Author Topic: Calling on the knowlege of the get big boards!!! (Read 2665 times)

Box · « **on:** May 27, 2009, 12:49:45 AM »

New to the game...been semi lurking for a while. Here's my deal:

wanna be contest ready in 12 months and want to run something decent to put on lbm.

I've only run ds/ph previously (havoc). Had some gyno issues, puffy nipps during my second run, cut it short and went to pct. Want some advice on what how much to run:

510 170, with diet and training in check. .. looking to bust throught a plateu. Let me know what you think. questions welcome!

Thanks for your input!

Emmortal · « **Reply #1 on:** May 27, 2009, 12:55:00 AM »

Define "contest ready"

efanhowz · « **Reply #2 on:** May 27, 2009, 01:21:39 AM »

you are going to get a lot of these responses for your first cycle:

run 500mg/week test enanthate or cypionate for 12-16 weeks
and maybe kickstart it with dbol for 4-6 weeks at 30-50 mg

but at 5'10 and 170lbs and hopes of placing well in a contest, you have a big year ahead of you. if you seriously want to do a contest, i would bulk for 3 months, take 3 off, then bulk for 3 and cut for the 3 leading up to the show. thats 12 months right there. or you could just completely disregard your health and get juiced to the gills for the whole year continually upping the dose.....thats what any true getbig'er would do

abc123 · « **Reply #3 on:** May 27, 2009, 02:15:13 AM »

Quote from: efanhowz on May 27, 2009, 01:21:39 AM

or you could just completely disregard your health and get juiced to the gills for the whole year continually upping the dose.....thats what any true getbig'er would do

What are you saying? What's wrong with that? I do that and I don't find anything wrong with it

Luv2Hurt · « **Reply #4 on:** May 27, 2009, 04:13:43 AM »

If you have not been training for a few years at an obsessive level then you can still make gains. First off you don't eat enough, those stats show a lack of calories. Eat and don't worry about eating "clean" all the time. Watch the sugars but everything else is game.

To start looking like a BB you will need to gain about 50lbs. This can not be done with juice alone and will take more than a year. If you are serious and have trained, ate and rested hard enough add a half gram of test of a week. I would do year long cycles if I was you. Then immerse yourself in a BB lifestyle, you will need to be religious with your eating and training for a long while.

Box · « **Reply #5 on:** May 27, 2009, 08:33:44 AM »

Thanks for the input so far....appreciated.

By contest ready I only mean I'd like to compete. I'd like a new motivation/goal to shoot for.

To the others you're definately right. I do my research and live the lifestyle but I have work to do for sure. I'm slowly gaining good weight but my motivation has slipped recently. Im training two a days right now so motivation is key.

I'd like to keep the conversation going here so more input is good.

dan18 · « **Reply #6 on:** May 27, 2009, 10:00:02 AM »

Quote from: Box on May 27, 2009, 08:33:44 AM

Thanks for the input so far....appreciated.

By contest ready I only mean I'd like to compete. I'd like a new motivation/goal to shoot for.

To the others you're definately right. I do my research and live the lifestyle but I have work to do for sure. I'm slowly gaining good weight but my motivation has slipped recently. Im training two a days right now so motivation is key.

I'd like to keep the conversation going here so more input is good.

TRANSLATION - IM UNDERCOVER

tbombz · « **Reply #7 on:** May 27, 2009, 10:12:21 AM »

as far as the diet goes i say eat all the sugary candy you want, tons of it, in between your normal meals, just make sure itf fat free/low fat sweet&sour candy... carbs are key to gaining muscle... fat with carbs with just make you fat, so focus on getting huge amount of carbs amnd getting as close to zero fat as possible. (except fat from beeef chicken ect ect)

dan18 · « **Reply #8 on:** May 27, 2009, 10:24:59 AM »

Quote from: tbombz on May 27, 2009, 10:12:21 AM

as far as the diet goes i say eat all the sugary candy you want, tons of it, in between your normal meals, just make sure itf fat free/low fat sweet&sour candy... carbs are key to gaining muscle... fat with carbs with just make you fat, so focus on getting huge amount of carbs amnd getting as close to zero fat as possible. (except fat from beeef chicken ect ect)

yes and every day drink at least 2 gallons of peanut oil make sure you heat it in a pot 1st

efanhowz · « **Reply #9 on:** May 27, 2009, 10:25:16 AM »

naturals need fat for test production. just keep it to healthy fats. and nattys also shouldnt be training as much because they need more recovery time. 5x per week max, heavy weights, moderate volume, good sleep, no overkill. also if you want to live like a BB you MUST start wearing a fanny pack at all times. this is not optional

elite_lifter · « **Reply #10 on:** May 27, 2009, 10:58:17 AM »

Quote from: tbombz on May 27, 2009, 10:12:21 AM

as far as the diet goes i say eat all the sugary candy you want, tons of it, in between your normal meals, just make sure itf fat free/low fat sweet&sour candy... carbs are key to gaining muscle... fat with carbs with just make you fat, so focus on getting huge amount of carbs amnd getting as close to zero fat as possible. (except fat from beeef chicken ect ect)

so are you saying downing a tbps of EVOO with my eggs, banana, english muffin, will make me fat?

tbombz · « **Reply #11 on:** May 27, 2009, 12:08:48 PM »

Quote from: elite_lifter on May 27, 2009, 10:58:17 AM

so are you saying downing a tbps of EVOO with my eggs, banana, english muffin, will make me fat?

no, it depends on your base metabolic rate, total carb intake, total fat intake....and a million other variables.. but when a person is eating as much carbs as possible (trying to gain as much mass as possible) fat intake is just going to make the person fat... fat is necessary for hormone production and for building cell membranes.... however a steroid user only needs avery minimal amount of fat because of exogenous hormones... and the amount of fat necessary for building cell membrane is included in any source of meat...

a fancy way of saying this would be = in the presence of insulin adicopites take up free fatty acids extremely easily.

high carb= no fat

Luv2Hurt · « **Reply #12 on:** May 27, 2009, 01:14:18 PM »

Quote from: tbombz on May 27, 2009, 12:08:48 PM

no, it depends on your base metabolic rate, total carb intake, total fat intake....and a million other variables.. but when a person is eating as much carbs as possible (trying to gain as much mass as possible) fat intake is just going to make the person fat... fat is necessary for hormone production and for building cell membranes.... however a steroid user only needs avery minimal amount of fat because of exogenous hormones... and the amount of fat necessary for building cell membrane is included in any source of meat...

a fancy way of saying this would be = in the presence of insulin adicopites take up free fatty acids extremely easily.

high carb= no fat

Define mass? Fat is fat, excess carbs will make you fat as hell. Huge insulin spikes cause fat storage and roller coaster metabolic rates and blood sugar levels. Added mass does not always equate to added muscle. But yeah if you wanna look like every other overweight, soft, thick skinned lifter in most gyms eat candy and all the carbs you can, please.

This is a recipe to get fat, if thats not your goal then don't do it. "as much mass as possible"

Box · « **Reply #13 on:** May 28, 2009, 12:08:06 AM »

Thanks again for the replies....I'd like to steer the convo in a diff. direction though.

I've worked on my diet a lot actually as well as the my training and cardio... I've found something that works well for me. 510 170 lean is a good look, its not quite a bodybuilder look but its good.

I'm not interested in eating myself into poor shape, I'm trying to train toward fitness goals as well: I'm doing a triathalon type comp this summer as well.

My new questions are what kind of cycle will put on mass while maintaining a lean physique and allow me to continue me cardio regimine. Im looking also for something that will allow me to eat more and ensure its going toward building more lean muscle. I agree with LUv2Hurt and his assesment of thick skinned soft lifters and want avoid that (won't let it happen really).

Help appreciated!

Box · « **Reply #14 on:** May 28, 2009, 12:09:30 AM »

As a side note: i put the info about previous cycles as I've been given advice to lay off everything for a while to let my natty test to restabilize...Thoughs on this?

Luolamies · « **Reply #15 on:** May 31, 2009, 12:18:50 PM »

First of all if you are going to do a triathlon you need to eat exactly the opposite of an off season bodybuilder. You can't be shredded and gain insane amounts of mass at the same time, pick one or the other. I've seen it happen so many times, skinny teens come up to me and ask what does it take to get big and when i tell them, they are allways shocked and when i see them a year later they look exactly the same. Skinny, week and sad...

LOTS OF RED MEAT, CHICKEN, FISH, EGGS, DAIRY, RICE, POTATOES.

HEAVY FREE WEIGHTS AND COMPOUND MOVEMENTS ARE THE KEY.

shrek · « **Reply #16 on:** May 31, 2009, 05:14:50 PM »

Quote from: Luolamies on May 31, 2009, 12:18:50 PM

First of all if you are going to do a triathlon you need to eat exactly the opposite of an off season bodybuilder. You can't be shredded and gain insane amounts of mass at the same time, pick one or the other. I've seen it happen so many times, skinny teens come up to me and ask what does it take to get big and when i tell them, they are allways shocked and when i see them a year later they look exactly the same. Skinny, week and sad...

LOTS OF RED MEAT, CHICKEN, FISH, EGGS, DAIRY, RICE, POTATOES.

HEAVY FREE WEIGHTS AND COMPOUND MOVEMENTS ARE THE KEY.

gotta eat big/lift big to get big even on the strongest steroids

ShreddedKing · « **Reply #17 on:** May 31, 2009, 06:27:35 PM »

Quote from: tbombz on May 27, 2009, 10:12:21 AM

as far as the diet goes i say eat all the sugary candy you want, tons of it, in between your normal meals, just make sure itf fat free/low fat sweet&sour candy... carbs are key to gaining muscle... fat with carbs with just make you fat, so focus on getting huge amount of carbs amnd getting as close to zero fat as possible. (except fat from beeef chicken ect ect)

LOL, I hope no one listens to this crap advice.

shrek · « **Reply #18 on:** May 31, 2009, 06:49:31 PM »

Quote from: ShreddedKing on May 31, 2009, 06:27:35 PM

LOL, I hope no one listens to this crap advice.

Tbombz always preaches about carbs and fat but i know that its bullshit unless you have a metabolism of a crack head....... you shouldn't use more than a 1-1-.5 ratio with carbs protein fat and that is on a bulking cycle where you allready accepted the fact that you are going to gain some fat

davinci · « **Reply #19 on:** May 31, 2009, 10:36:37 PM »

Quote from: Box on May 27, 2009, 12:49:45 AM

New to the game...Had some gyno issues, puffy nipps during my second run, cut it short and went to pct. Want some advice on what how much to run:

Ok right here, i hope you understand on cycle you still might get gyno issues, you need to brush up on your AI'S. have that shit ready while you are on cycle that way you can deal with it cause cuttin it short when pinnin is not really needed. stay on and hit it with either nolva or letro, if your prone to gyno and you might b since you had problems off epistane (havoc) then i suggest taking armidex eod

do some more research and have fun man, when i started back in day i ran 1-ad it was great but i had no clue what i was doing. after lurkin here for a year i jumped in headfirst but its been the best years of my life. just b safe and smart

Box · « **Reply #20 on:** June 01, 2009, 11:26:01 PM »

davinci...thanks for the advice...taken

I'll have both nolva and letro definately...but I do need some brushing up. Arimadex would be good EOD you say, but what if gyno flairs up anyway. I'm still dealing with the shit as i have prolactin issues still.

shrek...i feel like if i concentrate on weights and eat up i can overcome the triathalon training. keep in mind im only training to run...not all three. Also, after reading some stuff tbombz has posted on the nutrition section here and take his advice with a grain of salt. I can't eat that shit and keep lean i know that...Plus i like eating clean

davinci · « **Reply #21 on:** June 02, 2009, 06:23:26 PM »

no problem man, since your still dealing with gyno and prolactin i suggest you search up on a letro protocol to help TRY to shrink it, depends on how bad it is, most guys say your stuck with it if its really bad. others have had good success, whats even crazier is i have read that havoc is supposed to help gyno not make it worse was that all you where on? maybe they changed the formula but anyways a good letro protocol followed up by some nolva after might help that gyno out. just search the threads and the internet about dosages and what different people had success with it. I recently had a case of the puffy nipps and some guys came to my rescue, im tryin the letro right now and have nolva to follow it up. ill let you know how it goes bro

for me im doing
letro 2.5mg a day for one week
half dose after that, bear in my mind i am still on cycle, im waitin for the puffyness to subside, then ill decide to run eod with letro or less,

Box · « **Reply #22 on:** June 03, 2009, 01:31:10 AM »

Davinci...Yeah i rocked through a bottle of letro, never quite went up to 2.5 but close. Its weird cus i havent had any hard tissue so i slowly came off and the prolactin stayed. ive read a lot about how without hard tissue its not gyno but also read otherwise.

yeah for sure let me know how your shit goes, im curious. havoc often HELPs too i know which is also strange. I remember going to the doc for gyno as a teen since and chalked it up to genetics etc. what are you running right now? I'm thinking a cycle of test e with proper AI/support along the way what do you think??

davinci · « **Reply #23 on:** June 03, 2009, 05:53:58 PM »

hmmm, not sure, might b just adipose tissue of fat or water retention. are you pretty lean?

tbombz · « **Reply #24 on:** June 03, 2009, 05:58:03 PM »

Quote from: Luv2Hurt on May 27, 2009, 01:14:18 PM

Define mass? Fat is fat, excess carbs will make you fat as hell. Huge insulin spikes cause fat storage and roller coaster metabolic rates and blood sugar levels. Added mass does not always equate to added muscle. But yeah if you wanna look like every other overweight, soft, thick skinned lifter in most gyms eat candy and all the carbs you can, please.

This is a recipe to get fat, if thats not your goal then don't do it. "as much mass as possible"

insulin spikes cause fat storegae - true, but only if you have eaten fat. wiuthout fat, its very hard to get fat by eating carbs. insulin does not cause a roller coaster metabolic rate , dont know where you got that, if anything high carbs boosts metabolis rate, as you thyroid bases its production mainly off of glucose intake. blood sugar levels, yes and no... as long as one is eating plenty of protein, as all bodybuilders hsould, then blood sugar will remain very stable.