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'If We Now Kill Schoolgirls, You Shouldn't Be Surprised'

By Matthias Gebauer and Shoib Najafizada in Kunduz, Afghanistan

Responding to threats from the Taliban, at least 10 girls' schools have shut down near Kunduz in northern Afghanistan. Visiting the schools is a dangerous proposition -- a trip leading directly into the heart of Islamist territory.

When the deputy director of Aqtash High School talks of the government, he isn't referring to Hamid Karzai's central government in Kabul. Nor does he refer to the provincial administration in Kunduz. "The Taliban are our government," Bashir says. "They have taken over our region, their commanders give the orders here."

Bashir is standing in a dusty classroom on the ground floor of his modern school, roughly half an hour from Kunduz by car. As recently as just one month ago, he says, some 400 girls were still coming to the school in three daily shifts to learn reading, writing and arithmetic. Figures and formula are still scrawled across the blackboard.

But now, the girls' classrooms have been left to deteriorate. The desks and chairs are still laid out in neat rows, but a film of dust has collected, and Bashir stands helplessly in the middle of the room. "Parents in Aqtash are afraid to send their girls to school anymore, after the death threats," he explains. The school director speaks quietly and carefully. He too is afraid, and several of his teachers double as informants for the Taliban. The bearded fighters, he says, would certainly not like it if they knew a reporter was at the school in Aqtash. "You should leave quickly if you want to get out of Aqtash alive," he whispers.

'Apprehended and Killed'

Bashir's warning is hardly an exaggeration. Not 30 minutes after our arrival in Aqtash, located 15 kilometers northeast of Kunduz just off the main north-south arterial, a group of a dozen Taliban fighters, armed with AK-47s, gathers in front of the blue arch at the entrance to the school. "What do you want here?" one of the fighters calls. "This is our region, the Islamic Emirate of North Afghanistan."

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The trip to the Aqtash school is a trip into the heart of the empire of the Taliban, which controls large areas around Kunduz. Minutes pass before the fighters clear out of the way, allowing us to leave.

The trip out of Aqtash is hardly any less dangerous and provides a look at the situation not 15 kilometers from the German military camp in Kunduz. There are Taliban checkpoints all over the roads, and they are well armed. The Taliban commander in the region is a man named Khalid Salim. He is young and has a reputation for brutality. Salim is on the most wanted list for the region surrounding Kunduz. "Those who work for the government or for the Western soldiers," says one of his men at a checkpoint, "are immediately apprehended and killed."

The fate of the school in Aqtash, which received a new roof just one year ago, paid for out of German development funds, is hardly unique. At least 10 girls' sections of schools located near Kunduz have been closed down in the last three weeks after receiving threats from the Taliban. Parents simply stopped sending their children to school because of the danger. And the closures haven't just been in the region of Char Dara southwest of Kunduz, a well known Taliban hotspot. Schools in three other districts have likewise ceased operation.

No German Soldiers

It didn't take long for news of the school closures to reach the highest echelons of government in both Kabul and Berlin. Stories about schools buckling to the Taliban are exactly what they hoped to avoid. On the one hand, it shows that the Taliban is increasingly gaining the upper hand right outside the front gates of the German military camp in Kunduz. Neither the German army, the Bundeswehr, nor the local police force are effective against the Islamist extremists. At the most, they can temporarily dislodge the Taliban, but they then move on to terrorize other areas where there are no German soldiers.

Most of all, though, the closures threaten one of the few successes that the Germans have had in Afghanistan. It is an achievement that has been repeatedly trumpeted by those in favor of continued engagement; hardly a German politician has refrained from mentioning how encouraging it is to visit a girls' school in Afghanistan. Now, though, the schools -- just like in the south where recent acid attacks against school girls have hit the headlines -- have become a potent propaganda tool for the Taliban. Western troops, so goes the message, can't do anything to stop the Islamist fighters.

The tactics used by the Taliban are shockingly simple. Dozens of so-called "night letters," which are affixed to the doors of schools in the dead of night, are piled on Muqim Halimi's huge desk. Halimi is the commissioner of education for the Kunduz province and a crowd of men are waiting outside his office, most of them hoping to be able to bribe their way into good grades for their children. But when Halimi hears that a German reporter wants to talk about the closure of the girls' schools, he clears the room so he can talk undisturbed.

After confirming the closures, he reads aloud from the Taliban night letters, as simply formulated as they are explicit. "As of today," he reads from a message from Aqtash, "girls are no longer allowed to attend school." The letter is marked with a logo of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan -- in English, yet another indication of just how well organized the Taliban are in the German area of operation.

'If We Now Kill Schoolgirls...'

Another threat letter depicts a schoolgirl at the gallows. "We have warned you," reads the message. "If we now kill schoolgirls, you shouldn't be surprised."

Halimi is open in his description of the precarious situation the schools find themselves in. "There is no police there and even the army is afraid to go there," he says. "What should I do, as a civilian, against the Taliban?"

Alarmed about the reports, Afghan Interior Minister Hanif Atmar has rebuked the Kunduz police chief over the phone. The school closures, he says, are a "disgrace for Afghanistan," he says, demanding that something be done. But police chief Abdul Racak also doesn't know what to do. Last week he tried to send a police patrol to Aqtash, but they came under fire almost as soon as they turned off the main road. Two police officers were killed in the attack.

The reaction from the German camp in Kunduz is also a mixture of dismay and helplessness. The security situation is so poor at the moment that neither the military nor their civilian assistants can visit Aqtash themselves. Realistically, though, there isn't much they can do to combat the threats of the Taliban. There are some 650 schools in the region surrounding Kunduz and the German theater of operation is almost the size of the German state of Hesse or the US state of Massachusetts. With a German contingent of just 667 soldiers, security simply cannot be guaranteed.

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Reports about the closures of the girls' schools aren't the only indications that the Kunduz region is at risk. The German military has noted that the Taliban threats began at the exact same time as attacks against German soldiers began to increase in both number and sophistication. Since the end of April, 19 patrols have come under attack, with one soldier losing his life in an April 29 attack. So far in May there have been four well organized assaults with soldiers wary that the next one could come at any time. Nobody believes that the correlation between the school threats and the attacks is a coincidence.

The reaction to the threats has become almost routine in recent months. The Afghans, so goes the formula, have to use their army to establish security in threatened areas like Aqtash. The Germans have held talks with their Afghan partners in the hopes that they will launch an offensive in Aqtash. German troops will support the operation, but Afghan troops should be the ones at the front.

But it would surprise no one were further girls' schools to shut their doors by the time such an operation is launched.

Still, the news isn't all bad. At the girls' school in Qosh Tappeh, likewise near Kunduz, the school director, a veteran of the mujahedeen, took things into his own hands. When the Taliban showed up to his school for the second time to present their threats, he found a uniquely Afghan solution to the problem. He told his visitors that, when it comes to fighting to the death, he is much more experienced than they. Should they like to find out for sure, he offered, he would be happy to accommodate them.

His threat seemed to have worked. The girls in Qosh Tappeh continue to attend school.

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Young, Muslim schoolgirls being killed = justified by the Koran.

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Re: Taliban: "Don't be surprised if we start killing schoolgirls"
« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2009, 12:41:08 PM »
Religion of peace

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And tolerance...how can you forget that?  ;D

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Re: Taliban: "Don't be surprised if we start killing schoolgirls"
« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2009, 12:52:52 PM »
How dare young girls try to get an education! Don't they know they're not supposed to leave the house and stay covered 24/7? Silly women and their dreams!

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« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2009, 01:14:39 PM »
How dare young girls try to get an education! Don't they know they're not supposed to leave the house and stay covered 24/7? Silly women and their dreams!

education and advancement is the enemy of the muslim. 

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« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2009, 01:18:57 PM »
No one gives a fuck about children in Afghanistan.

We were in negotiation with the Taliban over an oil pipeline until they refused to hand over Bin Laden. Also the US trained the Muja Hadeen (sp?).

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« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2009, 04:47:45 PM »
'If We Now Kill Schoolgirls, You Shouldn't Be Surprised'

By Matthias Gebauer and Shoib Najafizada in Kunduz, Afghanistan

Responding to threats from the Taliban, at least 10 girls' schools have shut down near Kunduz in northern Afghanistan. Visiting the schools is a dangerous proposition -- a trip leading directly into the heart of Islamist territory.

When the deputy director of Aqtash High School talks of the government, he isn't referring to Hamid Karzai's central government in Kabul. Nor does he refer to the provincial administration in Kunduz. "The Taliban are our government," Bashir says. "They have taken over our region, their commanders give the orders here."

Bashir is standing in a dusty classroom on the ground floor of his modern school, roughly half an hour from Kunduz by car. As recently as just one month ago, he says, some 400 girls were still coming to the school in three daily shifts to learn reading, writing and arithmetic. Figures and formula are still scrawled across the blackboard.

But now, the girls' classrooms have been left to deteriorate. The desks and chairs are still laid out in neat rows, but a film of dust has collected, and Bashir stands helplessly in the middle of the room. "Parents in Aqtash are afraid to send their girls to school anymore, after the death threats," he explains. The school director speaks quietly and carefully. He too is afraid, and several of his teachers double as informants for the Taliban. The bearded fighters, he says, would certainly not like it if they knew a reporter was at the school in Aqtash. "You should leave quickly if you want to get out of Aqtash alive," he whispers.

'Apprehended and Killed'

Bashir's warning is hardly an exaggeration. Not 30 minutes after our arrival in Aqtash, located 15 kilometers northeast of Kunduz just off the main north-south arterial, a group of a dozen Taliban fighters, armed with AK-47s, gathers in front of the blue arch at the entrance to the school. "What do you want here?" one of the fighters calls. "This is our region, the Islamic Emirate of North Afghanistan."

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The trip to the Aqtash school is a trip into the heart of the empire of the Taliban, which controls large areas around Kunduz. Minutes pass before the fighters clear out of the way, allowing us to leave.

The trip out of Aqtash is hardly any less dangerous and provides a look at the situation not 15 kilometers from the German military camp in Kunduz. There are Taliban checkpoints all over the roads, and they are well armed. The Taliban commander in the region is a man named Khalid Salim. He is young and has a reputation for brutality. Salim is on the most wanted list for the region surrounding Kunduz. "Those who work for the government or for the Western soldiers," says one of his men at a checkpoint, "are immediately apprehended and killed."

The fate of the school in Aqtash, which received a new roof just one year ago, paid for out of German development funds, is hardly unique. At least 10 girls' sections of schools located near Kunduz have been closed down in the last three weeks after receiving threats from the Taliban. Parents simply stopped sending their children to school because of the danger. And the closures haven't just been in the region of Char Dara southwest of Kunduz, a well known Taliban hotspot. Schools in three other districts have likewise ceased operation.

No German Soldiers

It didn't take long for news of the school closures to reach the highest echelons of government in both Kabul and Berlin. Stories about schools buckling to the Taliban are exactly what they hoped to avoid. On the one hand, it shows that the Taliban is increasingly gaining the upper hand right outside the front gates of the German military camp in Kunduz. Neither the German army, the Bundeswehr, nor the local police force are effective against the Islamist extremists. At the most, they can temporarily dislodge the Taliban, but they then move on to terrorize other areas where there are no German soldiers.

Most of all, though, the closures threaten one of the few successes that the Germans have had in Afghanistan. It is an achievement that has been repeatedly trumpeted by those in favor of continued engagement; hardly a German politician has refrained from mentioning how encouraging it is to visit a girls' school in Afghanistan. Now, though, the schools -- just like in the south where recent acid attacks against school girls have hit the headlines -- have become a potent propaganda tool for the Taliban. Western troops, so goes the message, can't do anything to stop the Islamist fighters.

The tactics used by the Taliban are shockingly simple. Dozens of so-called "night letters," which are affixed to the doors of schools in the dead of night, are piled on Muqim Halimi's huge desk. Halimi is the commissioner of education for the Kunduz province and a crowd of men are waiting outside his office, most of them hoping to be able to bribe their way into good grades for their children. But when Halimi hears that a German reporter wants to talk about the closure of the girls' schools, he clears the room so he can talk undisturbed.

After confirming the closures, he reads aloud from the Taliban night letters, as simply formulated as they are explicit. "As of today," he reads from a message from Aqtash, "girls are no longer allowed to attend school." The letter is marked with a logo of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan -- in English, yet another indication of just how well organized the Taliban are in the German area of operation.

'If We Now Kill Schoolgirls...'

Another threat letter depicts a schoolgirl at the gallows. "We have warned you," reads the message. "If we now kill schoolgirls, you shouldn't be surprised."

Halimi is open in his description of the precarious situation the schools find themselves in. "There is no police there and even the army is afraid to go there," he says. "What should I do, as a civilian, against the Taliban?"

Alarmed about the reports, Afghan Interior Minister Hanif Atmar has rebuked the Kunduz police chief over the phone. The school closures, he says, are a "disgrace for Afghanistan," he says, demanding that something be done. But police chief Abdul Racak also doesn't know what to do. Last week he tried to send a police patrol to Aqtash, but they came under fire almost as soon as they turned off the main road. Two police officers were killed in the attack.

The reaction from the German camp in Kunduz is also a mixture of dismay and helplessness. The security situation is so poor at the moment that neither the military nor their civilian assistants can visit Aqtash themselves. Realistically, though, there isn't much they can do to combat the threats of the Taliban. There are some 650 schools in the region surrounding Kunduz and the German theater of operation is almost the size of the German state of Hesse or the US state of Massachusetts. With a German contingent of just 667 soldiers, security simply cannot be guaranteed.

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Reports about the closures of the girls' schools aren't the only indications that the Kunduz region is at risk. The German military has noted that the Taliban threats began at the exact same time as attacks against German soldiers began to increase in both number and sophistication. Since the end of April, 19 patrols have come under attack, with one soldier losing his life in an April 29 attack. So far in May there have been four well organized assaults with soldiers wary that the next one could come at any time. Nobody believes that the correlation between the school threats and the attacks is a coincidence.

The reaction to the threats has become almost routine in recent months. The Afghans, so goes the formula, have to use their army to establish security in threatened areas like Aqtash. The Germans have held talks with their Afghan partners in the hopes that they will launch an offensive in Aqtash. German troops will support the operation, but Afghan troops should be the ones at the front.

But it would surprise no one were further girls' schools to shut their doors by the time such an operation is launched.

Still, the news isn't all bad. At the girls' school in Qosh Tappeh, likewise near Kunduz, the school director, a veteran of the mujahedeen, took things into his own hands. When the Taliban showed up to his school for the second time to present their threats, he found a uniquely Afghan solution to the problem. He told his visitors that, when it comes to fighting to the death, he is much more experienced than they. Should they like to find out for sure, he offered, he would be happy to accommodate them.

His threat seemed to have worked. The girls in Qosh Tappeh continue to attend school.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,627004,00.html




Young, Muslim schoolgirls being killed = justified by the Koran.

YAWN YAWN YAWN....MORE AMERICAN PROPAGANDA...HOW MANY TIMES HAS IT BEEN REVEALED THAT THE TALIBAN IS AN AMERICAN CREATION... TALIBAN = CIA OP
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« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2009, 04:53:50 PM »
None.....ever...for any reason. Ur an idiot.
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« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2009, 04:55:04 PM »
YAWN YAWN YAWN....MORE AMERICAN PROPAGANDA...HOW MANY TIMES HAS IT BEEN REVEALED THAT THE TALIBAN IS AN AMERICAN CREATION... TALIBAN = CIA OP
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« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2009, 04:56:34 PM »
They're reptoids from Samson's ass.
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« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2009, 06:22:35 PM »
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Te Sea of Tranquility to be exact...
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« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2009, 06:23:35 PM »
They're reptoids from Samson's ass.

HH6 =  complete waste of US taxpayer money
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« Reply #12 on: May 27, 2009, 06:28:40 PM »
No one gives a fuck about children in Afghanistan.

We were in negotiation with the Taliban over an oil pipeline until they refused to hand over Bin Laden. Also the US trained the Muja Hadeen (sp?).

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« Reply #13 on: May 27, 2009, 06:44:38 PM »
No one gives a fuck about children in Afghanistan.

We were in negotiation with the Taliban over an oil pipeline until they refused to hand over Bin Laden. Also the US trained the Muja Hadeen (sp?).

Nice.

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Re: Taliban: "Don't be surprised if we start killing schoolgirls"
« Reply #14 on: May 28, 2009, 05:44:15 AM »
It just makes me laugh when PancakeFury posts something about the poor children in Afghanistan as an example of why Islam should be eliminated. It was a shithole before we involved them in a proxy war to fight the Soviet Union, the Taliban, Bin Laden, and 911. Every last one of them could die and our only concern would be how it affected the military industrial complex.

The worst possible thing that could happen for the US would be if the Taliban stopped making trouble. :)

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« Reply #15 on: May 28, 2009, 07:08:53 AM »


The worst possible thing that could happen for the US would be if the Taliban stopped making trouble. :)

Maybe that would be their best weapon of attack.   ;D

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« Reply #16 on: May 28, 2009, 07:26:08 AM »
It just makes me laugh when PancakeFury posts something about the poor children in Afghanistan as an example of why Islam should be eliminated. It was a shithole before we involved them in a proxy war to fight the Soviet Union, the Taliban, Bin Laden, and 911. Every last one of them could die and our only concern would be how it affected the military industrial complex.

The worst possible thing that could happen for the US would be if the Taliban stopped making trouble. :)

Then we would find another target. Chalmers Johnson, well known author of the Blowback Trilogy has noted that after the USSR the US tried frantically to find a replacement enemy to justify its military empire and spending.
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« Reply #17 on: May 28, 2009, 08:39:59 AM »
Then we would find another target. Chalmers Johnson, well known author of the Blowback Trilogy has noted that after the USSR the US tried frantically to find a replacement enemy to justify its military empire and spending.

So  20years + WTC + massive raise in world terror are nothing...sure pal...CT's are always more logical  ::)

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« Reply #18 on: May 28, 2009, 08:43:38 AM »
It just makes me laugh when PancakeFury posts something about the poor children in Afghanistan as an example of why Islam should be eliminated. It was a shithole before we involved them in a proxy war to fight the Soviet Union, the Taliban, Bin Laden, and 911. Every last one of them could die and our only concern would be how it affected the military industrial complex.

The worst possible thing that could happen for the US would be if the Taliban stopped making trouble. :)

Ahh, here's our favorite "doctor" telling me what I can and can't post about again. How very Muslim of you. Would you like me to start running through a list of proposed threads that I can post about, he-who-doesn't-work-out?

You've been pretty whiny lately. Stick another dick in your mouth and move on.

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« Reply #19 on: May 28, 2009, 08:48:08 AM »
So  20years + WTC + massive raise in world terror are nothing...sure pal...CT's are always more logical  ::)

I am not referring to any conspiracy theories. Blow Back is real and was coined by the CIA itself when they first overthrew the Iranian elected leader Mosaddeq. In the afteraction report they said 'we're going to get some blow back from this'.

The world terrorism is a result of decades of violent interventionism on the part of the US and allies.

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« Reply #20 on: May 28, 2009, 08:49:58 AM »
Yes, that's the ONLY reason. 

Can you explain why there are dozens upon dozens of terrorist attacks in countries where the US has no involvement? Or why these terrorist plots and attacks in Europe revolve around Muslims trying to establish Sharia Law. I'm sure their plans for an Islamic caliphate have a lot to do with US interventionism.

Another gem from our resident "academic".  :D

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« Reply #21 on: May 28, 2009, 08:54:11 AM »
Yes, that's the ONLY reason. 

Can you explain why there are dozens upon dozens of terrorist attacks in countries where the US has no involvement? Or why these terrorist plots and attacks in Europe revolve around Muslims trying to establish Sharia Law. I'm sure there plans for an Islamic caliphate have a lot to do with US interventionism.

Another gem from our resident "academic".  :D

It's not the only reason but a MAJOR reason. If you read well informed people on the subject who have studied American foreign policy for years, the conclusion is unavoidable. Why do you think so many Latin American countries hate the US?

I have said many times that it is the COMBINATION of Islam+Interventionism that creates the problem. Islam is an inherently violent religion, thus you pour fuel on the fire when you get muddled in Islamic countries' affairs. If left to their own devices most Muslims would turn on each other and kill each other, via Shia vs. Sunni, by occupying their lands we only serve as a catalyst for uniting these two factions and increasing our problems.
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« Reply #22 on: May 28, 2009, 08:57:11 AM »
It's not the only reason but a MAJOR reason. If you read well informed people on the subject who have studied American foreign policy for years, the conclusion is unavoidable. Why do you think so many Latin American countries hate the US?

I have said many times that it is the COMBINATION of Islam+Interventionism that creates the problem. Islam is an inherently violent religion, thus you pour fuel on the fire when you get muddled in Islamic countries' affairs. If left to their own devices most Muslims would turn on each other and kill each other, via Shia vs. Sunni, by occupying their lands we only serve as a catalyst for uniting these two factions and increasing our problems.

Nice back peddling. I know it's a reason. You tried to insinuate that it was the ONLY reason and got called on it so you're not now back tracking. Kudos on the attempted spin job, though.  :D

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« Reply #23 on: May 28, 2009, 09:05:08 AM »
Nice back peddling. I know it's a reason. You tried to insinuate that it was the ONLY reason and got called on it so you're not now back tracking. Kudos on the attempted spin job, though.  :D

I insinuated nothing of the sort but this board is filled with people that think it is a good think to hang out in the Gulf and Central Asia bombing people; all the evidence shows it is not.
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« Reply #24 on: May 28, 2009, 09:34:39 AM »
I am not referring to any conspiracy theories. Blow Back is real and was coined by the CIA itself when they first overthrew the Iranian elected leader Mosaddeq. In the afteraction report they said 'we're going to get some blow back from this'.

The world terrorism is a result of decades of violent interventionism on the part of the US and allies.


If it was true they wouldn't kill their own people so brutally and use terror and violent to hold power.
Stop living in fantasy land.