work with the group that rescued those Vick dogs (body88 can confirm this), and I can easily gaurantee not one will have a problem.  Amazing dogs with very short memories.

[The True Adonis]

Been around pits for well over a decade, never had an issue with any of them.

Exactly.  Michael Vick`s dog were able to be re-homed as soon as their torture stopped.  You really have to do some fucked up things to a dog to make him willing to fight.  Basically putting them in perpetual state of fear and invoking a total delusional mental state by torturing them, altering their normal mindset.

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[The Master]

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[chaos]

Exactly.  Michael Vick`s dog were able to be re-homed as soon as their torture stopped.  You really have to do some fucked up things to a dog to make him willing to fight.  Basically putting them in perpetual state of fear and invoking a total delusional mental state by torturing them, altering their normal mindset.

Not just that, but a pit dog that bites a person is a useless dog in the pit, nobody wants to handle a dog that is going to bite him. Their temperment is very loving, friendly towards people.

[Deicide]

I've had it several times. It's very tasty.

[INSOMNIA]

I used to jog alot in my old neighborhood..  there were no leashlaws at the time, unfortunatly. So many houses I would jog past would have a dog in the yard snarling, growling, barking and trying to get over the fence at me... I noticed they all resmbled some sort of rott/pit or some variation of the two. (seemed like everyone had one)Two or three occasions was chased by them...I dont think they wanted to play.. at that point I gave up running outdoors and got myself a treadmill.

It seems to be irresponsible ownership combined with the temperament of this breed.. pits/rotts I notice do seem to be prone to aggressive behavior or easily have that tendency. Ive never had a bad experience with any other breed of dog. Having said that I wouldnt trust ANY dog alone with a small child. All animals can be very unpredictable. Birds, cats, dogs, reptiles...  why do people always insist on testing this???

I'm no dog expert.. far from it. But if you keep hearing stories like this over and over... there is going to be an element of truth to it. Chances are, it is not made up baloney. There is a reason why people breed these dogs to fight and/or protect property... they DO have an aggressive dominant nature. I think they make wonderful pets with tons of personality, to an owner who is very loving, attentive, and caring... but not for just any idiot.

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[wikkedonez]

Harrison didnt go in 2006 when they won the Superbowl either. I think its great. Fuck Obama. He even said at the ceremony he was a Bears fan. Who cares about meeting the President? They show Osama at a basketball game but did he go to a Washington Capitals hockey game in his own back yard? NO. Good for Harrison......Go STEELERS

[body88]

Your debating skillz are extraordinary, genius.

From Wiki:
A study examining a two-year period by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention stated that, "during 1997 and 1998, at least 27 people died of dog bite attacks (18 in 1997 and 9 in 1998). At least 25 breeds of dogs have been involved in 238 human DBRF (dog bite related fatalities) during the past 20 years. Pit bull-type dogs and Rottweilers" [the study places both breeds into one category] "...were involved in more than half of these deaths." Additionally, the article concluded: "Although fatal attacks on humans appear to be a breed-specific problem (pit bull-type dogs and Rottweilers), other breeds may bite and cause fatalities at higher rates."

and...

In response to a number of well-publicized incidents involving dogs that resemble Pit Bulls, some jurisdictions began placing restrictions on the ownership of Pit Bulls, such as the Dangerous Dogs Act 1991 in the UK, an example of breed-specific legislation. Many jurisdictions have outlawed the possession of Pit Bulls, either Pit Bull breeds specifically, or in addition to other breeds that are regarded as dangerous.

A bunch of U.S. states have legislated against pit bulls - not against poodles, dachshunds or collies - due to a disproportionate number of incidents of pit bull attacks.
 
Also on Wikipedia there's a tidy list of countries around the world that either ban or legislate pit bulls- judiciaries the world over have deliberated on the relation between this species and attacks on humans and made rules in accordance. So I guess legislators across the globe and in the U.S. all pale in comparison to your detailed analysis of this matter?

Feel free to continue on in your role as a bottom feeder on Getbig, if that's your bag. Or instead, prove me wrong. Show some kind of evidence that pit bulls were not bred for fighting and that they aren't involved in a higher incidence of dog attacks than other breeds. That was all that my original post stated, to which you cried bullshit. Well, make your case, or take a powder.

I want to look at these stats again.  Ok, so lets say "pitbull" type breeds = 5 different breeds + the Rot's.  In total this group of dogs was responsible for roughly 115 deaths over the last 20 years.  Since they've grouped Rots in with the "pitbull types", lets say half of the 115 totals deaths were caused by "pitbull type" dogs.  So, 57.5 deaths over the last 20 years (2.8 per year) were caused by "pitbull" type dogs.  As I mentioned, lightning kills roughly 67 people per year.  Over 20 years lighting kills roughly 1340 people or 67 per year, vs the 2.8 per year killed by pitbull type dogs.

Media spin and fear mongering = this "pitbull issue".  As I showed above, you have a FAR greater chance to be killed by lightning than by a pitbull.  All the op did by posting those stats was show that death by pitbull is not something anyone should be worried about.

Lets start blaming the people who have the most influence on how a dogs acts, their owners.

[MisterMagoo]

I used to jog alot in my old neighborhood..  there were no leashlaws at the time, unfortunatly. So many houses I would jog past would have a dog in the yard snarling, growling, barking and trying to get over the fence at me... I noticed they all resmbled some sort of rott/pit or some variation of the two. (seemed like everyone had one)Two or three occasions was chased by them...I dont think they wanted to play.. at that point I gave up running outdoors and got myself a treadmill.

It seems to be irresponsible ownership combined with the temperament of this breed.. pits/rotts I notice do seem to be prone to aggressive behavior or easily have that tendency. Ive never had a bad experience with any other breed of dog. Having said that I wouldnt trust ANY dog alone with a small child. All animals can be very unpredictable. Birds, cats, dogs, reptiles...  why do people always insist on testing this???

I'm no dog expert.. far from it. But if you keep hearing stories like this over and over... there is going to be an element of truth to it. Chances are, it is not made up baloney. There is a reason why people breed these dogs to fight and/or protect property... they DO have an aggressive dominant nature. I think they make wonderful pets with tons of personality, to an owner who is very loving, attentive, and caring... but not for just any idiot.

the thing is, the same behaviour that's considered "vicious" in a pit/rottie is just "annoying" if it's, say, a yorkie. the "cuter" breeds might growl, yap, and jump around like crazy but no one's really scared. you get a rottweiler that's just up on a fence going "HAY! HAY! LET ME OUTTA HERE, WE CAN PLAY FETCH!" and people are running around howling about how it's a terrifying scary monster.

it's like how people are always bitching at my bulldog because i don't always have him on a leash (meaning if i'm outside sitting on the porch he'll just be chillling with me). they say "well that breed was made to fight bulls, obviously it's mean". bullshit.

how often is the owner of the dog a factor in these stories? i'd say always. you get a guy whose pit is a killer chomping on babies' faces, go back in time and give him a great dane or a husky and guaranteed the same thing will happen down the road. it's like saying "all children behave like X". they don't.

[chaos]

I want to look at these stats again.  Ok, so lets say "pitbull" type breeds = 5 different breeds + the Rot's.  In total this group of dogs was responsible for roughly 115 deaths over the last 20 years.  Since they've grouped Rots in with the "pitbull types", lets say half of the 115 totals deaths were caused by "pitbull type" dogs.  So, 57.5 deaths over the last 20 years (2.8 per year) were caused by "pitbull" type dogs.  As I mentioned, lightning kills roughly 67 people per year.  Over 20 years lighting kills roughly 1340 people or 67 per year, vs the 2.8 per year killed by pitbull type dogs.

Media spin and fear mongering = this "pitbull issue".  As I showed above, you have a FAR greater chance to be killed by lightning than by a pitbull.  All the op did by posting those stats was show that death by pitbull is not something anyone should be worried about.

Lets start blaming the people who have the most influence on how a dogs acts, their owners.

LET'S BAN LIGHTNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[INSOMNIA]

the thing is, the same behaviour that's considered "vicious" in a pit/rottie is just "annoying" if it's, say, a yorkie. the "cuter" breeds might growl, yap, and jump around like crazy but no one's really scared. you get a rottweiler that's just up on a fence going "HAY! HAY! LET ME OUTTA HERE, WE CAN PLAY FETCH!" and people are running around howling about how it's a terrifying scary monster.

it's like how people are always bitching at my bulldog because i don't always have him on a leash (meaning if i'm outside sitting on the porch he'll just be chillling with me). they say "well that breed was made to fight bulls, obviously it's mean". bullshit.

how often is the owner of the dog a factor in these stories? i'd say always. you get a guy whose pit is a killer chomping on babies' faces, go back in time and give him a great dane or a husky and guaranteed the same thing will happen down the road. it's like saying "all children behave like X". they don't.

well, like i said...dont trust any animal. I used to LOVE Steve Irwin, til he dangled his infant in front of a croc. I didnt hate the man, but I couldnt be a fan after that.

usually a dog baring its teeth, and snarling loudly, and trying to get over the fence, is not a dog that wants to play...and when a larger, stout dog acts that way, its very differnt than a small yappy dog acting that way.

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well, like i said...dont trust any animal. I used to LOVE Steve Irwin, til he dangled his infant in front of a croc. I didnt hate the man, but I couldnt be a fan after that.

usually a dog baring its teeth, and snarling loudly, and trying to get over the fence, is not a dog that wants to play...and when a larger, stout dog acts that way, its very differnt than a small yappy dog acting that way.

Dog meat stew.

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Dog meat stew.

   couldnt do it.

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  couldnt do it.

It's actually delicious. I love it.

[The True Adonis]

Harrison didnt go in 2006 when they won the Superbowl either. I think its great. Fuck Obama. He even said at the ceremony he was a Bears fan. Who cares about meeting the President? They show Osama at a basketball game but did he go to a Washington Capitals hockey game in his own back yard? NO. Good for Harrison......Go STEELERS

His son would not have gotten bitten if he would have checked his idiotic hubris at the door and met Obama.  I bet he wishes he and his family would have went to the Whitehouse instead of the emergency room, ending up with a permanently disfigured child.

[The True Adonis]

I used to jog alot in my old neighborhood..  there were no leashlaws at the time, unfortunatly. So many houses I would jog past would have a dog in the yard snarling, growling, barking and trying to get over the fence at me... I noticed they all resmbled some sort of rott/pit or some variation of the two. (seemed like everyone had one)Two or three occasions was chased by them...I dont think they wanted to play.. at that point I gave up running outdoors and got myself a treadmill.

It seems to be irresponsible ownership combined with the temperament of this breed.. pits/rotts I notice do seem to be prone to aggressive behavior or easily have that tendency. Ive never had a bad experience with any other breed of dog. Having said that I wouldnt trust ANY dog alone with a small child. All animals can be very unpredictable. Birds, cats, dogs, reptiles...  why do people always insist on testing this???

I'm no dog expert.. far from it. But if you keep hearing stories like this over and over... there is going to be an element of truth to it. Chances are, it is not made up baloney. There is a reason why people breed these dogs to fight and/or protect property... they DO have an aggressive dominant nature. I think they make wonderful pets with tons of personality, to an owner who is very loving, attentive, and caring... but not for just any idiot.

Dogs have prey drive and if you are actively running by them, some will certainly track you.  My Greyhounds would definitely do this.  You do realize you could easily plan a different route to run or you could walk in front of the dogs you feel threatened by as to not excite their prey drive.

[Hereford]

Ugly, disgusting animals.

What is the point of having these. This is like when people have snakes and scorpions for pets.

Ridiculous.

[Hereford]

I like how no one really had anything intelligent to say except Body88 and a few others, but that should be expected.  If you want hard, scientific data, check out this site:

http://nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/

Most dangerous dog is the english cocker spaniel.

and on the american temperment testing society webpage, pits rate higher than countless popular breeds, like the beagle and the golden retriever.

www.atts.org

And I work with the group that rescued those Vick dogs (body88 can confirm this), and I can easily gaurantee not one will have a problem.  Amazing dogs with very short memories.

Of course,.... just so happens their opinions match yours, eh?

Using the numbers argument saying pits are safer than cockker spaniels is like saying a BMW is less stealable than a Honda Accord. The reason the Accords are the #1 thieved car is because they are the #1 most prevalent car in the country. If there were as many pitbulls as cocker spaniels, there would be thousands more attacks.

[INSOMNIA]

Dogs have prey drive and if you are actively running by them, some will certainly track you.  My Greyhounds would definitely do this.  You do realize you could easily plan a different route to run or you could walk in front of the dogs you feel threatened by as to not excite their prey drive.

you cannot easliy plan a differnt route when they are all over the neighborhood.... 

walk in front of them?  look.. thanks for the suggestions... but I dont believe Im going to manipulate the mind and try to predict the actions of a strange animal that clearly does not have good intentions. Rediculous. Mind you.. at the time I was pregant!

Im just minding my own business enjoying a jog and fresh air, like any taxpaying free citizen in this country should be able to do. Its unfortunate due to some assholes and their dogs I was unable to do this! OH WELL


MORAL OF THE STORY:  assholes and irresponsible idiots should not own pets, let alone potentially dangerous ones!