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Camera grid to log number plates in United Kingdom
« on: May 24, 2009, 03:05:11 PM »
This is certainly a huge pile of Dung.


Camera grid to log number plates
By Richard Bilton
Special correspondent, BBC News

A national network of cameras and computers automatically logging car number plates will be in place within months, the BBC has learned.

Thousands of Automatic Number Plate Recognition cameras are already operating on Britain's roads.

Police forces across England, Wales and Scotland will soon be able to share the information on one central computer.

Officers say it is a useful tool in fighting crime, but critics say the network is secretive and unregulated.

Kent's Chief Constable, Michael Fuller, commented: "We've seen an increase of some 40% of arrests since we've been using this technology.

"I'm very confident that we're using it properly and responsibly, and that innocent people have nothing to fear from the way we use it."

A number of local councils are signing up their Closed Circuit Television (CCTV) systems to the ANPR network. As long as the cameras are technically good enough, they can be adapted to take the software.

In towns such as Bradford, Portsmouth and Luton that means greater coverage for the police and more journeys captured and recorded.

John Dean, who is co-ordinating the ANPR network for the Association of Chief Police Officers, said: "It's the finest intelligence-led policing tool we've got.

"It covers so many different areas from crime reduction, crime detection to road safety and everything in between."

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But not everyone thinks it is such a good thing.

John Catt found himself on the wrong side of the ANPR system. He regularly attends anti-war demonstrations outside a factory in Brighton, his home town.

It was at one of these protests that Sussex police put a "marker" on his car. That meant he was added to a "hotlist".

This is a system meant for criminals but John Catt has not been convicted of anything and on a trip to London, the pensioner found himself pulled over by an anti-terror unit.

"I was threatened under the Terrorist Act. I had to answer every question they put to me, and if there were any questions I would refuse to answer, I would be arrested. I thought to myself, what kind of world are we living in?"

Sussex police would not talk about the case.

The police say they do not know how many cameras there are in total, and they say that for operational reasons they will not say where the fixed cameras are positioned.

'Limited resources'

Information Commissioner Richard Thomas, whose job it is to protect personal data, has concerns about the lack of regulation.

He said: "There's very little monitoring. I mean, my office has very limited powers.

"We have very limited resources. We are not actively monitoring that area. You're right to ask the question. No one's checking it at the moment"

The BBC TV series Who's Watching You? asked the Home Secretary, Jacqui Smith, to comment on the Commissioner's views.

"It's something that we will look at further legislation about where necessary," she said.

"I don't think we should lose sight of the very considerable benefits that this technology also brings us, brings law enforcement."

Recent research by Huddersfield University found that the public seemed to share that view. The study took place in Leeds as the ANPR system was being introduced. The vast majority supported the cameras if they caught law breakers, with only a few mentioning concerns about police surveillance.

The police themselves say they have nothing to hide and would welcome the introduction of a regulatory code. But that seems some way off - and for now this secretive system continues to watch us and continues to grow.

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Re: Camera grid to log number plates in United Kingdom
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2009, 03:12:36 PM »
This move towards a total surveillance society was started as a result of Irish Republican activities during the Thatcher administration I believe.  Well now, Ireland is no longer a source of concern for violence in the United Kingdom...Yet they are still expanding the surveillance...  a good example of the ratchet effect...

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Re: Camera grid to log number plates in United Kingdom
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2009, 04:12:06 PM »
This is certainly a huge pile of Dung.




"I'm very confident that we're using it properly and responsibly, and that innocent people have nothing to fear from the way we use it."


You gotta love this logic. I guess the next paragraph is an example of why innocent people  don't have to worry.



John Catt found himself on the wrong side of the ANPR system. He regularly attends anti-war demonstrations outside a factory in Brighton, his home town. It was at one of these protests that Sussex police put a "marker" on his car. That meant he was added to a "hotlist".

This is a system meant for criminals but John Catt has not been convicted of anything and on a trip to London, the pensioner found himself pulled over by an anti-terror unit."I was threatened under the Terrorist Act. I had to answer every question they put to me, and if there were any questions I would refuse to answer, I would be arrested. I thought to myself, what kind of world are we living in?"

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Re: Camera grid to log number plates in United Kingdom
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2009, 04:14:26 PM »
Glad I don't drive.
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Re: Camera grid to log number plates in United Kingdom
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2009, 12:42:18 AM »
Glad I don't drive.

This is what pisses me off about Britain, everything you do is watched monitored and recorded...you put one foot out of line you get a fucking huge fine from the council through your front door, who inform you of the time, date, windspeed, and colour of your arsehole at the time of said transgression. Speed Cameras every 200 yards, security cameras every 50 yards, everytime i go back it feels like living in a police state...

The worst thing about it is no one gives a shit, and those that do are too caught up with their own lives to fking do something about it

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Re: Camera grid to log number plates in United Kingdom
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2009, 01:08:52 AM »
This move towards a total surveillance society was started as a result of Irish Republican activities during the Thatcher administration I believe.  Well now, Ireland is no longer a source of concern for violence in the United Kingdom...Yet they are still expanding the surveillance...  a good example of the ratchet effect...
and I'm sure there were no false flags involved in any of that ;D 


It's always one thing after another after another after another.  It's never just one change, it's a direction.  If people learned that one simple fact, things could get shut down before it ever got started.

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Re: Camera grid to log number plates in United Kingdom
« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2009, 03:45:36 AM »
This is what pisses me off about Britain, everything you do is watched monitored and recorded...you put one foot out of line you get a fucking huge fine from the council through your front door, who inform you of the time, date, windspeed, and colour of your arsehole at the time of said transgression. Speed Cameras every 200 yards, security cameras every 50 yards, everytime i go back it feels like living in a police state...

The worst thing about it is no one gives a shit, and those that do are too caught up with their own lives to fking do something about it

Where I live, no need to drive really:



But it is true. The UK is ok, I don't mind living here but neither do I love it. Over all on a scale for 1-10, it=5.5
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Re: Camera grid to log number plates in United Kingdom
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2009, 03:47:04 AM »
This is what pisses me off about Britain, everything you do is watched monitored and recorded...you put one foot out of line you get a fucking huge fine from the council through your front door, who inform you of the time, date, windspeed, and colour of your arsehole at the time of said transgression. Speed Cameras every 200 yards, security cameras every 50 yards, everytime i go back it feels like living in a police state...

The worst thing about it is no one gives a shit, and those that do are too caught up with their own lives to fking do something about it

Dude, seriously, UK and Israel? Go to Portugal or the South of France or Sweden, of all the places on earth, those two places... ??? :-\
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Re: Camera grid to log number plates in United Kingdom
« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2009, 03:55:43 AM »
Where I live, no need to drive really:



But it is true. The UK is ok, I don't mind living here but neither do I love it. Over all on a scale for 1-10, it=5.5
oh bullshit, you don't get off so easy.  If you're going to give a scale, you have to tell us what is a 1 for you and what is a 10 for you ;D

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Re: Camera grid to log number plates in United Kingdom
« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2009, 04:03:17 AM »
Dude, seriously, UK and Israel? Go to Portugal or the South of France or Sweden, of all the places on earth, those two places... ??? :-\

Yeah theres definately elements of the police state mentality in Israel, but theres no cameras staring at you or the same oppresive big brother feeling I get when im in britain. At least for routine things Israel is better, there's no 'nanny state' brigade, you can shout (and i do mean shout) at a policeman in Israel, argue your position with them and 99.9% of the time they back off (unless your a palestinian in which case your fcked)...the lack of hierarchy is really odd, if you play the system right in Israel you can get away with all sorts of stuff that you could never do in Europe or USA.

But theres the downside of knowing that every phone or skype call abroad is definately being tapped, the hastle at the airport of them going through your luggage, endless corruption in government, and the overt racism...that i dont like one bit.

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Re: Camera grid to log number plates in United Kingdom
« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2009, 04:04:38 AM »
But it is true. The UK is ok, I don't mind living here but neither do I love it. Over all on a scale for 1-10, it=5.5

Where's that St Albans? Nice part of the world

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Re: Camera grid to log number plates in United Kingdom
« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2009, 04:22:04 AM »
oh bullshit, you don't get off so easy.  If you're going to give a scale, you have to tell us what is a 1 for you and what is a 10 for you ;D

I've never lived in a 1 before or a 10. Hmm. York is surely pretty but that isn't everything, that said it is an ok place to study, not much else.

My least favourite place I have ever lived was a shithole industrial town in Korea, which was maybe a 2.5 and my favourite place where I have lived was Berlin, Germany, which I give a 7 to (not because it is pretty, it is not).
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Re: Camera grid to log number plates in United Kingdom
« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2009, 04:24:13 AM »
Where's that St Albans? Nice part of the world

Never been.
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Re: Camera grid to log number plates in United Kingdom
« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2009, 04:25:38 AM »
Yeah theres definately elements of the police state mentality in Israel, but theres no cameras staring at you or the same oppresive big brother feeling I get when im in britain. At least for routine things Israel is better, there's no 'nanny state' brigade, you can shout (and i do mean shout) at a policeman in Israel, argue your position with them and 99.9% of the time they back off (unless your a palestinian in which case your fcked)...the lack of hierarchy is really odd, if you play the system right in Israel you can get away with all sorts of stuff that you could never do in Europe or USA.

But theres the downside of knowing that every phone or skype call abroad is definately being tapped, the hastle at the airport of them going through your luggage, endless corruption in government, and the overt racism...that i dont like one bit.

I would never, ever want to live in Israel. :-\
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Re: Camera grid to log number plates in United Kingdom
« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2009, 04:47:11 AM »
I've never lived in a 1 before or a 10. Hmm. York is surely pretty but that isn't everything, that said it is an ok place to study, not much else.

My least favourite place I have ever lived was a shithole industrial town in Korea, which was maybe a 2.5 and my favourite place where I have lived was Berlin, Germany, which I give a 7 to (not because it is pretty, it is not).
Houston=1  and the possibility of 10 decreases each day corporations have their way :D  ohhhh!

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Re: Camera grid to log number plates in United Kingdom
« Reply #15 on: May 25, 2009, 04:59:13 AM »
Houston=1  and the possibility of 10 decreases each day corporations have their way :D  ohhhh!

How about Wyoming?
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Re: Camera grid to log number plates in United Kingdom
« Reply #16 on: May 25, 2009, 05:03:38 AM »
How about Wyoming?
where?  It ranges quite a bit.  You can find your shit holes and then you have places that are up there on the scale.  No place as low as Houston.  You coudn't pay me to live there.

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Re: Camera grid to log number plates in United Kingdom
« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2009, 05:08:20 AM »
where?  It ranges quite a bit.  You can find your shit holes and then you have places that are up there on the scale.  No place as low as Houston.  You coudn't pay me to live there.

Apparently Wyoming has one of the wealthiest areas in the US. It seems pretty peaceful. If I drove I wouldn't mind living there or a place like Montana.
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« Reply #18 on: May 25, 2009, 06:12:47 AM »
Apparently Wyoming has one of the wealthiest areas in the US. It seems pretty peaceful. If I drove I wouldn't mind living there or a place like Montana.
some pretty cool places in montana.

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Re: Camera grid to log number plates in United Kingdom
« Reply #19 on: May 25, 2009, 06:17:41 AM »
How the frak could the "free" citizens of the UK allow this to happen?

Yay police state.