Dorian Yates - New pics, new thread

[NarcissisticDeity]

Haha, when Ronnie lost to Jay his trademark ass-condition was famously non existant, and his back was fucked from the nerve damage,

Did you not know this?

LMFAO his ' ass condition ' and recall 2001? where he was bigger and your much adored ass condition was better than Jay and he still lost the whole prejudging 

you don't know how contests are judged so don't talk on subjects until you do

[hugestatus]

LMFAO his ' ass condition ' and recall 2001? where he was bigger and your much adored ass condition was better than Jay and he still lost the whole prejudging 

you don't know how contests are judged so don't talk on subjects until you do

"Ass condition" is the new ripped glutes

[NarcissisticDeity]

Yes he would look softer than Dorian, but hardness isn't the only factor I'm afraid. Thanks for playing/sharing your ignorance kid 

exactly my point , no hardness isn't the only factor it's balance & proportion ( Yates ) dryness ( Yates ) posing & presentation ( Yates ) shall I continue?    and this coming from the guy who states Generally accepted that more size everywhere + way more ripped glutes and hams = dominant victory

great interpretation of the IFBB judging criterion 

[NarcissisticDeity]

 You are a truly ignorant person if you think Ronnie had a better front lat spread than Yates. For starters, in pose called front lat spread, Dorian's lats spread much wider than Ronnie's. Add to that Dorian's better midesection and traps and it's game over.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Exactly all he hyperfocuses on his ' detail ' lmfao lets throw out all the criteria in favor of ' detail ' who cares if Dorian's lats in the front latspread take up more space and have a better sweep? who cares if Dorian's balance through out is better , who cares if he's harder or drier lol

[NarcissisticDeity]

"Ass condition" is the new ripped glutes

It's gay under any name

[Bear]

LMFAO his ' ass condition ' and recall 2001? where he was bigger and your much adored ass condition was better than Jay and he still lost the whole prejudging 

you don't know how contests are judged so don't talk on subjects until you do

Haha, everybody knows that as soon as the contestants turn round the judges are looking for lines in the ass, call it gay, that's bodybuilding, ask Troy Alves, no lines in ass = placing less well. If you did not know this you are about 20 years out of date. It is much adored by the judges, which actually effects the contest results I'm afraid. I can see why you would get defensive on the matter though. ROnnie famously 'won it from the back' in 2001 and 2002.

As for proportion, Dorian was no Bob Paris or Lee Labrada, but he did better than these guys because he was bigger overall and in better condition. Haney was outconditioned and less dry than Gaspari but dwarfed him in competition. Both anal-ogies fit my argument well. In the latter scenario Ronnie would have had Haney's size advantage plus Gaspari's ripped glutes, unbeatable combo.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Haha, everybody knows that as soon as the contestants turn round the judges are looking for lines in the ass, call it gay, that's bodybuilding, ask Troy Alves, no lines in ass = placing less well. If you did not know this you are about 20 years out of date. It is much adored by the judges, which actually effects the contest results I'm afraid. I can see why you would get defensive on the matter though. ROnnie famously 'won it from the back' in 2001 and 2002.

As for proportion, Dorian was no Bob Paris or Lee Labrada, but he did better than these guys because he was bigger overall and in better condition. Haney was outconditioned and less dry than Gaspari but dwarfed him in competition. Both anal-ogies fit my argument well. In the latter scenario Ronnie would have had Haney's size advantage plus Gaspari's ripped glutes, unbeatable combo.

You're ignorance falls short again and why? Dorian has striated glutes and Ronnie was very lucky in 01/02 he was outclassed and still ' won '

amd as far as proportion Dorian may not have been Paris or Labrada but he's still leaps & bounds better than Ronnie in this department he did better than these guys because he meet ALL of the criteria better than them NOT just parts of it , that's how it's done

Dorian depending on the year carries more muscular bulk , any year has better density & dryness everywhere not just in the ' ass ' any year has better balance & proportion and better posing & presentation , END OF THE ROAD sorry Ronnie beat for the umpteenth time by Dorian

[Relentless]

Dorian at his best and Ronnie at his best = Victory to Ronnie Coleman. 

As I've said before, the only people who really identify with Dorian's physique are people who don't appreciate or understand what pleasing aesthetics and quality mass are all about. 

Dorian had a great work ethic and a superior intellect and drive.  However, he was not as good as Ronnie Coleman was at his peak.  Dorian at his best couldn't touch Ronnie.

[Hulkster]

yeah, ND is famous for touching up dorian black and whites:

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=230546.0

 

[Relentless]

You're ignorance falls short again and why? Dorian has striated glutes and Ronnie was very lucky in 01/02 he was outclassed and still ' won '

amd as far as proportion Dorian may not have been Paris or Labrada but he's still leaps & bounds better than Ronnie in this department he did better than these guys because he meet ALL of the criteria better than them NOT just parts of it , that's how it's done

Dorian depending on the year carries more muscular bulk , any year has better density & dryness everywhere not just in the ' ass ' any year has better balance & proportion and better posing & presentation , END OF THE ROAD sorry Ronnie beat for the umpteenth time by Dorian

Ronnie was just as lucky in those years as Dorian was in 1994 and 1997. 

[Hulkster]

As I've said before, the only people who really identify with Dorian's physique are people who don't appreciate or understand what pleasing aesthetics and quality mass are all about.  

yup:

[Relentless]

Thing is, I respect the hell out of Dorian and like his personality and approach better than Ronnie's.  However, when it comes to a dominating physique, Ronnie Coleman is not of this planet.  He is without equal, and I think this will hold true for many years to come.  We haven't seen his genetic equivalent yet.

[Relentless]

yup:

There's a thing called "roundness"...and Ronnie annihilates Dorian when it comes to this.  Dorian did not have the round muscle bellies that really distinguish bodybuilders with superior aesthetics.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Dorian at his best and Ronnie at his best = Victory to Ronnie Coleman. 

As I've said before, the only people who really identify with Dorian's physique are people who don't appreciate or understand what pleasing aesthetics and quality mass are all about. 

Dorian had a great work ethic and a superior intellect and drive.  However, he was not as good as Ronnie Coleman was at his peak.  Dorian at his best couldn't touch Ronnie.

purely based on statistics alone victory to Dorian

I always chuckle when people type the words ' aesthetic ' and ' Ronnie ' in the same sentence and I can appreciate what please aesthetics and quality mass are all about hence why I'm a huge fan of Haney and Wheeler both destroy Ronnie in terms of aesthetics . I don't ' identify ' with Dorian's physique , I would never want to emulate either it , I'm strictly basing my opinion on what wins contests and that's the total criteria which favors Yates

and Dorian at his best could more than touch Ronnie , he's beaten him time and time again , sure he wasn't at the level it became however that doesn't mean much how did him improve? added more size and dried out? Dorian wrote the book on the two , at their respective bests Dorian could more than beat Ronnie which Ronnie agrees with

[NarcissisticDeity]

There's a thing called "roundness"...and Ronnie annihilates Dorian when it comes to this.  Dorian did not have the round muscle bellies that really distinguish bodybuilders with superior aesthetics.

Flex wrote the book on roundness and where did that get him? ha ha ha and what really distinguishes a bodybuilder with superior genetics is one who meets ALL of the criteria better than his contemporaries not just parts of it , stop cherry picking what YOU like try basing your opinion on what the judges look for and things change when you look with unbiased eyes

[NarcissisticDeity]

Ronnie was just as lucky in those years as Dorian was in 1994 and 1997. 

1994 NO contest Ray wasn't even close not on paper or in reality , Jay & Kev were , 1997 you can argue but Ronnie was in real danger

[NarcissisticDeity]

yeah, ND is famous for touching up dorian black and whites:

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=230546.0

 

yeah Hulkster is famous for making up quotes and knowingly using enhanced screencaps that Kevin Horton exposed him on lol

[Hulkster]

I always chuckle when people type the words ' aesthetic ' and ' Ronnie ' in the same sentence

thats because you don't know what you are talking about...

 

show me one other 260 pounder who had the muscle bellies and taper like this:

[NarcissisticDeity]

Thing is, I respect the hell out of Dorian and like his personality and approach better than Ronnie's.  However, when it comes to a dominating physique, Ronnie Coleman is not of this planet.  He is without equal, and I think this will hold true for many years to come.  We haven't seen his genetic equivalent yet.

Dorian dominated in a fashion even Ronnie couldn't , he's hands down the most dominate bodybuilder in the history of the IFBB 19 contests with 17 wins never once placing below second , losing just twice , as far as who has the more dominating physique Dorian wins clearly it's not open for debate and he dominated guys that Ronnie had problems with and they were closer to their primes to boot

[Relentless]

Flex wrote the book on roundness and where did that get him? ha ha ha and what really distinguishes a bodybuilder with superior genetics is one who meets ALL of the criteria better than his contemporaries not just parts of it , stop cherry picking what YOU like try basing your opinion on what the judges look for and things change when you look with unbiased eyes

I can barely decipher your drivel, but here's my response.  

Just because a person is a bodybuilding judge does not mean they have any more reason to judge a bodybuilding contest than I.  Is there a school for bodybuilding judging?  Is my eye any less trained than a pro bodybuilding judge?  Have the bodybuilding judges really done a good job in promoting physiques that will appeal to a widespread audience?  Unbiased eyes?  I don't have a vested stake in seeing any bodybuilder win anything...but many of the IFBB judges have friends and relationships with the people onstage.  Does that make their opinion truly objective?  

Dorian met the criteria better than his contemporaries? According to whom?  You seem to place a ton of value in bodybuilding judges...which is ridiculous.  Many of these guys can't even describe in detail why a guy is better or worse than his competitors.  Pro bodybuilding judging is a joke...just like saying Dorian is better than Ronnie.

This sport is subjective and you have every right to your opinion...but the general bodybuilding community perceives Ronnie Coleman as the greatest bodybuilder of all time.  

[Relentless]

yeah Hulkster is famous for making up quotes and knowingly using enhanced screencaps that Kevin Horton exposed him on lol

Who cares about Kevin Horton?  What does his opinion matter on anything?  Because he is a Dorian worshiper we should all pay him credence?  PLEASE!

[Relentless]

Dorian dominated in a fashion even Ronnie couldn't , he's hands down the most dominate bodybuilder in the history of the IFBB 19 contests with 17 wins never once placing below second , losing just twice , as far as who has the more dominating physique Dorian wins clearly it's not open for debate and he dominated guys that Ronnie had problems with and they were closer to their primes to boot

"You are only as good as those who you compete against." 

"If you have an spotless record, you aren't facing tough enough of competition."

Dorian didn't compete as much as Ronnie, or he certainly would have faced some losses.  Dorian's career was rather brief, while Ronnie competed for a longer period of time. 

[NarcissisticDeity]

I can barely decipher your drivel, but here's my response.  

Just because a person is a bodybuilding judge does not mean they have any more reason to judge a bodybuilding contest than I.  Is there a school for bodybuilding judging?  Is my eye any less trained than a pro bodybuilding judge?  Have the bodybuilding judges really done a good job in promoting physiques that will appeal to a widespread audience?  Unbiased eyes?  I don't have a vested stake in seeing any bodybuilder win anything...but many of the IFBB judges have friends and relationships with the people onstage.  Does that make their opinion truly objective?  

Dorian met the criteria better than his contemporaries? According to whom?  You seem to place a ton of value in bodybuilding judges...which is ridiculous.  Many of these guys can't even describe in detail why a guy is better or worse than his competitors.  Pro bodybuilding judging is a joke...just like saying Dorian is better than Ronnie.

This sport is subjective and you have every right to your opinion...but the general bodybuilding community perceives Ronnie Coleman as the greatest bodybuilder of all time.  

Ha ha ha you sound just like Hulkster you're just as qualified to judge as the judges are lol taken you seriously ends with this statement , and in fact there are seminars judges have to attended and they have to cut their teeth on the lower levels for years to qualify to become one at the top levels and their job isn't to pick physiques on what sells to the masses , their job is to pick the physique that best fits the criterion

And who said Dorian fit the criteria better? the judges did hence why he's the most dominating physique of all time , and if the judges opinions are a joke than all of your heros wins are as well , you can't have it both ways . YOU like most people base your opinion on what you prefer and what you think wins contests , we've already established you don't know how contests are judges and don't put much stock in them anyway , so your opinion is purely based on preference

This sport is subjective and you have every right to your opinion...but the general bodybuilding community perceives Ronnie Coleman as the greatest bodybuilder of all time.

Ronnie is technically the greatest bodybuilder of all time and I don't have a problem with that it doesn't mean anything because he never faced a prime Dorian Yates and when posed the question multiple times the greatest bodybuilder of all time said he thinks he wouldn't beat Dorian that carries a hell of a lot more weight than your opinion and the bodybuilding community don't judges contests , judges do

[NarcissisticDeity]

Who cares about Kevin Horton?  What does his opinion matter on anything?  Because he is a Dorian worshiper we should all pay him credence?  PLEASE!

You just keep getting things wrong and making assumptions ( great logic by the way ) Kevin Horton never once took sides all he did was expose Hulkster for using enhanced screencaps or Ronnie so on the topic of photoshopped pics his opinion is LAW and why? he's one of the best contest photographers in the business , so wrong once again 

[Relentless]

Ha ha ha you sound just like Hulkster you're just as qualified to judge as the judges are lol taken you seriously ends with this statement , and in fact there are seminars judges have to attended and they have to cut their teeth on the lower levels for years to qualify to become one at the top levels and their job isn't to pick physiques on what sells to the masses , their job is to pick the physique that best fits the criterion

And who said Dorian fit the criteria better? the judges did hence why he's the most dominating physique of all time , and if the judges opinions are a joke than all of your heros wins are as well , you can't have it both ways . YOU like most people base your opinion on what you prefer and what you think wins contests , we've already established you don't know how contests are judges and don't put much stock in them anyway , so your opinion is purely based on preference

Ronnie is technically the greatest bodybuilder of all time and I don't have a problem with that it doesn't mean anything because he never faced a prime Dorian Yates and when posed the question multiple times the greatest bodybuilder of all time said he thinks he wouldn't beat Dorian that carries a hell of a lot more weight than your opinion and the bodybuilding community don't judges contests , judges do

Thanks for pointing out the obvious, Sherlock.  And you know what?  That's probably one of the reasons why this sport has gone into the shitter since the mid-90s.  Nobody wants to see a bloated guy with torn muscles beat guys who look like Greek gods.