Again, morality is derived from many places biologically, evolutionary as well as culturally. I urge you to again, re-read what I have posted and try to grasp it a bit better.
You are also operating under the assumption that these people have something to tell but are not telling. You are constructing a false scenario from the outset by concluding that A. These people have something to tell and B. These people want to harm as many people as possible. You are drawing a pre-conceived conclusion based on what? How do you determine that "Yeah, this person has nothing to say". How many times and how long do you torture to determine someone is innocent or has no information? How do we know they are intending to harm anyone? How did you determine that torturing will work when all the evidence says it NEVER has? Even if you are morally bankrupt and do not mind torture, would you not seek the most effective method which is NOT torture as all evidence suggests?
Our arguments are not based on the same principles so they cannot in any way be construed as being on equal footing.
Those are a lot of questions I would like you to answer point for point, but first start with this one:
How do you determine that "Yeah, this person has nothing to say". How many times and how long do you torture to determine someone is innocent or has no information?
LOL you did well at laying a blanket statement down there that basically said nothing, cultural morals are arbitrary and differ from culture to culture, evolutionary morals would say that you do what you need to to survive(this would be for waterboarding), Biological morals please explain that...and then tell me which one pertains to your stance that waterboarding is immoral.
Again by simply having a conversation with someone you can determine if they are telling the truth say you know they met with this person by you ask if they have and they say no right there they are lying and more then likely trying to hide something...its a simple as that but can get more complicated go watch 48 hours or some cop show and watch them do an interrogation and you will understand what i mean.
If they have info about ppl who will harm us and arent talking thats enough they themselves dont need to be the ones plotting. AGAIN THE SUCESS OF WATERBOARDING IS DEBATEABLE EVEN IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO THINK OTHERWISE ITS A FACT.
Again you believe that i believe waterboarding should be the first thing ppl do I dont i believe it should be one of the last but certainly not taken off the table like alot of so called moral atheist believe
How long doesnt matter to me as ive already stated if waterboarding isnt working move on to something else...Again you assume these ppl are just running around waterboarding everyone they can get their hands on that ASSumption is moronic, this technique was used when it needed to be used not for everyday interrogations. If you KNOW that they have information then guess what there is not stopping you get that info one way or the other.
