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Re: Dorian Yates - New pics, new thread
« Reply #250 on: June 01, 2009, 06:34:36 PM »
Don't you think Dorian probably should have only won 2 or 3?  He was vastly overrated.  Torn muscles shouldn't be winning the biggest contests in the world.  

yes, he was vastly overrated.

92 was debatable -Kevin was awesome but yates owned him from the back
93 - yates
94 shawn - dorian looking bloated, fat and drunk (see pic) lol
95- dorian in good shape, but still that missing bi. nasser again owned from the front..
96 shawn - see muscletime
97 - nasser easily.


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Re: Dorian Yates - New pics, new thread
« Reply #251 on: June 01, 2009, 06:36:16 PM »
See when you type he was vastly overrated it shows your ignorance because he was the direct opposite ,

then explain why his post tear wins are looked down upon so much by the bb community - hell even his pre tear 92 win is viewed by some as a sham - see musctime lol
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Re: Dorian Yates - New pics, new thread
« Reply #252 on: June 01, 2009, 07:16:03 PM »
See when you type he was vastly overrated it shows your ignorance because he was the direct opposite , he was leaps & bounds better than anyone even at his worse , we already established you don't know how contests are judged and don't care , you don't know what conditioning is lol you're a typical Coleman fan

You're exaggerating ND. Yates wasn't leaps and bounds better than Levrone in 1992, Flex in 1993, Shawn in 1994, Shawn in 1996 and Nasser in 1997. All of those men could have taken it that year. There was a natural tendency for the victor of the previous year to still hold the title regardless of what he brought to the table and this has been true since 1985. The streak was finally broken in 2006 (not rightfully so THAT year). I think Dorian WAS deserving from 1992-1995 (1994 IS debatable), but beyond that, he was a SHELL of his former self and there were other competitors who had a lot to offer and who were also injury free.

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Re: Dorian Yates - New pics, new thread
« Reply #253 on: June 01, 2009, 07:25:26 PM »
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1996 his conditioning was awesome , please go learn what conditioning is and then apologize

please go and learn that by 1996 his arms and quads were terrible. national level at best:

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now apolgize :P
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Re: Dorian Yates - New pics, new thread
« Reply #254 on: June 01, 2009, 07:27:28 PM »
You're exaggerating ND. Yates wasn't leaps and bounds better than Levrone in 1992, Flex in 1993, Shawn in 1994, Shawn in 1996 and Nasser in 1997. All of those men could have taken it that year. There was a natural tendency for the victor of the previous year to still hold the title regardless of what he brought to the table and this has been true since 1985. The streak was finally broken in 2006 (not rightfully so THAT year). I think Dorian WAS deserving from 1992-1995 (1994 IS debatable), but beyond that, he was a SHELL of his former self and there were other competitors who had a lot to offer and who were also injury free.

agreed.

and the pics and vids corroborate.
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Re: Dorian Yates - New pics, new thread
« Reply #255 on: June 01, 2009, 07:39:43 PM »
You're exaggerating ND. Yates wasn't leaps and bounds better than Levrone in 1992, Flex in 1993, Shawn in 1994, Shawn in 1996 and Nasser in 1997. All of those men could have taken it that year. There was a natural tendency for the victor of the previous year to still hold the title regardless of what he brought to the table and this has been true since 1985. The streak was finally broken in 2006 (not rightfully so THAT year). I think Dorian WAS deserving from 1992-1995 (1994 IS debatable), but beyond that, he was a SHELL of his former self and there were other competitors who had a lot to offer and who were also injury free.

Great post, Danimal!  Right on the money.

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Re: Dorian Yates - New pics, new thread
« Reply #256 on: June 01, 2009, 08:19:17 PM »
yes, he was vastly overrated.

92 was debatable -Kevin was awesome but yates owned him from the back
93 - yates
94 shawn - dorian looking bloated, fat and drunk (see pic) lol
95- dorian in good shape, but still that missing bi. nasser again owned from the front..
96 shawn - see muscletime
97 - nasser easily.


dorian had

Dorian loved to dry out the night before a contest with vodka shots.

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Re: Dorian Yates - New pics, new thread
« Reply #257 on: June 01, 2009, 08:21:17 PM »
Dorian loved to dry out the night before a contest with vodka shots.


yes, these are all for him!:
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Re: Dorian Yates - New pics, new thread
« Reply #258 on: June 01, 2009, 08:23:19 PM »
Dorian with Bev at NY Pro 2009,May 16 2009
(pic courtesy of flexonline.com)

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Re: Dorian Yates - New pics, new thread
« Reply #259 on: June 01, 2009, 08:39:22 PM »
there is no comparison 8)
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Re: Dorian Yates - New pics, new thread
« Reply #260 on: June 01, 2009, 08:42:05 PM »
92-96 weren't even debatable - Dorian dominated those years.  I thought Nasser was deserving in 97.  Btw....Hulkster is at his usual comparing a relaxed shot of Dorian to a shot of Ray in the MM to prove that Ray was superior in 94.  94 wasn't even close.  

Here is my Hulkster impression.....Kevin should have won in 02 - look at these pics and you can see why.

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Re: Dorian Yates - New pics, new thread
« Reply #261 on: June 01, 2009, 08:47:35 PM »
Here's a better comparison "trophy" shot Hulkster....

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Re: Dorian Yates - New pics, new thread
« Reply #262 on: June 01, 2009, 08:56:46 PM »
It's almost impossible to determine anything based off individual picture comparisons.  Pointless, really.

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Re: Dorian Yates - New pics, new thread
« Reply #263 on: June 01, 2009, 08:59:13 PM »
Yates looked great in 94.  Admittedly it wasn't his best year, but he still dominated.

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Re: Dorian Yates - New pics, new thread
« Reply #264 on: June 01, 2009, 09:07:36 PM »
yes, he was vastly overrated.

92 was debatable -Kevin was awesome but yates owned him from the back
93 - yates
94 shawn - dorian looking bloated, fat and drunk (see pic) lol
95- dorian in good shape, but still that missing bi. nasser again owned from the front..
96 shawn - see muscletime
97 - nasser easily.


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Yeah, Dorian looks bloated, fat, and drunk here.... ::)

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Re: Dorian Yates - New pics, new thread
« Reply #265 on: June 01, 2009, 09:10:54 PM »
lol great pic royal lion lol

shawn is killing dorian in the front double bi - vaccum and everything.

dorian has one arm there..

and he is holding his own in the back shot, just as contest reviewers like Musclemag pointed out.

and its easy to see why:

shawn has better arms, ripped glutes, better hams, great back detail.

dorian has the edge in upper back thickness and calves, thats about it.

not the total massacre you would expect. shawn was that good that year:
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Re: Dorian Yates - New pics, new thread
« Reply #266 on: June 01, 2009, 09:31:03 PM »
lol great pic royal lion lol

shawn is killing dorian in the front double bi - vaccum and everything.

dorian has one arm there..

and he is holding his own in the back shot, just as contest reviewers like Musclemag pointed out.

and its easy to see why:

shawn has better arms, ripped glutes, better hams, great back detail.

dorian has the edge in upper back thickness and calves, thats about it.

not the total massacre you would expect. shawn was that good that year:
Shawn did look great that year and his conditioning was better than Dorian's.  However, Dorian was what, 40lbs heavier and nearly as conditioned.  In that fdb shot, Shawn's vacuum pose looks great, but Dorian dwarfs him, as he did in nearly all other poses.  Dorian wins the rdb shot, the rear lat spread, the side tricep shot, side chest shot, the front lat spread - Ray gets the most muscular (not a mandatory then) and even the ab shot (which would be close) and the front dbl bicep shot.  Dorian still wins.

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Re: Dorian Yates - New pics, new thread
« Reply #267 on: June 01, 2009, 09:56:35 PM »
lol great pic royal lion lol

shawn is killing dorian in the front double bi - vaccum and everything.

dorian has one arm there..

and he is holding his own in the back shot, just as contest reviewers like Musclemag pointed out.

and its easy to see why:

shawn has better arms, ripped glutes, better hams, great back detail.

dorian has the edge in upper back thickness and calves, thats about it.

not the total massacre you would expect. shawn was that good that year:

Dorian is killing Shawn here...Dorian is way more conditioned. And that front double bi is laughable for Shawn, he's so small you don't even notice him....just like the 95 prejudging video. Dorian's thickness in that shot is killing everyone

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Re: Dorian Yates - New pics, new thread
« Reply #268 on: June 01, 2009, 10:25:59 PM »
Dorian is killing Shawn here...Dorian is way more conditioned. And that front double bi is laughable for Shawn, he's so small you don't even notice him....just like the 95 prejudging video. Dorian's thickness in that shot is killing everyone



How can you rationalize Dorian's horrible biceps?  His arms aren't top 5 caliber.  I'm sorry, that's a HUGE weakness.

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Re: Dorian Yates - New pics, new thread
« Reply #269 on: June 01, 2009, 10:29:10 PM »
How can you rationalize Dorian's horrible biceps?  His arms aren't top 5 caliber.  I'm sorry, that's a HUGE weakness.
His right bicep looks just fine - in fact his right arm looks better than Ray's.  His left bicep was torn and it did detract in certain poses.  However, as Dorian has said, if he loses the front dbl biceps pose but wins on the rest of the criteria, he wins the Mr. O.

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Re: Dorian Yates - New pics, new thread
« Reply #270 on: June 01, 2009, 10:48:38 PM »
ronnie at his prime had better arms then anybody in de biz

Great post from a great poster ;D

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Re: Dorian Yates - New pics, new thread
« Reply #271 on: June 01, 2009, 10:59:30 PM »
Here is another Hulkster imitation  :)

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Re: Dorian Yates - New pics, new thread
« Reply #272 on: June 02, 2009, 01:30:21 AM »
You're exaggerating ND. Yates wasn't leaps and bounds better than Levrone in 1992, Flex in 1993, Shawn in 1994, Shawn in 1996 and Nasser in 1997. All of those men could have taken it that year. There was a natural tendency for the victor of the previous year to still hold the title regardless of what he brought to the table and this has been true since 1985. The streak was finally broken in 2006 (not rightfully so THAT year). I think Dorian WAS deserving from 1992-1995 (1994 IS debatable), but beyond that, he was a SHELL of his former self and there were other competitors who had a lot to offer and who were also injury free.

Ha ha ha sure he wasn't Dorian was eons better at his best than ANYONE and even at his worse he was still better than anyone on stage bodybuilding history corrects your nonsense my friend ,there is a very good reason that the victor from the previous year usually wins even not at his best , it's because he was still miles above anyone else on stage

1992 Dorian destroyed Levrone and whats ironic is you'll get no argument from Kevin , he's never claimed he beat Yates , he claimed he beat Ronnie twice

1993 Flex was a very distant second and in absolutely NO danger of beating Dorian , to echo Samir Bannout's sentiment Yates was first , second and third and , Flex himself said Dorian was untouchable that year , and ironic he he lost to Ronniie 1999 he turned his back on him and claimed he was number 1 , like Levrone you wont find Flex saying he ever deserved to beat Dorian

1994 NO contest despite all the claims to the contrary Shawn wasn't beating Dorian ont on paper or in reality , in fact he was trailing Kevin Levrone after the prejudging for THIRD PLACE and only surpassed him not on the merits of physique but with a better posing routine , and regardless of how Shawn backpeddled after the fact the day of the contest he said he got the placing he deserved

1996 again wasn't close in reality , Dorian was a tad smaller than usual but still the best man on stage

1997 is the only contest one can argue Dorian could have lost or should have been a closer contest

Dorian even at his worse was still far beyond his contemporaries the same with Lee Haney and to a degree Ronnie which is why they never lost even when they were off from their personal best , you can cry politics all you want and how the judging is wrong or fixed which means you don't know anything about the sport and are a hypocrite for having the balls to say they judges get it right when you agree , lets play your game

Flex could have very easily beaten Ronnie in 1998 in all actuality this is one of the closest contests with first and second separated by just 3 points

1999 a clear cut victory for Ronnie despite Flex saying he was number 1

2000 Levrone claims he won this one despite Ronnie being off from the previous two years

2001 whoa nelly another contest Ronnie technically lost by losing the whole prejudging but somehow beat Jay in the posing rounds lol another extremely close contest separated from just 2 points

2002 another year Levone claims he won this one too and he won both posing rounds to boot , another close contest

2003 no contest

2004 Jay moving closer and closer another very close contest just 3 points separates the winner and loser

2005 Ronnie won not but still close on paper

2006 Ronnie lost

the reality of the situation is Ronnie in all actuality was in a very real danger of losing even at his best on multiple occasions , Dorian wasn't these are facts all you can do is deny them but history owns you .

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Re: Dorian Yates - New pics, new thread
« Reply #273 on: June 02, 2009, 02:51:12 AM »
In 92, Kevin Smoked Dorian everywhere (except Back thickness , with better details though) but they couldn’t give it to him since he was an O first timer.  :-\

In 93, Flex had more pleasing physique and personally I think he deserved the win on my opinion to a very close second Dorian but he was an O first timer too.  8)

In 94, Dorian should have been 3rd.  He was owned by Shawn & Kevin

In 95, he was at his best condition but with a missing body part so there was no way in hell he could beat  Kevin, Shawn & Nassir that year. so I am giving him 4th that year.

In 96, one of the worst showing and should have been 5th after Shawn, Nasser, Kevin & Ronnie

In 97, Shouldn’t have been in the TOP 6.  :-\


As for Ronnie,

98 was a very tough year and probable the Best Olympia ever.  Many people argue that Flex Deserved the win that year and some says Nasser was the clear winner.  In my opinion they all look great but I would pick Kevin Levrone that year for the win!

99 No one deserved an Olympia win like Ronnie did that year.

00 Kevin should have taken the title with Ronnie in a very close second.

01 Ronnie should have been 4th after Cutler, Levrone,& Ray

02 Ronnie should have been 3rd here after Kevin Levrone & Guntar!

03 No Contest but Kevin should have been at least 4th

04,05.. etc  mean nothing to me since there is no Kevin Levrone
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Re: Dorian Yates - New pics, new thread
« Reply #274 on: June 02, 2009, 02:53:08 AM »
Dorian in tip top shape without the tear..ala 93 is very tough to beat

he was soo complete

ronnie in 2003 is just...too much ..diff league although the gut is horrid