Dorian Yates - New pics, new thread

[Relentless]

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I give you our multiple-Olympia "winner" with perfect scores.

I'm with you on this one, pumpster.  Dorian is not the man who should have represented the best of bodybuilding 1992-1997.  He did deserve some of those wins, but his physique deteriorated and he kept getting rewarded. 

[Hulkster]

He did deserve some of those wins, but his physique deteriorated and he kept getting rewarded.   
 

 

agreed.

[Royal Lion]

I'm with you on this one, pumpster.  Dorian is not the man who should have represented the best of bodybuilding 1992-1997.  He did deserve some of those wins, but his physique deteriorated and he kept getting rewarded. 

You could say the same for Ronnie - he was not at his peak for every win. 

[Hulkster]

You could say the same for Ronnie - he was not at his peak for every win. 

wrong.

you never saw ronnie getting owned on stage all the time like you did with dorian. even when ronnie wasn't at his peak..

dorian got owned routinely:

[Relentless]

Here's a question we should all ask ourselves:

Who would you rather look like, Kevin Levrone or Dorian Yates? 

[Royal Lion]

Yeah - Dorian was constantly owned on stage which is why most consider him to be either the most or second most dominant Mr. Olympia of all time.

I could just as easily assert that Ronnie was not what the ideal bodybuilder during his reign by posting his worst pics, although I am smart enough to realize there are plenty of great pics of him just as there are of Dorian.

[Royal Lion]

Here's a question we should all ask ourselves:

Who would you rather look like, Kevin Levrone or Dorian Yates? 

I'd rather have Kevin's physique than that of Dorian or Ronnie.  Would you rather have Kevin's or Ronnie's?

[Hulkster]

Yeah - Dorian was constantly owned on stage which is why most consider him to be either the most or second most dominant Mr. Olympia of all time.

bwahahahaha

you obviously don't read many people's opinions on his post tear 'reign' do you?

 

[Hulkster]

Here's a question we should all ask ourselves:

Who would you rather look like, Kevin Levrone or Dorian Yates? 

the answer should be clear:

[Mr Nobody]

the answer should be clear:

Dorrian Rules all the Mr Olympia's greatest ever

[Royal Lion]

bwahahahaha

you obviously don't read many people's opinions on his post tear 'reign' do you?

 

bwahahahaha.....97 was controversial, but he dominated in his other wins.  

[Earl1972]

Here's a question we should all ask ourselves:

Who would you rather look like, Kevin Levrone or Dorian Yates? 

even those that support dorian have admitted they would rather look like Mr. Levrone

but hey the judging criteria is far more important than who the paying fans would actually want to look like

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[NarcissisticDeity]

no, but having great bodyparts adds an overall appearance that is judged upon.,

great parts don't equate to the best whole and ultimately that is what is judges along with everything else , great parts win great parts awards , how all those parts tie in wins contests , more ignorance on how you don't have a clue on what judges look for

you accuse me of demeaning others based on IQ, yet you call others "ignorant" at every turn,

I never accused you of demeaning others based on IQ you're confusing me with suckmymuscle , please keep track of the ' debate ' and I do call other ignorant and it's not a bad thing , there is nothing wrong with being ignorant on how contests are judged I was ignorant and then I learned , you people are still ignorant even after an explanation

whats the criteria?

Thanks for admitting your ignorance , how you can say who would beat who if you don't even have a clue on how contests are judged is beyond me , if you're going to offer an opinion at the least learn what you're talking about

yes, this is one of the mysteries of bodybuilding

no mystery it was just explained to you , all rounds are physique rounds, judges are instructed not to give a round to someone who just has superior symmetry but lacks muscular bulk , density , dryness and posing , same with the muscularity round , etc and posing rounds ALL of the criteria is assessed at once

and Dorian still shouldnt win

says you which admittedly don't know how contests are judged which shows your opinion is based just on bias and preference

How so?  Ronnie displayed conditioning and SEPARATION no one has matched before or since

Ronnie's conditioning wasn't spectacular on occasions it was 1998/2001 etc his separation was awesome but more to conditioning than just that factor in density * muscle hardness * and dryness and separation for the whole package , I've said before Ronnie may meet part(s) of the criteria better but not ALL of it better than Dorian , Dorian's conditioning is legendary , Ronnie's isn't

balance? do you think Ronnie would have had better "balance" if he had torn his bicep?,

The debate usually revolved around the guys at their best which is considered 1993 Olympia and pre-contest and even 1995 with the torn bicep , and you're showing you're ignorance once again with the balance issue , balance includes leg length in relation to the torso ( Ronnie short torso , long legs ) arm length in relation to torso ( Ronnie has long arms and again a short torso ) then factor in proportion , calves to small for his quads , biceps/triceps to big for his forearms , glutes that can be seen from the front , you don't find these issues with Yates even with a torn bicep

clearly better?  thats a matter of opinion, and many disagree with you

It is a matter of opinion , the judges opinion ! neither Yates or Ronnie are known for dramatic Labrada style posing in the classic sense , however out of the two it's clearly obvious to those who are not ignorant that Dorian is the master of the mandatory poses and Ronnie isn't , I honestly don't think even the most ardent Coleman fans disagree with this , it's common knowledge Ronnie was lacking in this area

who cares about Ronnie in 2001?  That was not anywhere close to his best condition, why would you pick that year of all others?

Whoa Nelly this one flew right over your head lol 2001 Arnold Classic is his best condition , I'll take it you were assuming the Olympia of that year so I'll let this one slide

Again, you seem to think these IDIOTS judging bodybuilding shows get it right.  Do you ever stop and wonder if judges rewarding less-than-worthy physiques might have something to do with this sport not being on ESPN anymore and having deteriorated in general?  The judges argument simply doesn't work.  IFBB judging has been exposed as a travesty time and time again.

Okay the judges are idiots , these idiots awarded Ronnie 8 Sandows and the most pro wins in the history of the sport , they are morons and Ronnie won purely on politics alone and nothing more  see how ridiculous that sounds? either the judging is always right or it's always wrong . you can NOT have it both ways , you can't decry the judges when you disagree and then praise them when you do , either ALL contests are fixed or none of them

Ronnie had some questionable wins and I don't believe for one second the contests were fixed

[NarcissisticDeity]

more mandatories my ass

 

even dorian's best pose gets crushed thanks to detail, seperation and shape, in addition to the 257 pounds of mass:

Dorian is destroying Ronnie in that shot NO CONTEST

Dorian harder & drier , 260 pounds better balance & proportion and posing added in much better lat sweep and you have a clear winner for Yates

[Relentless]

even those that support dorian have admitted they would rather look like Mr. Levrone

but hey the judging criteria is far more important than who the paying fans would actually want to look like

E

It's a great way to ruin what was formerly a great sport, isn't it?

[Relentless]

Dorian is destroying Ronnie in that shot NO CONTEST

Dorian harder & drier , 260 pounds better balance & proportion and posing added in much better lat sweep and you have a clear winner for Yates

Uhhh...no. 

[NarcissisticDeity]

It's a great way to ruin what was formerly a great sport, isn't it?

The awarded Ronnie looking like this but that's okay? more hypocrisy

[LMV]

Uhhh...no. 

you blind nhigga ? that wacked out cracka is smoking ronknee

[NarcissisticDeity]

Uhhh...no. 

Says the guy who admittedly don't know what he's looking for lol 

[Relentless]

great parts don't equate to the best whole and ultimately that is what is judges along with everything else , great parts win great parts awards , how all those parts tie in wins contests , more ignorance on how you don't have a clue on what judges look for

I never accused you of demeaning others based on IQ you're confusing me with suckmymuscle , please keep track of the ' debate ' and I do call other ignorant and it's not a bad thing , there is nothing wrong with being ignorant on how contests are judged I was ignorant and then I learned , you people are still ignorant even after an explanation It's called "disagreeing."  I disagree with what you consider to be a better physique than Ronnie Coleman.

Thanks for admitting your ignorance , how you can say who would beat who if you don't even have a clue on how contests are judged is beyond me , if you're going to offer an opinion at the least learn what you're talking about  This is rambling gibberish.  

no mystery it was just explained to you , all rounds are physique rounds, judges are instructed not to give a round to someone who just has superior symmetry but lacks muscular bulk , density , dryness and posing , same with the muscularity round , etc and posing rounds ALL of the criteria is assessed at once

says you which admittedly don't know how contests are judged which shows your opinion is based just on bias and preference

Ronnie's conditioning wasn't spectacular on occasions it was 1998/2001 etc his separation was awesome but more to conditioning than just that factor in density * muscle hardness * and dryness and separation for the whole package , I've said before Ronnie may meet part(s) of the criteria better but not ALL of it better than Dorian , Dorian's conditioning is legendary , Ronnie's isn't Plenty of people out there vehemently disagree with this statement.

The debate usually revolved around the guys at their best which is considered 1993 Olympia and pre-contest and even 1995 with the torn bicep , and you're showing you're ignorance once again with the balance issue , balance includes leg length in relation to the torso ( Ronnie short torso , long legs ) arm length in relation to torso ( Ronnie has long arms and again a short torso ) then factor in proportion , calves to small for his quads , biceps/triceps to big for his forearms , glutes that can be seen from the front , you don't find these issues with Yates even with a torn bicep Why don't you get the IFBB guidelines and post them and respond to each one of how Dorian was better than Ronnie?  

It is a matter of opinion , the judges opinion ! neither Yates or Ronnie are known for dramatic Labrada style posing in the classic sense , however out of the two it's clearly obvious to those who are not ignorant that Dorian is the master of the mandatory poses and Ronnie isn't , I honestly don't think even the most ardent Coleman fans disagree with this , it's common knowledge Ronnie was lacking in this area I disagree with you again.  Ronnie would never have won or perceived as the GOAT if he didn't know how to hit poses correctly.

Whoa Nelly this one flew right over your head lol 2001 Arnold Classic is his best condition , I'll take it you were assuming the Olympia of that year so I'll let this one slide  Again, a matter of opinion.  Some people consider the 2001 Arnold to be his best condition, others do not.  If you haven't noticed, I have a hard time following your train of thought, ND

Okay the judges are idiots , these idiots awarded Ronnie 8 Sandows and the most pro wins in the history of the sport , they are morons and Ronnie won purely on politics alone and nothing more  see how ridiculous that sounds? either the judging is always right or it's always wrong . you can NOT have it both ways , you can't decry the judges when you disagree and then praise them when you do , either ALL contests are fixed or none of them My belief is that shades of gray rule the day.  Hardly anything in life is clear-cut...and just when you think it is...BOOM...there goes your reality.  Judges can get it right and they can get it wrong.  This sport is pure subjectivity, hence our disagreement.

Ronnie had some questionable wins and I don't believe for one second the contests were fixed They probably weren't...the judges make plenty of mistakes.

[Relentless]

The awarded Ronnie looking like this but that's okay? more hypocrisy

I agree with you, that look SHOULD NOT be rewarded.  However, Dorian set the precedent for the years that followed.  It's not Dorian fault, btw...its the judges who rewarded bellies over V-Taper.

[Relentless]

Says the guy who admittedly don't know what he's looking for lol 

Comparing individual pics is pointless, ND.  That comparison doesn't prove anything one way or another.

[NarcissisticDeity]

bwahahahaha

you obviously don't read many people's opinions on his post tear 'reign' do you?

 

And neither do you  and this was Ronnie at his best  and worse

Shawn Ray 1998 Olympia

Ronnie Coleman was the most improved bodybuilder , and they should have an award for that but it SHOULDN'T be the overall title. Ronnie Coleman won the Mr Olympia for making the most improvement.

Ronnie does NOT have the complete physique. He has a certain degree of shape and detail but , let's be honest , he has a lot of weaknesses : calves , hamstrings , midsection. He has flaws on his physique that you just can't find on my physique or Flex Wheeler's physique.

Did they even count the posing routine? Ronnie Coleman is never going to be remembered for a posing routine.


Flex Wheeler 1998 Olympia

It's true I didn't quite duplicate my condition at the Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic. if I'd been able to do that , I would have won EASILY !!


Coleman's 1998 Olympia victory] was not a definitive win. In 99, Big Ron was lucky to defeat Flex Wheeler again. Levrone thought he'd beaten him twice, in 2000 and 2002. At the 2002 show, Levrone had won both of the evening rounds (a year on, at the Olympia press conference before the 2003 show, Coleman would chide Levrone, asking him, 'When was the last time you beat me?' Levrone replied, 'Last year.'). In 2001, Jay Cutler beat Ronnie in both the first two rounds and lost by four points.
   Coleman had not replicated the dominance of Haney and Yates. He always seemed slightly vulnerable, protected as much by protocol as his physique






Kevin Levrone

The plain truth is that I beat Ronnie last year [2000] and Jay Cutler beat Ronnie this year. You should not win the Mr. Olympia if your stomach is hanging out -- period. Last year, I patted Ronnie's stomach during the posedown to draw attention to the fact that he was bloated. That tactic obviously didn't work, and Ronnie beat me in the posedown to successfully defend his title for a third straight Mr. O triumph.


So now the show rolls around and Jay Cutler beats Ronnie in both prejudging rounds: symmetry and muscularity. Ronnie was spilling over with too much water during the muscularity round, and Cutler took it to him in many of the poses that Coleman usually dominates.

How can Cutler lose this contest if he wins in both symmetry and muscularity? How can Ronnie retain his title if his midsection is bloated and distended? Why should the fans get behind a champion who can't present an aesthetic image of what bodybuilding is supposed to be all about?

I'm talking about classical proportions, perfect symmetry and ideal conditioning. Based on that ideal, I should have won the Sandow in 2000, and Cutler should have taken it in 2001.

The fans deserve better than what they are getting. I'm already working hard to ensure that, in 2002, a true peoples' champ can strip the title away from Ronnie Coleman.

Ronnie according to his contemporaries could have lost in 1998 , Flex at the Olympia 1999 turned his back on Ronnie and proclaimed he was number 1 , Levrone flat out said he beat Ronnie in 2000/2002 , Jay Cutler in 2001 , Jay said he was beating Ronnie in 04 in many of Ronnie strongest poses

Hulkster = owned 

[NarcissisticDeity]

Comparing individual pics is pointless, ND.  That comparison doesn't prove anything one way or another.

This is where I agree with you , but that was a Hulkster-type ' comparison ' which proves my point that these slanted comparisons prove nothing

[Relentless]

And neither do you  and this was Ronnie at his best  and worse

Shawn Ray 1998 Olympia

Ronnie Coleman was the most improved bodybuilder , and they should have an award for that but it SHOULDN'T be the overall title. Ronnie Coleman won the Mr Olympia for making the most improvement.

Ronnie does NOT have the complete physique. He has a certain degree of shape and detail but , let's be honest , he has a lot of weaknesses : calves , hamstrings , midsection. He has flaws on his physique that you just can't find on my physique or Flex Wheeler's physique.

Did they even count the posing routine? Ronnie Coleman is never going to be remembered for a posing routine.


Flex Wheeler 1998 Olympia

It's true I didn't quite duplicate my condition at the Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic. if I'd been able to do that , I would have won EASILY !!


Coleman's 1998 Olympia victory] was not a definitive win. In 99, Big Ron was lucky to defeat Flex Wheeler again. Levrone thought he'd beaten him twice, in 2000 and 2002. At the 2002 show, Levrone had won both of the evening rounds (a year on, at the Olympia press conference before the 2003 show, Coleman would chide Levrone, asking him, 'When was the last time you beat me?' Levrone replied, 'Last year.'). In 2001, Jay Cutler beat Ronnie in both the first two rounds and lost by four points.
   Coleman had not replicated the dominance of Haney and Yates. He always seemed slightly vulnerable, protected as much by protocol as his physique






Kevin Levrone

The plain truth is that I beat Ronnie last year [2000] and Jay Cutler beat Ronnie this year. You should not win the Mr. Olympia if your stomach is hanging out -- period. Last year, I patted Ronnie's stomach during the posedown to draw attention to the fact that he was bloated. That tactic obviously didn't work, and Ronnie beat me in the posedown to successfully defend his title for a third straight Mr. O triumph.


So now the show rolls around and Jay Cutler beats Ronnie in both prejudging rounds: symmetry and muscularity. Ronnie was spilling over with too much water during the muscularity round, and Cutler took it to him in many of the poses that Coleman usually dominates.

How can Cutler lose this contest if he wins in both symmetry and muscularity? How can Ronnie retain his title if his midsection is bloated and distended? Why should the fans get behind a champion who can't present an aesthetic image of what bodybuilding is supposed to be all about?

I'm talking about classical proportions, perfect symmetry and ideal conditioning. Based on that ideal, I should have won the Sandow in 2000, and Cutler should have taken it in 2001.

The fans deserve better than what they are getting. I'm already working hard to ensure that, in 2002, a true peoples' champ can strip the title away from Ronnie Coleman.

Ronnie according to his contemporaries could have lost in 1998 , Flex at the Olympia 1999 turned his back on Ronnie and proclaimed he was number 1 , Levrone flat out said he beat Ronnie in 2000/2002 , Jay Cutler in 2001 , Jay said he was beating Ronnie in 04 in many of Ronnie strongest poses

Hulkster = owned 

Wow..that was a real OWNING, ND.  *yawn*

This is all a matter of opinion, and I believe the MAJORITY of bodybuilding fans consider Ronnie > Dorian.  There's something to be said for that.