Time For Tough Choices: California

[Bindare_Dundat]

From the LA Times:

Reporting from Sacramento -- With deficit forecasts growing darker by the day, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger is considering a plan to slash California's safety net for the poor by eliminating the state's main welfare program, health insurance for low-income families and cash grants to college students.

Of course California is known for having "sanctuary cities", $200,000 pensions for firefighters and in general providing largess to everyone - even those who aren't citizens.

This is a problem, of course, but it didn't bother all the bleeding hearts so long as all the high-flying people out there were flipping houses and running up their credit cards.

Now, of course, the credit card is dead and the home is being foreclosed on, much like the rest of the nation as a whole - but of course the Federal Government can run deficits so long as it can con China - California can't.

Its time to set an example here folks:

No more "freebies" for illegals.  Period.  No free medical care, no free schools, not even jailing people - you get caught here illegally you get sent home.  Period, end of discussion, full-stop.  Start right now and enforce the damn law; a HUGE percentage of California's prison population are in fact illegal aliens.  We pay twice - first for the crime, then again to jail them.  Stop being stupid.

Stop paying civil service jobs (firefighters, teachers, etc) $100,000+, more than twice the per-capita income.
Fix the pension system so it can't be gamed and double-dipped to the tune of $200,000+ for that same firefighter when they retire.

Stop subsidizing people who want to have 8 embryos IVF'd into their uterus when they can't personally cover the cost of BIRTHING those eight new mouths, never mind attempting to raise them.

If you're "poor" and need help, make receiving that help conditioned on working.  If nothing else I bet there's a bunch of trash alongside roads that needs to be picked up.  If you're able-bodied, no help without working in exchange - for the general benefit of society.  Period.

What's happening here is entirely predictable and in fact has been predicted.  You can't spend more than you make for very long; eventually your credit card comes back "declined."

California is first in this regard but won't be the last.

Wake up America.

And in the meantime (and as a hedge if the government tries to be even more stupid) go buy a gun and some ammo.  When the "entitlement" checks stop going to those who think they have a right to pop out eight kids and bill the state for the medical, I'll make book on riots and other forms of general civil nastiness.

[Hugo Chavez]

And in the meantime (and as a hedge if the government tries to be even more stupid) go buy a gun and some ammo.  When the "entitlement" checks stop going to those who think they have a right to pop out eight kids and bill the state for the medical, I'll make book on riots and other forms of general civil nastiness.

wow, that sounded just like Rush

[Bindare_Dundat]

wow, that sounded just like Rush

lol

it's is from The Market Ticker.

[24KT]

It's also an introduction to a new form of slavery.

[Bindare_Dundat]

It's also an introduction to a new form of slavery.

What is, specifically?

[24KT]

What is, specifically?

Work for welfare

[Bindare_Dundat]

Work for welfare

 What is worng with asking people of sound mind and able body to do some type of work for government assistance?

[24KT]

What is worng with asking people of sound mind and able body to do some type of work for government assistance?

Because the assistance will never be a fair exchange for the work provided. If it was, it would be called a job.
This newly created workforce category... the "assisted worker" program will expand, with private industry bidding on worker contracts... People will be stuck in a vicious catch-22 unable to leave, and a new class of indentured and perpetual servitude will have begun. They'll sell it to the stupid & spiteful, as a way of combatting the illegal aliens. "Instead of them coming to OUR country to steal our jobs, ...we'll have OUR people taking those jobs back!" Of course people will turn a blind eye when they realize they have to continue being paid 50 cents a day... no one wants the cost of their produce to raise, ...so people will be forced to pick produce, pick up litter along highways, ...work in Walmart or any other corporate behemoth who buys or rents the worker from the government, 12 - 14 hrs a day on an endless treadmill unable to progress forward. Pretty soon, the middle class is wiped out because no company is going to want to hire an employee and pay them a decent wage, when they can get a dirt-cheap 'assisted worker'. They will have solved the challenge of outsourcing, ...through assisted workers. By the time people figure it out, ...they're checking out the new nifty assisted worker number that's just been tattooed to their arms or foreheads. (Much easier to track the slave assisted worker that way... ya know, ...if any of them escapes  gets lost while out in the fields picking cotton corn for all that bio-diesel.) 

[Soul Crusher]

Work for welfare

Fine, lets eliminate welfare anyway for all but the most physically incapable.  . 

[Soul Crusher]

Because the assistance will never be a fair exchange for the work provided. If it was, it would be called a job.
This newly created workforce category... the "assisted worker" program will expand, with private industry bidding on worker contracts... People will be stuck in a vicious catch-22 unable to leave, and a new class of indentured and perpetual servitude will have begun. They'll sell it to the stupid & spiteful, as a way of combatting the illegal aliens. "Instead of them coming to OUR country to steal our jobs, ...we'll have OUR people taking those jobs back!" Of course people will turn a blind eye when they realize they have to continue being paid 50 cents a day... no one wants the cost of their produce to raise, ...so people will be forced to pick produce, pick up litter along highways, ...work in Walmart or any other corporate behemoth who buys or rents the worker from the government, 12 - 14 hrs a day on an endless treadmill unable to progress forward. Pretty soon, the middle class is wiped out because no company is going to want to hire an employee and pay them a decent wage, when they can get a dirt-cheap 'assisted worker'. They will have solved the challenge of outsourcing, ...through assisted workers. By the time people figure it out, ...they're checking out the new nifty assisted worker number that's just been tattooed to their arms or foreheads. (Much easier to track the slave assisted worker that way... ya know, ...if any of them escapes  gets lost while out in the fields picking cotton corn for all that bio-diesel.) 

Wwwaaahh, these lazy slobs could care less.  They laugh at the taxpayer. 

screw em.  Let them work the fields or join the military.   

[Cap]

It's also an introduction to a new form of slavery.

Not quite.  Look at it as a form of education...learning how to actually work for money.  ALL aid should be cut off to illegals. Cities and counties should send the illegal criminals to federal jurisdiction immediately to be deported and parents should have to show birth certificates and SS cards to enroll kids in school for the first time in school district, otherwise no school. 

[Deicide]

Not quite.  Look at it as a form of education...learning how to actually work for money.  ALL aid should be cut off to illegals. Cities and counties should send the illegal criminals to federal jurisdiction immediately to be deported and parents should have to show birth certificates and SS cards to enroll kids in school for the first time in school district, otherwise no school. 

Agreed.

You=huge aryan bastard with muscles +genetics + good idea here

[Cap]

Agreed.

You=huge aryan bastard with muscles +genetics + good idea here

 

Overspending on education and illegals has put the state in the hole big time.  Illegals alone cost the state 8 or so billion dollars.  Arizona hospitals would lose millions a week in emergency room care because of illegals.  It has to stop.

[Hereford]

It's also an introduction to a new form of slavery.

Yes, it is inhumane to expect a welfare leech to actually work for ANYTHING.

All they would have to do to not be a 'slave' is go get a job like the rest of us.

[Straw Man]

I say we get rid of all the defined benefit pensions for public workers (including police and firefighters).  It's archaic to pay someone 80-95% of their salary for the rest of their life.    They could also do pay cuts for public workers.  We've got cops and fire-fighters make 120k to 150k+ here in the bay area.  That's f'ng crazy.

 

[Bindare_Dundat]

Because the assistance will never be a fair exchange for the work provided. If it was, it would be called a job.

Hey , welcome to the real world. 80%+ of the work force will never get a fair exchange for the work provided. 

[24KT]

Not quite.  Look at it as a form of education...learning how to actually work for money.  ALL aid should be cut off to illegals. Cities and counties should send the illegal criminals to federal jurisdiction immediately to be deported and parents should have to show birth certificates and SS cards to enroll kids in school for the first time in school district, otherwise no school. 

Except you're framing this as an illegal alien issue. The vast majority of welfare recipients are legal citizens.

[24KT]

Hey , welcome to the real world. 80%+ of the work force will never get a fair exchange for the work provided. 

That's why I find emploment so disgustingly unrewarding in comparison to network marketing. 

The difference between standard employee / employer relations and work for welfare, is that at least in the former, one often has the ability to improve their lot whereas in a work for welfare arrangement, the individual will be perpetually stuck in the system. I don't disagree with you though. Employers buy you wholesale and sell you retail. In a work for welfare situation, the government sells you at cost, and corporate profits soar. 

[Cap]

Except you're framing this as an illegal alien issue. The vast majority of welfare recipients are legal citizens.

They collect tons on medical care and they do receive federal aid for themselves and their kids.  Many of the legal residents NEVER try to work and just collect welfare, and then their kids collect it, and then their kids collect it, etc.  Teach people the value of work and start cutting off aid, you will see a change...and if they don't want to work, but are able, then you cut them off.  This "slave" argument is nothing more than excuse to justify people not working to EARN their money. 

[24KT]

They collect tons on medical care and they do receive federal aid for themselves and their kids.  Many of the legal residents NEVER try to work and just collect welfare, and then their kids collect it, and then their kids collect it, etc.  Teach people the value of work and start cutting off aid, you will see a change...and if they don't want to work, but are able, then you cut them off.  This "slave" argument is nothing more than excuse to justify people not working to EARN their money. 

Incentives to seek employment is far better than work for welfare.

[Soul Crusher]

Incentives to seek employment is far better than work for welfare.

There is no better incentive to find work than an empty stomach and cardboard box to sleep in.

[24KT]

There is no better incentive to find work than an empty stomach and cardboard box to sleep in.

Oh, ...I don't know about that.    It's certainly an incentive to seek cash... right away cash,
...but I don't know about legitimate work. Besides, ...guys like you would freak over panhandlers wouldn't you?

[Soul Crusher]

Oh, ...I don't know about that.    It's certainly an incentive to seek cash... right away cash,
...but I don't know about legitimate work. Besides, ...guys like you would freak over panhandlers wouldn't you?

I live in NYC, we invented panhandlers. 

Seriously though, not everyone can be a chief, we need indians too. 

Your typical welfare case is not going to be a driven networker selling services goods and produicts.  Maybe eventually.  but they need to start somewhere. 

cleaning the trash along the road, helping seniors, the dog pound, whatever, seems to me like a good start.   

[24KT]

I live in NYC, we invented panhandlers. 

Seriously though, not everyone can be a chief, we need indians too.  

Your typical welfare case is not going to be a driven networker selling services goods and produicts.  Maybe eventually.  but they need to start somewhere. 

cleaning the trash along the road, helping seniors, the dog pound, whatever, seems to me like a good start.    

1. Not the best analogy. Are you forgetting what the US government did to the Indians? 

2. Maybe you should spend 12 hours a day volunteering to show them how it's done... how good they'll have it. 

[IFBBwannaB]

That's why I find emploment so disgustingly unrewarding in comparison to network marketing. 
The difference between standard employee / employer relations and work for welfare, is that at least in the former, one often has the ability to improve their lot whereas in a work for welfare arrangement, the individual will be perpetually stuck in the system. I don't disagree with you though. Employers buy you wholesale and sell you retail. In a work for welfare situation, the government sells you at cost, and corporate profits soar. 

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