Dorian Yates - New pics, new thread

[Neptune100]

Ronnie is technically the greatest bodybuilder of all time and I don't have a problem with that it doesn't mean anything because he never faced a prime Dorian Yates and when posed the question multiple times the greatest bodybuilder of all time said he thinks he wouldn't beat Dorian that carries a hell of a lot more weight than your opinion and the bodybuilding community don't judges contests , judges do

Your "sources" are awful. Some Special Ed conversation that no one has heard? Some article in Flex years ago I'll believe it when I see it and it is probably misquoted anyways, and some third source I have no clue about.   Dorian inferred in that interview that Ronnie would win. Im both a Dorian and Ronnie fan, but dude youre in denial if you dont agree that Dorian said Ronnie would "probably" win, which is what he kept saying, meaning that Ronnie has the advantage.

[NarcissisticDeity]

"You are only as good as those who you compete against." 

"If you have an spotless record, you aren't facing tough enough of competition."

Dorian didn't compete as much as Ronnie, or he certainly would have faced some losses.  Dorian's career was rather brief, while Ronnie competed for a longer period of time. 

What's funny is you'll agree the 1990s is the best era for bodybuilding and who dominated much of them? Dorian Yates

Dorian DOMINATED guys Ronnie had massive ammounts of trouble with , Dorian beat a near prime Flex in 1993 , Ronnie at his admitted best Olympia showing almost lost to a Flex who was a shell of his former self , Levrone in 2000/2002 no where near as perfect as he was in 1995 when Dorian destroyed him almost beat Ronnie , I mean the list goes on

Dorian didn't compete as much as Ronnie ? so what he didn't need to he was dominate from the beginning his first pro contest ever he placed second , his first Olympia placed second and actually did something NO ONE ever did beat Haney in the muscularity round , his second Olympia he won , he was a pure winner

88% win/loss ratio to Ronnie's 40% that is dominance

[NarcissisticDeity]

Thanks for pointing out the obvious, Sherlock.  And you know what?  That's probably one of the reasons why this sport has gone into the shitter since the mid-90s.  Nobody wants to see a bloated guy with torn muscles beat guys who look like Greek gods. 

ha ha ha ha see most of Coleman's reign Levrone touching on the topic

The plain truth is that I beat Ronnie last year [2000] and Jay Cutler beat Ronnie this year. You should not win the Mr. Olympia if your stomach is hanging out -- period. Last year, I patted Ronnie's stomach during the posedown to draw attention to the fact that he was bloated. That tactic obviously didn't work, and Ronnie beat me in the posedown to successfully defend his title for a third straight Mr. O triumph.


So now the show rolls around and Jay Cutler beats Ronnie in both prejudging rounds: symmetry and muscularity. Ronnie was spilling over with too much water during the muscularity round, and Cutler took it to him in many of the poses that Coleman usually dominates.

How can Cutler lose this contest if he wins in both symmetry and muscularity? How can Ronnie retain his title if his midsection is bloated and distended? Why should the fans get behind a champion who can't present an aesthetic image of what bodybuilding is supposed to be all about?

I'm talking about classical proportions, perfect symmetry and ideal conditioning. Based on that ideal, I should have won the Sandow in 2000, and Cutler should have taken it in 2001.

The fans deserve better than what they are getting. I'm already working hard to ensure that, in 2002, a true peoples' champ can strip the title away from Ronnie Coleman.

so much for your theory of an aesthetic Coleman lol

[NarcissisticDeity]

Your "sources" are awful. Some Special Ed conversation that no one has heard? Some article in Flex years ago I'll believe it when I see it and it is probably misquoted anyways, and some third source I have no clue about.   Dorian inferred in that interview that Ronnie would win. Im both a Dorian and Ronnie fan, but dude youre in denial if you dont agree that Dorian said Ronnie would "probably" win, which is what he kept saying, meaning that Ronnie has the advantage.

NO my ' sources ' plural are NOT ' awful ' Flex magazine is as good as it gets and the Special Ed ' conversation ' was on the radio which everyone heard just because you didn't don't try and down play it , these are Ronnie's words just because you don't like them doesn't mean anything 

yes he said ' probably ' he also said ' I guess . I don't know " stop cherry picking , that's not definitive it's him wondering , Ronnie's quotes leave nothing to speculate he says outright he thinks Dorian would win and a few occasions , does it mean it's true? NO......but on the topic his opinion sure means a lot more than you

[NarcissisticDeity]

Jon Hotten Muscle :
[Coleman's 1998 Olympia victory] was not a definitive win. In 99, Big Ron was lucky to defeat Flex Wheeler again. Levrone thought he'd beaten him twice, in 2000 and 2002. At the 2002 show, Levrone had won both of the evening rounds (a year on, at the Olympia press conference before the 2003 show, Coleman would chide Levrone, asking him, 'When was the last time you beat me?' Levrone replied, 'Last year.'). In 2001, Jay Cutler beat Ronnie in both the first two rounds and lost by four points.


Coleman had not replicated the dominance of Haney and Yates. He always seemed slightly vulnerable, protected as much by protocol as his physique.



pointing out the obvious , Dorian dominates like NO other , so much for your theory about Coleman's dominating physique

[Relentless]

Jon Hotten Muscle :
[Coleman's 1998 Olympia victory] was not a definitive win. In 99, Big Ron was lucky to defeat Flex Wheeler again. Levrone thought he'd beaten him twice, in 2000 and 2002. At the 2002 show, Levrone had won both of the evening rounds (a year on, at the Olympia press conference before the 2003 show, Coleman would chide Levrone, asking him, 'When was the last time you beat me?' Levrone replied, 'Last year.'). In 2001, Jay Cutler beat Ronnie in both the first two rounds and lost by four points.


Coleman had not replicated the dominance of Haney and Yates. He always seemed slightly vulnerable, protected as much by protocol as his physique.



pointing out the obvious , Dorian dominates like NO other , so much for your theory about Coleman's dominating physique

Is your IQ north of 100?  You're not the brightest bulb on the shelf, ND.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Is your IQ north of 100?  You're not the brightest bulb on the shelf, ND.

It's well past 100  and the old ad hominem attack huh? ironic you question my IQ when you're reduced to attacking the messenger because you don't touch the message.

[Relentless]

Jon Hotten Muscle :
[Coleman's 1998 Olympia victory] was not a definitive win. In 99, Big Ron was lucky to defeat Flex Wheeler again. Levrone thought he'd beaten him twice, in 2000 and 2002. At the 2002 show, Levrone had won both of the evening rounds (a year on, at the Olympia press conference before the 2003 show, Coleman would chide Levrone, asking him, 'When was the last time you beat me?' Levrone replied, 'Last year.'). In 2001, Jay Cutler beat Ronnie in both the first two rounds and lost by four points.


Coleman had not replicated the dominance of Haney and Yates. He always seemed slightly vulnerable, protected as much by protocol as his physique.



pointing out the obvious , Dorian dominates like NO other , so much for your theory about Coleman's dominating physique

Quit recycling some else's ideas as your own, ND.  You don't have an original thought or argument in your noggin.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Quit recycling some else's ideas as your own, ND.  You don't have an original thought or argument in your noggin.

That's not recycling anything it's proving my point it's called convergence of evidence , you might try it some time

[Relentless]

It's well past 100  and the old ad hominem attack huh? ironic you question my IQ when you're reduced to attacking the messenger because you don't touch the message.

You can't be reasoned with, so I'm coming down to your level and playing in the gutter.  

In all seriousness, what's your deal with Dorian?  

[Danimal77]

no it's not like that Dorian 1990 was 220 pounds and 1993 was 257 BIG difference idiot

Ronnie 1996 250 pounds Ronnie 1999 257 pounds not much difference

1997/1999 he looks better in 97 smaller tighter midsection and much sharper delts

Actually, Dorian was in his HIGH 220's in 1990 when he faced Momo.

[Relentless]

That's not recycling anything it's proving my point it's called convergence of evidence , you might try it some time

Convergence of evidence?  Nice try, but no.

Your love of Dorian knows no bounds, ND.  Have you ever met your beloved King Yates to bask in his eternal glory and might?

[Relentless]

NO my ' sources ' plural are NOT ' awful ' Flex magazine is as good as it gets and the Special Ed ' conversation ' was on the radio which everyone heard just because you didn't don't try and down play it , these are Ronnie's words just because you don't like them doesn't mean anything 

yes he said ' probably ' he also said ' I guess . I don't know " stop cherry picking , that's not definitive it's him wondering , Ronnie's quotes leave nothing to speculate he says outright he thinks Dorian would win and a few occasions , does it mean it's true? NO......but on the topic his opinion sure means a lot more than you

LOL!  Good stuff, ND.  Keep it comin'!

[NarcissisticDeity]

You can't be reasoned with, so I'm coming down to your level and playing in the gutter.  

In all seriousness, what's your deal with Dorian?  

Reasoned with? by saying judge are a joke and you're just as qualified to judges as they are? reasoned with? lol I never attacked your personally so you're in your own gutter

and my deal with Dorian is he would beat Ronnie , I don't want to look like him , I don't train like him , he's not my favorite bodybuilder strictly on the topic on VS Ronnie he would win

[NarcissisticDeity]

Actually, Dorian was in his HIGH 220's in 1990 when he faced Momo.

right I believe 228

[NarcissisticDeity]

Convergence of evidence?  Nice try, but no.

Your love of Dorian knows no bounds, ND.  Have you ever met your beloved King Yates to bask in his eternal glory and might?

Ha ha ha again you don't prove me wrong you just say I'm wrong great way to prove your case

and I have never seen Yates , never emailed Yates I don't even own blood & guts although I have his book but I have most bodybuilding books

[io856]

Actually, Dorian was in his HIGH 220's in 1990 when he faced Momo.

Do you have pics of Dorian at that bodyweight?

[NarcissisticDeity]

LOL!  Good stuff, ND.  Keep it comin'!

The Flex magazine interview with Ronnie is no good? you think they took it out of context lmao like most Coleman fans I can always count on you for a laugh 

[RocketSwitch625]

Yates early career crushes Coleman early career:

[Relentless]

What's funny is you'll agree the 1990s is the best era for bodybuilding and who dominated much of them? Dorian Yates
I think the 90s were the best decade in bodybuilding, but I do not think Dorian was the best bodybuilder.

Dorian DOMINATED guys Ronnie had massive ammounts of trouble with , Dorian beat a near prime Flex in 1993 , Ronnie at his admitted best Olympia showing almost lost to a Flex who was a shell of his former self , Levrone in 2000/2002 no where near as perfect as he was in 1995 when Dorian destroyed him almost beat Ronnie , I mean the list goes on
Things change - just because I beat you today doesn't mean you won't beat me tomorrow.  The competition got better, and Ronnie got better as well.  Ronnie was just coming into his own as Dorian was exiting the sport.

Dorian didn't compete as much as Ronnie ? so what he didn't need to he was dominate from the beginning his first pro contest ever he placed second , his first Olympia placed second and actually did something NO ONE ever did beat Haney in the muscularity round , his second Olympia he won , he was a pure winner
Ok? What does any of this mean?  Some people are late bloomers - it doesn't mean anything that Dorian started out faster while Ronnie took time to get his physique to Olympia-winning form.

88% win/loss ratio to Ronnie's 40% that is dominance
If winning is everything, Ronnie won 8 titles to Dorian's six.  Winning percentage isn't the final measure, its WINS that count in the court of public opinion.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Do you have pics of Dorian at that bodyweight?

[io856]

wow it looks like he put on muscle exactly where he needed it i.e. shoulders, traps + arms

seems like his calves got bigger too

he most certainly achieved supreme balance

[NarcissisticDeity]

I think the 90s were the best decade in bodybuilding, but I do not think Dorian was the best bodybuilder.

It doesn't matter if you think he was the best , what matters is who dominated most of the 1990s? Dorian

things change - just because I beat you today doesn't mean you won't beat me tomorrow.  The competition got better, and Ronnie got better as well.  Ronnie was just coming into his own as Dorian was exiting the sport.

Ronnie had 5 years to beat Dorian and failed at every turn , did he improve? sure what areas? conditioning and size  , and? Dorian wrote the book on both those areas and seeing how the 1990s is condsidered this best era as of late looks like the sport hasn't ' improved ' Dorian never face a prime Ronnie true and Ronnie never faced a prime Dorian

Ok? What does any of this mean?  Some people are late bloomers - it doesn't mean anything that Dorian started out faster while Ronnie took time to get his physique to Olympia-winning form.

late bloomers? if you mean he beat guys past their primes that Dorian dominated in theirs? that type of late bloomer? my point was Dorian dominated right from the get go he's simply a more dominate bodybuilder

If winning is everything, Ronnie won 8 titles to Dorian's two.  Winning percentage isn't the final measure, its WINS that count in the court of public opinion.

winning isn't everything yet you boast about the superior number of Sandows lol more great logic , winning percentage is the ONLY thing when it comes to dominating over the course of his career , Ronnie has more wins and more Sandows , Dorian's career was ended with injuries no need to speculate if he remained uninjured if he would have kept winning

[NarcissisticDeity]

wow it looks like he put on muscle exactly where he needed it i.e. shoulders, traps + arms

seems like his calves got bigger too

he most certainly achieved supreme balance

Yates touches on the fact that people underrate him on his balance


[ Q ] What were some of your better physical qualities as a bodybuilder, do you think?


Obviously I carried a lot of muscle mass and my trademark was to come into a show in super hard condition. I think my muscles had a certain quality and density from all the years of heavy training that a lot of guys didn't have.



One thing that I think people underrated me on - it was never really mentioned because of my sheer physical size and condition - was my balance and proportion. Not only from muscle group to muscle group, but from upper body to lower body. My skeletal structure and everything else was there and in good balance.

[NarcissisticDeity]

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